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[WesthillWanderersFC]

10 minutes ago, Millertime said:

yeah, what, 600 years ago?

We today are not responsible for that, grow up

History isn’t your strong point I assume.

Idiot 

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, Millertime said:

That £35 a week should, surely, be going to our own kids who live in squalor and never get a hot meal?

Or to house our homeless?

Once we sort our own problems then if there is anything left we can then think about inviting in, housing and paying young foreign men

You're missing the points I've made previously. 

There is more than enough money to go round. The problem is the greedy elites are hoarding it, to a point where it becomes nonsensical. We call ourselves a rich country and a developed nation but we've got people using food banks more than ever. The reason food bank usage is going up isn't because of migrants, its because of wealth disparity. Those in charge seek solely to preserve their own wealth, or the wealth of others, generally at the expense of those who need help the most. Capitalism is a system whereby inequality is a prerequisite, as this system we use reaches its latter stages, it becomes more and more farcical. 

Don't be angry at the migrant looking for £35 a week, be angry at the billionaires and corporations who contribute less than you or I to public funding. They are the real enemies. They always have been, and always will be.

 

[aberdeen1970]

Can any of them play left back? 

 

If so then they've got my vote. 

[maryhilldon]

7 hours ago, Ramandu said:

What joy it is to load up hat in the hope of reading some informative football chat, and instead to stumble across a third rate political argument instead! 

I'm sure it'll be fruitful and informative, as all these exchanges tend to be.

Has no one told you, there isn't any football to chat about?  Have a look again at the thread title. 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Ten Caat said:

They don't though. Those coming from the Middle East...come through Turkey. Which is considered safe. (I do realise there are around 3.5million refugees there and of course they cannot all stay there. So let's give Turkey a free pass. Depending on their next move...they either try to move on to Greek Islands, conveniently situated within 5 miles of the Turkish coast so easily accessed. Greece is certainly safe but they generally do not want to stay there..they want to get to the mainland and progress their journey through the Balkans. Any of the FYR countries are safe. Nope don't want to claim asylum there. Hungary maybe? Poland? Bulgaria or Romania? No thanks pal..we'll keep on moving. Austria surely. Beautiful country. Safe as houses. No thanks. On they press to Germany...that might work. Took in a million only  a few year back. Natives now bitterly regretting that decision. France? Nah...get to the Calais region. We can get on a boat there.

Those coming from Western and Central Africa. Now they generally land in Italy or Spain (for those who's boat journey goes tits up, Malta end up hoovering them up). Perfectly safe. Vast majority have no interest in staying in either. Another route march ensues, heading for the French border. Closed at times on the coastal route..the more adventurous head a few miles inland and over the lower Alpine passes. And on to Calais we go.

They're economic migrants no matter what you say

Again, why is this such an issue? Whether you believe they are economic migrants or not, migrants are not the root cause of the issues the UK deals with. 

The reason opportunity is so few and far between in the Middle East is because they've been blown to fucking pieces. By weapons its likely Britain has dealt. We're not even top 10 with regards to taking in refugees, but again, people think its a problem. 

 

It isn't. Its a non issue magnified by the media to cause division. Why do you think this week, the week its been confirmed that Britain is in its worst ever recession, the migrant story has been pulled out the bag? Its a distraction. Do not get angry at those eating the pie, get angry at those looking for the crumbs that fall off the table.

[aberdeen1970]

Can we move all Parklife's posts from the covid thread in here as well please? 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Millertime said:

There clearly isn't enough to go round when we have kids in our own country living in squalor and not getting a hot meal at all all day

My sister is a social worker and some of the stories of what she sees are horrific 

There is enough to go round, its simply being hoarded by the super wealthy. The amount of billionaires in Britain have increased over the last 10 years, whilst poverty has steadily risen. We need to go after these types and stop blaming the common man, the main issue that should unite everyone is the scourge of greed and corruption that dictates our nations politics. 

Social working is not for the faint hearted. One must think though, why are people the way they are? Largely its to do with socio-economic factors predetermined long before they were born. Often the worst social work cases are linked to abject poverty. Thats the way of it.

[Redforever86]

47 minutes ago, Millertime said:

There clearly isn't enough to go round when we have kids in our own country living in squalor and not getting a hot meal at all all day

My sister is a social worker and some of the stories of what she sees are horrific 

She should stop painting fucking portraits of you en.

[Simply Red]

58 minutes ago, Millertime said:

There clearly isn't enough to go round when we have kids in our own country living in squalor and not getting a hot meal at all all day

My sister is a social worker and some of the stories of what she sees are horrific 

 

Minkers shitting feral kids out knowing the rest of us will pick up the tab is morally wrong on their behalf and ours for facilitating it.

After the first kid, these scumbags should be given the contraceptive injection until they can prove they have the means to provide for anymore kids.

I used to suggest sterilisation but i was called a nazi, and female contraception has come on leaps and bounds since then.

If i couldnt afford a dog i wouldnt get one. Same should apply to folk having kids.

 

[Guest]

22 minutes ago, Simply Red said:

 

Minkers shitting feral kids out knowing the rest of us will pick up the tab is morally wrong on their behalf and ours for facilitating it.

After the first kid, these scumbags should be given the contraceptive injection until they can prove they have the means to provide for anymore kids.

I used to suggest sterilisation but i was called a nazi, and female contraception has come on leaps and bounds since then.

If i couldnt afford a dog i wouldnt get one. Same should apply to folk having kids.

 

So poor people shouldn't have kids? 
 

Wouldn't it be better to build a more equal society with shared wealth thats better for everyone, than to not allow certain economic classes to procreate? Just a thought. 
 

Again, what you've said there is purely anecdotal. Whilst some people do bring kids into the world when they really shouldn't, how is that the child's fault? 
 

Kids are getting Victorian diseases in certain parts of the UK atm, very easily stopped with the correct funding to local councils, a robust welfare system and a job market that accounts for the cost of living. 

None of these things apply however, but again, you're angry at the wrong people. It's a great distraction to blame 'lower class' people for economical strain, when in actuality, it's the people furthest down the economic ladder who get shafted by recessions and austerity the most. 
 

 

[Ramandu]

2 hours ago, maryhilldon said:

Has no one told you, there isn't any football to chat about?  Have a look again at the thread title. 

Thanks Maryhilldon, I was optimistically hoping for some football chat, even in the current circumstances. Instead we get the Yes-ers saying "ScotGov good UKGov evil" and the No-ers saying "Sturgeon is the devil".

And one shouts, and the other shouts, and we all die a little inside.

 

[daytripping]

Weird how the left view themselves as above others who don't hold their viewpoint, always quick with insults as well though none get returned, it must be tough being so angry all the time and constantly berating anyone who dares challenge their opinion. Perhaps just calm down a little and debate your point would be my suggestion.

[Simply Red]

1 hour ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said:

So poor people shouldn't have kids? 

Au contraire - they should be allowed 1x kid on the welfare state. 

Im not talking about parents on minimum wage. Im talking about the underclass on no wage. If you dont have a penny to your name, youve put nothing into the system, you have no intention of ever working, fine, your choice, have 1x kid. No more. I think thats fair.

Wouldn't it be better to build a more equal society with shared wealth thats better for everyone, than to not allow certain economic classes to procreate? Just a thought. 
 

Lovely socialist ideal and i wouldve agreed with you as a teenager. Unfortunately capitalism prevails and always will so there will always be a status quo.

If you cant afford to bring up the 1 kid you already have and rely on the welfare state to do it for you, im suggesting the state says no more unless you plan on contributing.

Again, what you've said there is purely anecdotal. Whilst some people do bring kids into the world when they really shouldn't, how is that the child's fault? 

I never mentioned anything being the childs fault. Far from it. 

Not sure what Victorian diseases kids are getting thesedays which can be fixed very easily by the state? As a parent i take full responsibility for the welfare of my son, i dont see it as the states responsibility. I find it bizarre that you do (kids in care being the exception)

I’ll wager from your idealist post that youve never actually spent any time, let alone lived in a deprived area to see the scumbags im talking about? And theres millions of them. Junkie mums who repeatedly shit out kids straight into care - whats yir solution there? 

 

1 hour ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said:

 

 

1 hour ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said:

Kids are getting Victorian diseases in certain parts of the UK atm, very easily stopped with the correct funding to local councils, a robust welfare system and a job market that accounts for the cost of living. 

None of these things apply however, but again, you're angry at the wrong people. It's a great distraction to blame 'lower class' people for economical strain, when in actuality, it's the people furthest down the economic ladder who get shafted by recessions and austerity the most. 
 

 

 

[Simply Red]

1 hour ago, daytripping said:

Weird how the left view themselves as above others who don't hold their viewpoint, always quick with insults as well though none get returned, it must be tough being so angry all the time and constantly berating anyone who dares challenge their opinion. Perhaps just calm down a little and debate your point would be my suggestion.

Is that what Craig Hignett said to you that night at Arbroath?

[daytripping]

22 minutes ago, Simply Red said:

Is that what Craig Hignett said to you that night at Arbroath?

It wasn't Craig and it wasn't at night.

[maryhilldon]

1 hour ago, Simply Red said:

 

 

 

? Consi argueing against his own points in the space of a few hours.  Are poor folk scum, or victims?  He can't decide. 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Simply Red said:

 

 

 

On the contrary, lived in Stobby in Dundee for years, it's viewed as one of these places, but actually a class place to live. 
 

Capitalism always prevails in countries which allow it to do so, we're at a point now where it's becoming less and less useful, much of what was given to the boomer generation and even my parents generation has been turfed out and millennials have been left with fuck all. Capitalism only benefits the rich. Everyone else is either paying the mortgage of some cunt via rent, or working to increase profit for some cunt who's probably got more money than sense. 
 

It is incumbent on parents to look after their children, and people should definitely only have kids if they are able to provide, but that's just not the way of the world. Kids are constantly born in impoverished places and through no fault of their own have to grow up in squalor and contempt from both the state and the upper classes. Surely any society worth it's salt should be going more to bridge wealth gaps so that no kid born from a "mink family" has to go unfed? 
 

It's only viewed as a pie in the sky ideal because of what we're told, I'm not even suggesting a violent overhaul of the current system, what I'm saying is there's enough wealth to go round for everyone, and being angry at "minks" or migrants is wrong. It should be aristocrats, most politicians and toffs. 
 

You're closer to being on welfare or on a dinghy than you are to being a billionaire or millionaire. I think that's something people often forget. 

[Simply Red]

An abortion of a read eh. 

The quote function got really wonky.

I’ll italic my response next time.

Im working class. Im glad theres a welfare system to help those worse off. Its unfortunate we cant help those folk more. 

Theres also a whole underclass of absolute fucking minkers who chose to accept zero responsibility for anything in their lives, including their kids. I dont think we deal with that adequately. The kids and the welfare system are the losers in that.

Having kids should be seen as a privilege which comes with responsibilities, not simply a biological right to be passed onto the state to deal with.

 

[Guest]

33 minutes ago, maryhilldon said:

? Consi argueing against his own points in the space of a few hours.  Are poor folk scum, or victims?  He can't decide. 

The disparaging comments made in there were all by Simply Red. 
 

I think he fucked up the quote function when responding. 
 

Good attempt at spelling "arguing" though. Really close. 

[Guest]

3 hours ago, daytripping said:

Weird how the left view themselves as above others who don't hold their viewpoint, always quick with insults as well though none get returned, it must be tough being so angry all the time and constantly berating anyone who dares challenge their opinion. Perhaps just calm down a little and debate your point would be my suggestion.

I'm literally debating my point all over the shop. 
 

I do love when a bonafide right winger comes out with this stuff, about the left being nasty or whatever. 

I'm intolerant of your intolerance. Some of the shit you've said re migrants/asylum seekers etc etc is facist rhetoric. Hitler called the Jews "rats", as I'm sure you're aware. 
 

The reality is you don't appear to have the ability to back up your bigoted views with any substance, merely anecdotal "evidence" that just makes you look even more daft. 
 

You talk about the left being angry all the time but you're the one getting fuming about a tiny percentage of people risking their lives to get to the UK in a fuckin blow up raft? 
 

You've provided fuck all substance to the conversation or debate, and now you're trying to say your "opinion" that migrants are "rats" isn't worthy of utter contempt and criticism from myself. 
 

That's not a valid opinion. That's a stupid opinion. Not every opinion is valid. Especially ones based solely on prejudice and bigotry. 
 

If you find yourself arguing with people like minded with me, and often find yourself being insulted, it's probably because they are being intolerant of your own intolerance. 
 

"You've not debated your point" 

 

can you read?

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, Simply Red said:

An abortion of a read eh. 

The quote function got really wonky.

I’ll italic my response next time.

Im working class. Im glad theres a welfare system to help those worse off. Its unfortunate we cant help those folk more. 

Theres also a whole underclass of absolute fucking minkers who chose to accept zero responsibility for anything in their lives, including their kids. I dont think we deal with that adequately. The kids and the welfare system are the losers in that.

Having kids should be seen as a privilege which comes with responsibilities, not simply a biological right to be passed onto the state to deal with.

 

That's when you start getting into eugenics. That's when things get ugly. 
 

Point is, people, regardless or class or who their parents are, should not be let down by society in the ways we've spoken about. 
 

What is a society if it can't look after those who need it most? 

[Simply Red]

46 minutes ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said:

 

What is a society if it can't look after those who need it most? 

You're missing the point.

Feral parents having feral kids on repeat, is taking valuable resources away from the old folk, disabled people, hardworking poor families, immigrants. 

 

 

[Guest]

19 minutes ago, Simply Red said:

You're missing the point.

Feral parents having feral kids on repeat, is taking valuable resources away from the old folk, disabled people, hardworking poor families, immigrants. 

 

 

No, these people will always have kids. Its immoral to deny them that right whether you think it is or not. 

My point is theres more than enough wealth to go round. 

The accumulative wealth of the 1%  of the richest people in the world is more than the other 99%. 

The resources to ensure everyone can lead a half decent life, whether they are to your taste or not, are undoubtedly there. 

 

 

[maryhilldon]

1 hour ago, Simply Red said:

You're missing the point.

Feral parents having feral kids on repeat, is taking valuable resources away from the old folk, disabled people, hardworking poor families, immigrants. 

 

 

What if the old folk are disabled immigrants,  but also feral parents?  Do they cancel each other out? 

[For Fecks Sake]

7 hours ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said:

No, these people will always have kids. Its immoral to deny them that right whether you think it is or not. 

My point is theres more than enough wealth to go round. 

The accumulative wealth of the 1%  of the richest people in the world is more than the other 99%. 

The resources to ensure everyone can lead a half decent life, whether they are to your taste or not, are undoubtedly there. 

 

 

How do you go about redistributing the wealth though?  Cannot pass a law that says we will take 90% of someone's wealth.

Raise taxes? That will only affect new earnings and have no effect on gained wealth.

Throughout modern history the 1% have always been the richest and I cannot see that ever changing.

A universal basic income looks a decent approach however that won't stop scummy minks being scummy minks unfortunately.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, For Fecks Sake said:

How do you go about redistributing the wealth though?  Cannot pass a law that says we will take 90% of someone's wealth.

Raise taxes? That will only affect new earnings and have no effect on gained wealth.

Throughout modern history the 1% have always been the richest and I cannot see that ever changing.

A universal basic income looks a decent approach however that won't stop scummy minks being scummy minks unfortunately.

I'm of the opinion that you go after big corporations who point blank refuse to pay tax in this country. 
 

Also, anyone found to be burrowing away potential tax money in offshore havens should face the wrath of the people, be ordered to pay it back and should receive plenty fines, all of which would go back into the public purse. 
 

I would ban 0/8 hour contracts as well and introduce a living wage. The amount of working poor in this country is a joke (I know, I've been there before.) 

 

And yes, I'm a huge fan of a UBI. My personal belief is that about £1,000 per month should suffice. You'll always get the argument that it'll make some people not work, but even then, £12,000 a year isn't easy to live off of, especially when you consider how much it actually costs to live these days. Even then, that would be up to the individual, but for most people it would be a healthy chunk of change in addition to their wages. 

[For Fecks Sake]

£1k a month is pie in the sky talk, how the hell could an independent Scotland (which is what we need to be in order to introduce a UBI) afford to shoulder that ?

[Redforever86]

4 hours ago, For Fecks Sake said:

£1k a month is pie in the sky talk, how the hell could an independent Scotland (which is what we need to be in order to introduce a UBI) afford to shoulder that ?

Immigration fuelled growth.

[Guest]

6 hours ago, For Fecks Sake said:

£1k a month is pie in the sky talk, how the hell could an independent Scotland (which is what we need to be in order to introduce a UBI) afford to shoulder that ?

That matter is up for debate, I do believe in a universal income, however, and it is achievable for sure, in some way.

[For Fecks Sake]

7 hours ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said:

That matter is up for debate, I do believe in a universal income, however, and it is achievable for sure, in some way.

You can just hear the shouts and arguements of "why should some millionaire living in Rubislaw get the same UBI as me".

Perhaps an opt out option would also be considered for people where the cash could go to a charity instead.

Either way it's not going to happen for a while so we better get used to the system we have unfortunately.