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Karl Fletcher

Scotland Votes 'no' To Independence

  

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  1. 1. Yes or No?



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I will vote yes. I don't see why we should govern our own country.

 

I predict some decent posts in this thread from both sides.........probably by 3 spams and Jonty (I think)

 

others will simply call the leader of any politician party a cunt for no reason other than erm.............they have none

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No, answer would be different if it was a north of scotland independence vote, the burden of the west coast socialists would be too much. At least at the moment we share that burden with the SE of England.

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Aye what positives is a yes vote going to bring? Do we start debt free? Will we still pay tax to the crown? will vat still be 20% - will we have our own services i.e. rail, air and sea?

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Can someone tell me why voting yes is a good idea?

 

Genuine question.

 

I've not looked at all the facts and figures yet however my current feeling is that we could go it alone. That may change when I see the facts in black and white.

 

I've no idea what an independent Scotland would be like, but I'd like to find out (as things stand).

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Aye what positives is a yes vote going to bring? Do we start debt free? Will we still pay tax to the crown? will vat still be 20% - will we have our own services i.e. rail, air and sea?

 

So much questions need to be addressed,currency, border checks, passports, EU, state pensions, NHS, shares services, army, embassies, tax, benefits and so on.

 

 

Can we really be self-sufficient ?

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No, answer would be different if it was a north of scotland independence vote, the burden of the west coast socialists would be too much. At least at the moment we share that burden with the SE of England.

 

Agreed. I would class myself as a bit middle of the road and Scotland would ultimately end up being far too left leaning for my liking. Certain areas of the country are propped up by a public sector, more so than the UK average. 24% of employment in Scotland is public sector compared to 19.2% in the UK. That leaves a funding gap straight away. As I said in my previous post, I'm open to listen to campaign arguments, but from this perspective, all I see is higher taxes and more socialism.

 

I've not looked at all the facts and figures yet however my current feeling is that we could go it alone. That may change when I see the facts in black and white.

 

I've no idea what an independent Scotland would be like, but I'd like to find out (as things stand).

 

A view that will be held by a few I think, which is worrying. Any change is not necessarilly good change.

 

Teh question should be would you rather be governed by wankers from London, or wankers from Glasgow.

 

Pretty much really. I guess the government will be Holyrood based, but MPs will be largely comprised of central belters.

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So much questions need to be addressed,currency, border checks, passports, EU, state pensions, NHS, shares services, army, embassies, tax, benefits and so on.

 

 

Can we really be self-sufficient ?

 

I really dont think we can, theres no way that they would let us go without taking a huge chunk of the UK debt! .

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I recall one thing being said that pissed me off, it was a good while back and it's stuck with me.

 

It was said that there would be a council tax type thing but you pay for it based on as much as you earn (the workers, us).

 

The people who live in luxury castles etc, sitting on millions - it can't be worked out how much they earn, so they are forgotten about (they'll pay fuck all).

 

The scum will never work, so they'll pay fuck all.

 

So us, the workers are paying for the millionaires and the scum just because we work.

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I recall one thing being said that pissed me off, it was a good while back and it's stuck with me.

 

It was said that there would be a council tax type thing but you pay for it based on as much as you earn (the workers, us).

 

The people who live in luxury castles etc, sitting on millions - it can't be worked out how much they earn, so they are forgotten about (they'll pay fuck all).

 

The scum will never work, so they'll pay fuck all.

 

So us, the workers are paying for the millionaires and the scum just because we work.

 

I've never heard anything like the above being said

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why not?

 

By all accounts, the sheer number of people on benefits in the West Coast would almost instantly bankrupt an Independent Scotland.

 

You obviously think we can.

 

Where do you see the continual revenue and income coming from ? Almost a given that taxes would have to be higher.

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The people who live in luxury castles etc, sitting on millions - it can't be worked out how much they earn, so they are forgotten about (they'll pay fuck all).

 

I think they prepare tax returns like the rest of us. :laughing:

 

why not?

 

I'm not sure. My gut instinct is that we could, but it will be us that ultimately end up paying more to do so. Waiting to see what the respective campaigns come up with on it.

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By all accounts, the sheer number of people on benefits in the West Coast would almost instantly bankrupt an Independent Scotland.

 

You obviously think we can.

 

Where do you see the continual revenue and income coming from ? Almost a given that taxes would have to be higher.

 

hold yer horses EPK. I am a yes voter but only just, I want to see facts too. If the taxes are slightly higher but it improved the country, would you be happy with that?

 

Are you sure its as simple as saying that west coast benefits would bankrupt us? where do you get these figures from?

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Can we really be self-sufficient ?

 

i'm sure we can in the same was as finland and belarussia are self sufficient, and other monkey countries.

 

living in the UK is good. the standard of living is good.

 

i simply cant imagine independance would improve on the current situation.

 

however in this facebook generation voting for independence is 'cool'

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Any change is not necessarilly good change.

 

 

 

 

I attended a debate on the Economics of Independance at The Scotsman offices, with John Swinney, Alistair Darling, and a number of political experts from the media and the Uni's, it was very interesting, and one of the main comclusions was that, it is very unlikely that there would be any major impact of becoming independant. Particulalry the leading Professor from London held this view, he stated that there would be some major changes and this would have significant short term effects, but he vey much doubted that in 10 years we would be in a different place depending on what way we vote.

 

The other very interesting point to come out of it, was that we all wonder why none of the questions have been properly answered from what currency we will use, what Central Bank, what will happen with the army, how will the national debt be apportioned etc The reason is, no-one knows the answers, because none of these discussions have taken place, for example, the question of currency, the British government may discuss the possibility of Sterling being retained by Scotland, but given the time that would be required going through such a proposal, they have no intention of discussing it any detail when it may not be an issue. Just to implement a currency change could take 3-5 years, so these issues are not just a case of the SNP having a meeting and taking a show of hands to draw up their proposals.

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i'm sure we can in the same was as finland and belarussia are self sufficient, and other monkey countries.

 

living in the UK is good. the standard of living is good.

 

i simply cant imagine independance would improve on the current situation.

 

however in this facebook generation voting for independence is 'cool'

 

 

This.

 

Moreover, 16 year old's are allowed to vote in this, which will probably drive the Yes vote up considerably!

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By all accounts, the sheer number of people on benefits in the West Coast would almost instantly bankrupt an Independent Scotland.

You obviously think we can.

 

Where do you see the continual revenue and income coming from ? Almost a given that taxes would have to be higher.

 

 

Wouldn't be surprised. Surely the number 1 drawback is being even more associated with those clowns.

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I've never heard anything like the above being said

 

It was before the last election, it was something that stuck with me - it however never got Westminister approval as it required that...however it pissed me off that this was the thinking.

 

I'm sure it'll be on Google somewhere.

 

I'm not doubting my ears, nor the guy I just spoke to at work about it (wanted clarification) - as he's into his politics.

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hold yer horses EPK. I am a yes voter but only just, I want to see facts too. If the taxes are slightly higher but it improved the country, would you be happy with that?

 

Are you sure its as simple as saying that west coast benefits would bankrupt us? where do you get these figures from?

 

I do not pay UK tax, I already pay a higher tax level to Norway, so have first hand experience at seeing what a higher tax brings, same as Denmark, and of course these countries standard of living / life is at the top of the list.

 

However, I believe there is so many morally corrupt people in this country, that if a rise in taxes was a voting point, then so many would bite there nose off in spite of there face, and vote no thinking more taxes mean less income, regardless of the bigger picture.

 

 

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Think people waiting for 'hard facts' are going to be disappointed. The referendum isn't a case of voting for the SNP's vision of Scotland (it's for an elected government to make those choices and who's to say they'll be in government if we became independent?), and any agreements about how services or budgets are shared or divvied up between Scotland and the UK won't be discussed in much detail until after a referendum takes place. It's simply a case of whether you think we can run our own affairs - Comparing the Scottish Parliament to Westminster, I'd say we can. (But it'll rely on the current opposition parties not being petty dickheads if a 'yes' vote comes to pass.)

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I'm voting no and when the day comes think vast majority of folks will do the same.

 

SNP cant even answer whether we will have to reapply to join the EU and therefore whether we will be forced to join the Single currency. When something as fundemental as that is unknown then why should people take the risk?

 

And thats before even getting started on the drain on the rest of Scotland from the West of Scotlands dependence on benefits and Public Sector jobs.

 

Ask a Grampian Policeman what he thinks of the police force being merged into a single national force? (to be headed by the current head of Strathclyde Police force btw). Just another in a long line of examples of the Central Belt taking jobs / expenditure at the expense of hard working people up here.

 

The North East of Scotland hs been the big loser in terms of Scottish Executive cash and investement since devolution, surprised most people on here dont seem to realise that...

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