Parklife Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 10 minutes ago, strachanmcgheegoal said: 3rd. Foolish to say otherwise. 3rd + decent cup showing + decent Europe showing I could cope with. I can cope with finishing 3rd if 3rd is not the limit of our ambition. 2 Link to comment
Tord31 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 41 minutes ago, Parklife said: I can cope with finishing 3rd if 3rd is not the limit of our ambition. It was a huge 3 points to go for last night. We were a theoretical 4 behind Celtic and 9 behind the Huns going in to the match and we had a run of 8 matches without playing celtic, rangers or hibs. We had, and still do arguably, a chance to keep in touch with the top two. It's a big disappointment. It's been discussed plenty before that it could be an interesting season to be 5-10 points behind the top two with ten games to go because there is every chance one team has a full on meltdown in the last month of the season if they are not going to win the league. Link to comment
dj_bollocks Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Parklife said: He's been in charge for 7 years. He's got the biggest budget in our history. He's built this squad. He's been supported to bring in further players when we've been hit by injuries. What's the point in it all if the aim is to be 3rd and never, ever hope to do better? What exactly are we building for? But the massive issue here is that for many (way too many) of our fans that's enough. "Be careful what you wish for...", "Don't you remember McGhee ?" Fucking losers the lot of 'em... Like Tories still blaming Labour for the financial crash of 2008 to cover their own inadequacies. Change is needed... Whether that's before his contract ends in 22 or not... Change will need to be well managed if he's not getting a contract extension. I've said on another thread, if he gets his full term he should be Craig Browned at the split... But I suspect if he fails to qualify for whatever the 3rd tier European contest we'll no doubt end up in, an early League Cup exit and/or poor League run early next summer/autumn and the right man becomes available, Cormack won't be that sentimental. If anything this Covid affected season/year and the debt we've accrued makes it even more essential that we have some extra European funds coming in to cover the debt. Failure to achieve that (again) and you'd find it hard to argue against giving someone else a go. (And as others have mentioned maybe someone with a bit of European pedigree)... Link to comment
Ten Caat Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 I'm just glad it's the League Cup up next. I realise where they are sitting in the league, but they are a far better side than Hamilton are. We are definitely no certainties to progress. The only positive from the last week is that despite us suffering a predictable horsing at Ibrox and a shitshow at Hamilton, Hibs, despite having 2 home games in that same timeframe, still find themselves behind us in the league. After St Mirren, we at least get McCrorie, Ferguson and McLennan back (although our luck with injuries over the past 2 years is such that it would be no surprise if we then lose a couple of defenders for a few weeks). Link to comment
YorkDon Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Parklife said: He's been in charge for 7 years. He's got the biggest budget in our history. He's built this squad. He's been supported to bring in further players when we've been hit by injuries. What's the point in it all if the aim is to be 3rd and never, ever hope to do better? What exactly are we building for? I don’t disagree with any of that Parkie, but his brief when he took over, would have been, please bring us some respectability Derek, and if you can nip a cup along the way, you’ll go down as an Aberdeen legend. You only need to look at what the pundits come out with when we voice our unhappiness at the eye bleeding football, and failure to beat the teams we should beat. What do they expect?The man’s brought them their first trophy in years etc etc. The fans ambitions will always be far loftier than the clubs. Even if we did go on a mad run and were seriously challenging, or suddenly attracted an oligarch, or Chinese billionaire, the establishment would do everything it could to make sure we didn’t upset the status quo. It’s all set up for those two horrible excuses for clubs to prosper domestically, then when they fail in European competition, the rest of us get blamed for not giving them enough of a challenge. If you ever watch them in Europe, the pundits (always an ex player for them) blames the rest of the league for them failing at that level. It must be boring to be a fan of the arse cheeks, lording it over the other lot when you are winning, then foaming at the mouth when it’s your turn to be second. Link to comment
sooth_stander Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 17 minutes ago, YorkDon said: I don’t disagree with any of that Parkie, but his brief when he took over, would have been, please bring us some respectability Derek, and if you can nip a cup along the way, you’ll go down as an Aberdeen legend. You only need to look at what the pundits come out with when we voice our unhappiness at the eye bleeding football, and failure to beat the teams we should beat. What do they expect?The man’s brought them their first trophy in years etc etc. The fans ambitions will always be far loftier than the clubs. Even if we did go on a mad run and were seriously challenging, or suddenly attracted an oligarch, or Chinese billionaire, the establishment would do everything it could to make sure we didn’t upset the status quo. It’s all set up for those two horrible excuses for clubs to prosper domestically, then when they fail in European competition, the rest of us get blamed for not giving them enough of a challenge. If you ever watch them in Europe, the pundits (always an ex player for them) blames the rest of the league for them failing at that level. It must be boring to be a fan of the arse cheeks, lording it over the other lot when you are winning, then foaming at the mouth when it’s your turn to be second. Good post, Yorkie. With the finances McInnes has been given this season, and with how Shite Celtic are, we should be in 2nd place and on the coattails of Sevco. Link to comment
afc_blockhead Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 3 hours ago, Parklife said: He's been in charge for 7 years. He's got the biggest budget in our history. He's built this squad. He's been supported to bring in further players when we've been hit by injuries. What's the point in it all if the aim is to be 3rd and never, ever hope to do better? What exactly are we building for? Truth in some of your comments but this was in horseshit. Bigger budget than the Aitken days for example when we spent millions on transfers alone? Link to comment
Parklife Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 30 minutes ago, afc_blockhead said: Truth in some of your comments but this was in horseshit. Bigger budget than the Aitken days for example when we spent millions on transfers alone? Am I wrong we're operating at record turnover levels? While not equivalent to budget, it's a decent barometer of what our budget will be IMO. Can you demonstrate why it's "horseshit"? Link to comment
Matt Armstrong's Dog Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 1 hour ago, YorkDon said: I don’t disagree with any of that Parkie, but his brief when he took over, would have been, please bring us some respectability Derek, and if you can nip a cup along the way, you’ll go down as an Aberdeen legend. You only need to look at what the pundits come out with when we voice our unhappiness at the eye bleeding football, and failure to beat the teams we should beat. What do they expect?The man’s brought them their first trophy in years etc etc. The fans ambitions will always be far loftier than the clubs. Even if we did go on a mad run and were seriously challenging, or suddenly attracted an oligarch, or Chinese billionaire, the establishment would do everything it could to make sure we didn’t upset the status quo. It’s all set up for those two horrible excuses for clubs to prosper domestically, then when they fail in European competition, the rest of us get blamed for not giving them enough of a challenge. If you ever watch them in Europe, the pundits (always an ex player for them) blames the rest of the league for them failing at that level. It must be boring to be a fan of the arse cheeks, lording it over the other lot when you are winning, then foaming at the mouth when it’s your turn to be second. Excellent post. Their recent implementations of Covid 19 protocols for Scotland's Under 21s left a lot to be desired, on the eve of a hugely important match at Ibrox. Very coincidental. Just saying like. Link to comment
Parklife Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 36 minutes ago, rocket_scientist said: Turnover is not relevant to the question of who had the biggest budget. The only thing that matters in any dispute like this is; who had the biggest budget? There can be index linking of course, both on monetary values and market differences e.g. average wages then and now. I'd disagree that it's not relevant. I agree it's not the same as budget though. I did look for accounts info online but couldn't see anything that far back. I should've previously said "one of the biggest budgets", which I think most would agree with. Link to comment
shooftahmooftah Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 5 hours ago, Parklife said: He's been in charge for 7 years. He's got the biggest budget in our history. He's built this squad. He's been supported to bring in further players when we've been hit by injuries. What's the point in it all if the aim is to be 3rd and never, ever hope to do better? What exactly are we building for? Biggest budget, and signed mostly zimmer drivers. [ Cormack do you have a replacement in mind who isn’t attracted to hopalong Cassidys. ) Link to comment
Guest Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 His interview last night is still quite remarkable. It sums up his own mentality, and the mentality of his players. It was a shit result, we had more than enough talent out there to beat fodder cunts like Accies. It's when he says "we played well, but then we conceded a goal from a set piece" Aye, Derek. That's how it fuckin works. What's important is the reaction, and it wasn't there. Link to comment
aberdeen1970 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Aye. Plus, waiting to the 77th minute to make changes when we were clearly struggling to get the upper hand after the equaliser was a waste of almost half an hour. Link to comment
strachanmcgheegoal Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Gary Holt walks. 10th and 1 pt in 5 games not good enough. Just saying.... Link to comment
Ten Caat Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 9 minutes ago, strachanmcgheegoal said: Gary Holt walks. 10th and 1 pt in 5 games not good enough. Just saying.... I think it is Livi who will ultimately fall through the relegation trapdoor automatically. For that reason Holt has probably made the wise decision to get out before his managerial reputation took the inevitable hit that leading a side to relegation automatically brings. As an aside...…….I don't get the hate for Hamilton Accies that many of our support have who don't have the same hatred for Livingston. Both have shite pitches but to my mind Hamilton have a far more sustainable model than Livi. Hamilton are always nurturing young local talent (and talent that has either been ignored by the arse cheeks or even been let go by them at a very young age written off as not good enough) and selling that talent on for decent fees. Livi in the main just sign lower league dross, although admittedly they did take a punt on Dykes that paid off handsomely. Link to comment
DD1903 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 30 minutes ago, strachanmcgheegoal said: Gary Holt walks. 10th and 1 pt in 5 games not good enough. Just saying.... The assistant manager at Livi is a bad egg - wasn't Holt's choice and is only in that position as he's fired a lot of money into livi. Boy is a ned Link to comment
ericblack4boss Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Holt himself said managers need to know when Thier time is up, and good on him for deciding his is now, Take note, the sleekit cunt Link to comment
WesthillWanderersFC Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 12 minutes ago, ericblack4boss said: Holt himself said managers need to know when Thier time is up, and good on him for deciding his is now, Take note, the sleekit cunt Would you walk away from a £500k per annum contract? Link to comment
sooth_stander Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 1 hour ago, DD1903 said: The assistant manager at Livi is a bad egg - wasn't Holt's choice and is only in that position as he's fired a lot of money into livi. Boy is a ned David Martindale, jailed in 2006 for his part in a coke smuggling ring. Link to comment
dj_bollocks Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 The previous discussion about budgets... Would love to know where our budget and turnover sat compared to some of the clubs that qualified for Europa League... I suspect a few surprises there... Link to comment
fine-n-dandy Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Results like last night are exactly the reason we are easily challenged (& even bettered) by the likes of Killie & Motherwell etc. for the spectacular (in McInnes’s view) 3rd place. seeing positives in another pathetic draw/loss to a shitey bottom dwelling team that had amassed the grand total of ONE point at home this season & only beaten one lower division side there in cup (just) is pathetic for any manager of Aberdeen (past or present) so for anyone (especially our new chairman) to find this attitude acceptable is pathetic & submissive & weak. Not to mention being an enabler for said manager. Even the home win where we should have horsed them for full 90 mins & ended up getting more than a little unsettled by them in second half. we have averaged +1 gd to a side that has an average of -3 gd in the league & is easily the worst side in the league & McInnes see’s positivity in this. He thinks their ground is a tough venue to go to when all but Utd have taken maximum points there this season so far. If nothing else Cormack had better have a word with McInnes about his attitude towards opposing sides (good & bad) because if that’s the pish he comes away with publicly then can only imagine the shite he feeds the players. Link to comment
ABERDEENROWIE1903 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 7 hours ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said: His interview last night is still quite remarkable. It sums up his own mentality, and the mentality of his players. It was a shit result, we had more than enough talent out there to beat fodder cunts like Accies. It's when he says "we played well, but then we conceded a goal from a set piece" Aye, Derek. That's how it fuckin works. What's important is the reaction, and it wasn't there. Link to comment
ABERDEENROWIE1903 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Fastest escape from RedTV interview ever off like shot Pity the players where not as quick on the pitch Link to comment
fine-n-dandy Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Was a 100% foul by Hoban as well so even that excuse is pathetic if it wasn’t deemed as such in itself without the actual facts of it being a foul. Desperation for excuses even before the mythical offside also. you fkd the team at HT boss. Plain & simple. As usual you sent them out shitting it & to be extra cautious of a spirited accies fight back. The mans a shitebag with no killer instinct & shows ALL opposition (not just the arse cheeks) far too much fear/respect. His whole attitude sucks & is clearly brainwashed into the players a lot of the time & this is why he has 100% had his time & will never achieve anything more of note with us other than his glorious penalty shoot out victory over ICT. Just leave McInnes, prove to us all how nobody else can do better than you & better the devil you know etc. etc. 1 Link to comment
elephantstone78 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 I can only guess his logic is that he knows the current depleted side are no great shakes but publicly criticising them will not help as he needs them to keep whatever fragment of confidence they possess for Saturday eve. When it’s attitude not ability that are to blame for a poor performance then you are more likely to see a different post match viewpoint expressed. put simply, he knows they’re shite not lazy and ripping into them will do no good. hopefully scrape a win tomorrow then bench as many of the duds as possible and move on Link to comment
afc_blockhead Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 On 11/26/2020 at 11:26 AM, Parklife said: Am I wrong we're operating at record turnover levels? While not equivalent to budget, it's a decent barometer of what our budget will be IMO. Can you demonstrate why it's "horseshit"? Its horseshit as Miller / Aitken / Alex Miller and even Skovdahl spent millions more than Mcinnes with bigger wage budgets too. Thats why .. Link to comment
Parklife Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 9 minutes ago, afc_blockhead said: Its horseshit as Miller / Aitken / Alex Miller and even Skovdahl spent millions more than Mcinnes with bigger wage budgets too. Thats why .. Did they? Can you show me that please? Link to comment
aberdeen1970 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 Yep. In relative terms those managers were paying pretty hefty transfer fees by today's standards at Aberdeen (Hernandez excepted) We paid £650k PLUS Billy Dodds for Winters. I still shake my heid at that one even today. We spent a million on Paul Bernard. And that's just the two most high profile ones. And that was 25 years ago. Link to comment
strachanmcgheegoal Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 Brian O’Neil. O ma days. Link to comment
aberdeen1970 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, strachanmcgheegoal said: Brian O’Neil. O ma days. Aye that was about 600k? Link to comment
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