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34 minutes ago, strachanmcgheegoal said:

^^^totally worth it

I think so. It was important to finish above them those first two seasons.

It was important to win that first game.

It was great to win the first two cup ties

It was great to end the ibrox hoodoo with three victories

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On 10/3/2020 at 1:47 AM, rocket_scientist said:

I can't see anything other than downhill from here. The manager simply isn't good enough and as he doesn't have a bunch of superstars to carry his shortfalls, once the bad luck inevitably counterbalances the extra 2 points we barely deserved tonight and at St Johnstone, we will see AFC find their proper level in the months ahead. 

On 10/3/2020 at 2:53 AM, rocket_scientist said:

We need to define how to measure downhill. Forget my opinions that we got lucky twice or what I think of the manager or the squad, it's all to be found in the results and the data  

6 wins and no draws in 8 games = 75% points. If we finish the season with 85 points, that would be downhill (74.6%). We are only going downhill from here. We've not even played Celtic yet. 

On 10/3/2020 at 9:08 AM, rocket_scientist said:

75% of the available points in a 38 game season is 85.5 points so I only used 85 points to show that we have overachieved in terms of how the next 30 games are going to go. That's the opinion of an optimistic realist. Draws are what kills the points average, being only 33.3%. 5 wins and 3 draws is the same 75% and that's a big ask, avoiding defeat in 8 games just as winning 6 out of 8 is pretty damn good. 

After the St Mirren game at the start of last month, I took pelters for daring to suggest that it could only go downhill. The happy clappers were talking about second place and refused to accept what I thought was obvious. Let's do the maths after 6 more games: -

8 games: 18 points = 75%
14 games: 27 points = 64.3%

In order to NOT be downhill from the time I said it, McInnes will need to pick up 59 points in the remaining 24 games, an average of 2.46 points per game, for which  the minimum requirement is 19 wins and 2 draws or 20 wins.

It's not a case that McInnes must go... now. The truth is that he was NEVER going to succeed at AFC and should've been emptied way before he tried to use us as a stepping stone, which was always his plan let alone before getting an unfeasibly big contract out of Milne.

The WHOLE problem is McInnes. Until you first identify the problem and secondly, acknowledge that it exists, you cannot possibly fix it. McInnes and Docherty are killing the future potential of the club, not that they give a fuck, scum lowlife weegie charlatan fucking losers as they are.

Aberdeen have got the club they deserve because the principal problems (Milne and McInnes) weren't identified early enough and in the case of the midget bearded fuck, we STILL don't have consensus that he's the total problem, many years after it's been screamingly obvious to some of us. 

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Really grim post match interview. Even with those players out we should have more than enough to beat Hamilton.

 

Just woeful, woeful stuff. Predictable, uninteresting and easy to defend against. 

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4 minutes ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said:

Really grim post match interview. Even with those players out we should have more than enough to beat Hamilton.

 

Just woeful, woeful stuff. Predictable, uninteresting and easy to defend against. 

I agree about the interview.

Saying “we’ll take the positives, we got a point at a difficult venue & we’re back in 3rd” was horrible to hear.

Negative mentality. 

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That was a big one for him tonight. However I think it was a more difficult task than many think.

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12 minutes ago, WesthillWanderersFC said:

I agree about the interview.

Saying “we’ll take the positives, we got a point at a difficult venue & we’re back in 3rd” was horrible to hear.

Negative mentality. 

It really is absolute loser talk. Justifying that utter abomination of a 2nd half only perpetuates they cycle of mediocrity we're in. 

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18 minutes ago, Parklife said:

It really is absolute loser talk. Justifying that utter abomination of a 2nd half only perpetuates they cycle of mediocrity we're in. 

It also shows that McInnes aims for 3rd with no ambition to even challenge for higher. 
 

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21 minutes ago, Tord31 said:

That was a big one for him tonight. However I think it was a more difficult task than many think.

Not really difficult.

We were comfortable and under zero threat in the first half.

Nine players unavailable isn’t good obviously but should still have enough to get a 1-0 at Hamilton.

St Mirren away in the cup will be tougher & it’ll be the same squad. 

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Just now, WesthillWanderersFC said:

It also shows that McInnes aims for 3rd with no ambition to even challenge for higher. 
 

I’m not defending McInnes, but who walks into a Scottish club that isn’t one of the arse cheeks and seriously thinks they’ve a chance to win the league?

Add in our seemingly happy to be the best of the rest attitude with semi finals being the benchmark in the cup competitions.

Scottish football out with those two is a collective loser mentality.

When the chairman of your own club wanks himself daft over the return of the Huns, you know the game’s a bogey!

 

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14 minutes ago, WesthillWanderersFC said:

Not really difficult.

We were comfortable and under zero threat in the first half.

Nine players unavailable isn’t good obviously but should still have enough to get a 1-0 at Hamilton.

St Mirren away in the cup will be tougher & it’ll be the same squad. 

unfortunately i was more surprised by how easy it was initially than how it ended up.

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Difficult place to play and combatting the threat of Hamilton.... getting fed up of this now.  Total cop out.

They are absolute dross!

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5 hours ago, WesthillWanderersFC said:

I agree about the interview.

Saying “we’ll take the positives, we got a point at a difficult venue & we’re back in 3rd” was horrible to hear.

Negative mentality. 

Fkn difficult venue my arse, difficult for fkn who? Only fkn us.

only game Accies have won at home this season is a 2-1 win v Ayr Utd.
Only other game they haven’t lost at home is a 1-1 draw with Dundee Utd. McInnes should have been laughed at by the interviewer for that statement even with a team of ‘fringe’ players he has previously deemed good enough as first 11 players.

Guys a fkn joke

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Back to the old problem.

is coasting to 3rd enough?  Yes. Shouldn’t be, but is.

is shifesting to 3rd enough?  Arguably no, and the answer is muddied when a Killie or Well pops up to make it 4th

Is simply being shit and in a dog fight for 3rd,4th, 5th enough?  Regrettably still yes.  The competitive nature actually hides the failings
 

This one is a different beast altogether.  Seemingly more than good enough to be easily 3rd (and even that second 11 should have seen off Hamilton), but are for some bizarre reason adept at fucking it up.  
 

Hate to use a rocketism but just weak.

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8 hours ago, YorkDon said:

I’m not defending McInnes, but who walks into a Scottish club that isn’t one of the arse cheeks and seriously thinks they’ve a chance to win the league?

Add in our seemingly happy to be the best of the rest attitude with semi finals being the benchmark in the cup competitions.

Scottish football out with those two is a collective loser mentality.

When the chairman of your own club wanks himself daft over the return of the Huns, you know the game’s a bogey!

 

He's been in charge for 7 years. He's got the biggest budget in our history. He's built this squad. He's been supported to bring in further players when we've been hit by injuries. 

What's the point in it all if the aim is to be 3rd and never, ever hope to do better? What exactly are we building for? 

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10 minutes ago, strachanmcgheegoal said:

3rd.  Foolish to say otherwise.

3rd + decent cup showing + decent Europe showing I could cope with.

I can cope with finishing 3rd if 3rd is not the limit of our ambition. 

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41 minutes ago, Parklife said:

I can cope with finishing 3rd if 3rd is not the limit of our ambition. 

It was a huge 3 points to go for last night.

We were a theoretical 4 behind Celtic and 9 behind the Huns going in to the match and we had a run of 8 matches without playing celtic, rangers or hibs.

We had, and still do arguably, a chance to keep in touch with the top two.

It's a big disappointment. It's been discussed plenty before that it could be an interesting season to be 5-10 points behind the top two with ten games to go because there is every chance one team has a full on meltdown in the last month of the season if they are not going to win the league.

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1 hour ago, Parklife said:

He's been in charge for 7 years. He's got the biggest budget in our history. He's built this squad. He's been supported to bring in further players when we've been hit by injuries. 

What's the point in it all if the aim is to be 3rd and never, ever hope to do better? What exactly are we building for? 

But the massive issue here is that for many (way too many) of our fans that's enough. "Be careful what you wish for...", "Don't you remember McGhee ?" Fucking losers the lot of 'em... Like Tories still blaming Labour for the financial crash of 2008 to cover their own inadequacies. Change is needed... Whether that's before his contract ends in 22 or not... Change will need to be well managed if he's not getting a contract extension. I've said on another thread, if he gets his full term he should be Craig Browned at the split... But I suspect if he fails to qualify for whatever the 3rd tier European contest we'll no doubt end up in, an early League Cup exit and/or poor League run early next summer/autumn and the right man becomes available, Cormack won't be that sentimental. If anything this Covid affected season/year and the debt we've accrued makes it even more essential that we have some extra European funds coming in to cover the debt. Failure to achieve that (again) and you'd find it hard to argue against giving someone else a go. (And as others have mentioned maybe someone with a bit of European pedigree)...

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I'm just glad it's the League Cup up next. I realise where they are sitting in the league, but they are a far better side than Hamilton are. We are definitely no certainties to progress.

The only positive from the last week is that despite us suffering a predictable horsing at Ibrox and a shitshow at Hamilton, Hibs, despite having 2 home games in that same timeframe, still find themselves behind us in the league. 

After St Mirren, we at least get McCrorie, Ferguson and McLennan back (although our luck with injuries over the past 2 years is such that it would be no surprise if we then lose a couple of defenders for a few weeks).

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2 hours ago, Parklife said:

He's been in charge for 7 years. He's got the biggest budget in our history. He's built this squad. He's been supported to bring in further players when we've been hit by injuries. 

What's the point in it all if the aim is to be 3rd and never, ever hope to do better? What exactly are we building for? 

I don’t disagree with any of that Parkie, but his brief when he took over, would have been, please bring us some respectability Derek, and if you can nip a cup along the way, you’ll go down as an Aberdeen legend.

You only need to look at what the pundits come out with when we voice our unhappiness at the eye bleeding football, and failure to beat the teams we should beat.

What do they expect?The man’s brought them their first trophy in years etc etc.

The fans ambitions will always be far loftier than the clubs.

Even if we did go on a mad run and were seriously challenging, or suddenly attracted an oligarch, or Chinese billionaire, the establishment would do everything it could to make sure we didn’t upset the status quo.

It’s all set up for those two horrible excuses for clubs to prosper domestically, then when they fail in European competition, the rest of us get blamed for not giving them enough of a challenge.

If you ever watch them in Europe, the pundits (always an ex player for them) blames the rest of the league for them failing at that level.

It must be boring to be a fan of the arse cheeks, lording it over the other lot when you are winning, then foaming at the mouth when it’s your turn to be second.

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17 minutes ago, YorkDon said:

I don’t disagree with any of that Parkie, but his brief when he took over, would have been, please bring us some respectability Derek, and if you can nip a cup along the way, you’ll go down as an Aberdeen legend.

You only need to look at what the pundits come out with when we voice our unhappiness at the eye bleeding football, and failure to beat the teams we should beat.

What do they expect?The man’s brought them their first trophy in years etc etc.

The fans ambitions will always be far loftier than the clubs.

Even if we did go on a mad run and were seriously challenging, or suddenly attracted an oligarch, or Chinese billionaire, the establishment would do everything it could to make sure we didn’t upset the status quo.

It’s all set up for those two horrible excuses for clubs to prosper domestically, then when they fail in European competition, the rest of us get blamed for not giving them enough of a challenge.

If you ever watch them in Europe, the pundits (always an ex player for them) blames the rest of the league for them failing at that level.

It must be boring to be a fan of the arse cheeks, lording it over the other lot when you are winning, then foaming at the mouth when it’s your turn to be second.

Good post, Yorkie. With the finances McInnes has been given this season,  and with how Shite Celtic are, we should be in 2nd place and on the coattails of Sevco. 

 

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3 hours ago, Parklife said:

He's been in charge for 7 years. He's got the biggest budget in our history. He's built this squad. He's been supported to bring in further players when we've been hit by injuries. 

What's the point in it all if the aim is to be 3rd and never, ever hope to do better? What exactly are we building for? 

Truth in some of your comments but this was in horseshit.

Bigger budget than the Aitken days for example when we spent millions on transfers alone?

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30 minutes ago, afc_blockhead said:

Truth in some of your comments but this was in horseshit.

Bigger budget than the Aitken days for example when we spent millions on transfers alone?

Am I wrong we're operating at record turnover levels? 

While not equivalent to budget, it's a decent barometer of what our budget will be IMO. 

Can you demonstrate why it's "horseshit"? 

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Turnover is not relevant to the question of who had the biggest budget. The only thing that matters in any dispute like this is; who had the biggest budget?

There can be index linking of course, both on monetary values and market differences e.g. average wages then and now. 

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1 hour ago, YorkDon said:

I don’t disagree with any of that Parkie, but his brief when he took over, would have been, please bring us some respectability Derek, and if you can nip a cup along the way, you’ll go down as an Aberdeen legend.

You only need to look at what the pundits come out with when we voice our unhappiness at the eye bleeding football, and failure to beat the teams we should beat.

What do they expect?The man’s brought them their first trophy in years etc etc.

The fans ambitions will always be far loftier than the clubs.

Even if we did go on a mad run and were seriously challenging, or suddenly attracted an oligarch, or Chinese billionaire, the establishment would do everything it could to make sure we didn’t upset the status quo.

It’s all set up for those two horrible excuses for clubs to prosper domestically, then when they fail in European competition, the rest of us get blamed for not giving them enough of a challenge.

If you ever watch them in Europe, the pundits (always an ex player for them) blames the rest of the league for them failing at that level.

It must be boring to be a fan of the arse cheeks, lording it over the other lot when you are winning, then foaming at the mouth when it’s your turn to be second.

Excellent post.

Their recent implementations of Covid 19 protocols for Scotland's Under 21s left a lot to be desired, on the eve of a hugely important match at Ibrox. Very coincidental. Just saying like. 

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36 minutes ago, rocket_scientist said:

Turnover is not relevant to the question of who had the biggest budget. The only thing that matters in any dispute like this is; who had the biggest budget?

There can be index linking of course, both on monetary values and market differences e.g. average wages then and now. 

I'd disagree that it's not relevant. I agree it's not the same as budget though. I did look for accounts info online but couldn't see anything that far back.

I should've previously said "one of the biggest budgets", which I think most would agree with. 

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7 minutes ago, Parklife said:

I'd disagree that it's not relevant. I agree it's not the same as budget though. I did look for accounts info online but couldn't see anything that far back.

I should've previously said "one of the biggest budgets", which I think most would agree with. 

It's not for agreement or disagreement. If the dispute is who's got the biggest budget, the only thing that matters is; who's got the biggest budget.

I would agree with the main point that McInnes has made an arse of it with a healthy budget. I simply don't know if he has "the biggest in history" (as you originally said), which was disputed.

To be fair to Milne - even though it was simple common sense to even the most basic of business brains - he was one of the first I remember to talk about the wages to turnover ratio. Which is a totally separate issue again of course, but they are usually interlinked and to various degrees, dependent on each other, revenue, wages, playing budgets - both transfer kitty and wages. Not always interlinked of course, Chelsea, Man City and der hun having spent way out with their means, in the English cases being a money-laundering exercise in the former and a rich billionaire buying success in the latter (the Sibneft theft funding Roman's stolens also buying success) and in all three cases making a mockery of UEFA's financial "fair play" rules. 

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5 hours ago, Parklife said:

He's been in charge for 7 years. He's got the biggest budget in our history. He's built this squad. He's been supported to bring in further players when we've been hit by injuries. 

What's the point in it all if the aim is to be 3rd and never, ever hope to do better? What exactly are we building for? 

Biggest budget, and signed mostly zimmer drivers.     [ Cormack do you have a replacement in mind who isn’t attracted to hopalong Cassidys.   ) 

 

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