Scottish Independence Referendum 2

[NEM]

1 minute ago, Fridge said:

Crocket and Willie young should have shot for what they did. We could have built literally anything and it would have better been better than the drug den that is there now. Look at what regeneration has done for Dundee.
 

And before anyone mentions Peacock arts while to some folks taste it was never going attract a lot of outside tourism.

The design chosen by Wood and co was a concrete abomination.  The only decent thing Young & Crocket did while in office was tell Wood to shove his vanity project up his hole

[daytripping]

1 minute ago, Parklife said:

Dayts? Yeah, I know. That's what I was pointing out to him. 

The question remains, why did she lock down Aberdeen when numbers were low but not treat Glasgow the same when cases were going through the roof, she either needs to admit she shouldn't have locked down Aberdeen or say why, the "it started in different places" doesn't wash. People up here are angry we're now in a 3rd lockdown, businesses are closing at an alarming rate. If she doesn't put out a credible roadmap then she'll get wiped in the next election up here. 

[NEM]

23 minutes ago, rocket_scientist said:

accepted Hitler's surrender which would've halved the length of WW2?

 

Hitler offered to surrender in 1942?  They missed that part out of higher history

[daytripping]

5 minutes ago, rocket_scientist said:

These questions: -

 

It wasn't a real surrender offer, Churchill knew that.

I've already answered the 2nd question, different times, we had a commonwealth, the Country wasn't so liberal back then. On the whole we did much more good than harm, so yeah we should be proud.

[daytripping]

7 minutes ago, NEM said:

Hitler offered to surrender in 1942?  They missed that part out of higher history

I let that one slip as he's getting on a bit.

[NEM]

2 minutes ago, rocket_scientist said:

Would the majority of the people in India and Kenya agree with you that "we did much more good than harm"?

We should be proud of what? What "good" did Britain bring to those countries?

Jellied eels

[caledonia]

1 hour ago, afc_blockhead said:

Oh dear.

Firstly, this is from Business for Scotland isn't it? I forgot that other stereotype of Independent supporters , which you happen to fit. That stereotype is shout loudly that all facts and media that say ANYTHING negative about the SNP or independence are bias, but use sources like this ?

"Business for Scotland is a business network and business and economic policy think tank consisting of and representing business people who support Scottish independence."   . That is from the Wikipedia page.

So firstly, your source is bullshit and very open to questioning ?. Secondly the "facts" are covering 2017 in 3 of the graphs ?

Thirdly , they are VERY selective. Would you believe it that a pro independence group might just pick out the graphs that suit the agenda they have? Scotland has an atrocious record at hitting its own targets. For example the 4 hour target set for A&E in Scotland hasn't been hit since 2017 and the number of patients waiting over 12 hours is 5 times higher than the year before. These are FACTS from last winter, pre covid, so no excuse with that.

The number of hospital beds in Scotland has fallen by more than 6000 in 10 years (all SNP led...).

More than 250,000 people missed out on the "legally guaranteed" 12 week treatment between 2012-2018.

Only 2 NHS Health Boards meet waiting time targets for cancer treatment.

Hundreds of millions spent on a kids hospital in NHS Lothian that wasn't fit for purpose / is costing millions more a month now without being open and has no date for opening set ... 

I don't think these facts "fit with your agenda" either do they?

Tell you what why not share an article from "The National" next, they are definitely believable and have no reason to twist/be selective with facts do they ??

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Matt Armstrong's Dog said:

Great use of the word "facts", very appropriate considering the current mantra of the SNP and the NHS for Sturgeon (oops, sorry Scotland). 

Oh dear

https://theferret.scot/does-scotland-have-best-emergency-nhs-waiting-times-uk/

[Jocky Balboa]

48 minutes ago, daytripping said:

I had Boris for the reaction from the cult.

No one can deny Churchill was a great war time leader, to even suggest it would be folly.

Different times, what was once acceptable isn't now, things evolve, lot of them for the worse.

Churchill was a self-confessed racist and staunch imperialist, whose colonial aspirations and racial ideologies were every bit as "right wing" as his nemesis, Hitler.

As a side note, the BritNat narrative about WWII minimalises and sometimes ignores the contribution of Empire (i.e. Polish and ethnic minority) forces, while whitewashes the fact we allied with the Communists, whose record on bloodshed makes Hitler and Mussolini blush (and even predates them too, so no excuses there).

 One good outcome is that the BritNats "finest hour" actually precipitated the destruction of the Empire and with it, set into motion it's terminal decline as a world power. 

[Parklife]

6 minutes ago, NEM said:

Touche ?

 

Sturgeon and the Scottish government clearly.  She / they have allowed cases in Glasgow to spread around the country and we're all now being punished as a result.  She's now also got the fucking brass neck to claim her intervention has helped prevent the spread.

There should've been harsher restrictions put on Central belt locations with his infection rates, I agree. 

The biggest things that's causing us issues right now though is the decision to allow/encourage students to go to halls. Had disaster written all over it from the get-go and was somehow allowed to happen. 

6 minutes ago, NEM said:

 

Topped off by attempting to get the weegie cunts free Sky for the weekends bigot derby

That's pathetic tbh. 

[Parklife]

18 minutes ago, Jocky Balboa said:

Churchill was a self-confessed racist and staunch imperialist, whose colonial aspirations and racial ideologies were every bit as "right wing" as his nemesis, Hitler.

As a side note, the BritNat narrative about WWII minimalises and sometimes ignores the contribution of Empire (i.e. Polish and ethnic minority) forces, while whitewashes the fact we allied with the Communists, whose record on bloodshed makes Hitler and Mussolini blush (and even predates them too, so no excuses there).

 One good outcome is that the BritNats "finest hour" actually precipitated the destruction of the Empire and with it, set into motion it's terminal decline as a world power. 

Why did you refer to Russia as "Communists" but not any of the Capitalists as Capitalists? 

 

[afc_blockhead]

39 minutes ago, caledonia said:

 

Oh dear

https://theferret.scot/does-scotland-have-best-emergency-nhs-waiting-times-uk/

Desperate, you are so out of your depth aren't you now I've called you out ?

First of all you ignored ALL of my post which found you out for your shit sources , only reading and believing stuff written by .. people like you. 

Facts that contradicted you easily.

Then you share 1 article from 2017. From a source which I wouldn't exactly call world class.. would you ? Anyway..  ... it starts with "The Ferret Fact Service looked at the evidence, and found that the SNP’s claim that Scotland has the best accident and emergency waiting times in the UK is accurate, but there is more to the story."

Just a couple of paragraphs later :

"Therefore, the four-hour figures do not “provide a full measure of service quality” or give an exact reflection of waiting times, but instead act as an indicator of broad A&E performance.

Also ... 

". However, this common measure used to grade A&E performance may not give a full account of actual waiting times, and the Scottish Government has been less successful when judged against its own targets."

So .. a 3 year old "source" which within the article questions the metrics and whether it is actually a fair comment. 

That the best you can do?

Another 1 for you here, the SNP boasted a couple of years ago about having less people bed blocking. The truth of it was they changed the metrics to state that if a patient had moved ward or facility within a certain timeframe they would count that as not bed blocking anymore. Regardless of whether they were still in hospital. NHS England .. didn't . They included them.

So do you see how facts can be flipped about to suit a purpose. Your posting of overtly pro independence material , as well as a 3 year old article that questions itself , is shit isn't it?

Some people who believe in Independence have some intelligence and maybe even understand what they are speaking about in some areas. You though are the classic (just look at your username FFS!) Braveheart loving , kilt wearing , simpleton who reads articles written by people like you and convinces themselves that is all that exists to the question of independence. ???

Admit it .. you REALLY struggled to find an article not in "The National" or "Business for Scotland" didn't you? It's all you know and base your world view on. Hence this UTTER WANK!!! ?

[afc_blockhead]

50 minutes ago, caledonia said:

 

Oh dear

https://theferret.scot/does-scotland-have-best-emergency-nhs-waiting-times-uk/

Also , from your new favourite non openly pro Independence website/source :

https://theferret.scot/nhs-scotland-surgical-gloves-ansell/

NHS Scotland buys surgical gloves from firm which used forced labour

Surely it's only the evil Tories do stuff like that, not the friendly shiny liberal people loving socialist SNP? ?

Get that Saltire flying tonight ... sad fuck ?

[Studebaker-90]

1 hour ago, Bad_Mobby said:

Shitler and Pussolini 

General wanko 

[Studebaker-90]

What would those people who are in favour of independence but also think the SNP are a shambles do come election time? 

[maryhilldon]

1 hour ago, afc_blockhead said:

 

Some people who believe in Independence have some intelligence and maybe even understand what they are speaking about in some areas. 

Very generous of you to concede this. They won't be as intelligent as you though eh? 

[caledonia]

1 hour ago, afc_blockhead said:

Also , from your new favourite non openly pro Independence website/source :

https://theferret.scot/nhs-scotland-surgical-gloves-ansell/

NHS Scotland buys surgical gloves from firm which used forced labour

Surely it's only the evil Tories do stuff like that, not the friendly shiny liberal people loving socialist SNP? ?

Get that Saltire flying tonight ... sad fuck ?

2 posts show your rattled to fuck and all because you could NOT prove what you claimed that Scotlands NHS was any worse than the rest of the uk.

typical of Tory voters lie and hope no one notices 

away and suck the linesmans cock you moron.
 

[Parklife]

7 minutes ago, Studebaker-90 said:

What would those people who are in favour of independence but also think the SNP are a shambles do come election time? 

SNP are polling at circa 50%. They'll romp it. Potentially have an outright majority, although hopefully enough will cast their 2nd vote for the Greens to avoid that. 

[Ten Caat]

2 hours ago, NEM said:

Hitler offered to surrender in 1942?  They missed that part out of higher history

I was thinking that too. Unless he means the Rudolph Hess parachuting into Scotland lark. Which I always understood to be about negotiation of a bilateral peace agreement, not an offer of surrender?

[Studebaker-90]

5 minutes ago, Parklife said:

SNP are polling at circa 50%. They'll romp it. Potentially have an outright majority, although hopefully enough will cast their 2nd vote for the Greens to avoid that. 

So the inference here is independence is the number 1 priority rather than the actual perceived performance of the party on particular issues. Seems a bit contradictory if people are thinking “fuck me they’ve performed terribly, but I want Indy so I’ll vote for them”. 

[something_or_other]

1 hour ago, afc_blockhead said:

Desperate, you are so out of your depth aren't you now I've called you out ?

First of all you ignored ALL of my post which found you out for your shit sources , only reading and believing stuff written by .. people like you. 

Facts that contradicted you easily.

Then you share 1 article from 2017. From a source which I wouldn't exactly call world class.. would you ? Anyway..  ... it starts with "The Ferret Fact Service looked at the evidence, and found that the SNP’s claim that Scotland has the best accident and emergency waiting times in the UK is accurate, but there is more to the story."

Just a couple of paragraphs later :

"Therefore, the four-hour figures do not “provide a full measure of service quality” or give an exact reflection of waiting times, but instead act as an indicator of broad A&E performance.

Also ... 

". However, this common measure used to grade A&E performance may not give a full account of actual waiting times, and the Scottish Government has been less successful when judged against its own targets."

So .. a 3 year old "source" which within the article questions the metrics and whether it is actually a fair comment. 

That the best you can do?

Another 1 for you here, the SNP boasted a couple of years ago about having less people bed blocking. The truth of it was they changed the metrics to state that if a patient had moved ward or facility within a certain timeframe they would count that as not bed blocking anymore. Regardless of whether they were still in hospital. NHS England .. didn't . They included them.

So do you see how facts can be flipped about to suit a purpose. Your posting of overtly pro independence material , as well as a 3 year old article that questions itself , is shit isn't it?

Some people who believe in Independence have some intelligence and maybe even understand what they are speaking about in some areas. You though are the classic (just look at your username FFS!) Braveheart loving , kilt wearing , simpleton who reads articles written by people like you and convinces themselves that is all that exists to the question of independence. ???

Admit it .. you REALLY struggled to find an article not in "The National" or "Business for Scotland" didn't you? It's all you know and base your world view on. Hence this UTTER WANK!!! ?

 

The ferret is good stuff.

Relatively non-partisan (very Green leaning)

 

[something_or_other]

29 minutes ago, maryhilldon said:

Very generous of you to concede this. They won't be as intelligent as you though eh? 

You've got a chip a mile wide eh

[maryhilldon]

5 minutes ago, something_or_other said:

You've got a chip a mile wide eh

About what? 

[afc_blockhead]

1 hour ago, maryhilldon said:

Very generous of you to concede this. They won't be as intelligent as you though eh? 

Small man syndrome? Feel intellectually inferior to a lot of people? Sorry to hear that.

Nope, I never said anything about my intelligence, you did. Probably because you know you are 1 of the thick ones!

[afc_blockhead]

1 hour ago, something_or_other said:

You've got a chip a mile wide eh

Spot on. It shines through in most of his posts doesn't it.

HUGE chip on his shoulder. Low self esteem I reckon.

[afc_blockhead]

1 hour ago, caledonia said:

2 posts show your rattled to fuck and all because you could NOT prove what you claimed that Scotlands NHS was any worse than the rest of the uk.

typical of Tory voters lie and hope no one notices 

away and suck the linesmans cock you moron.
 

HAHA Avoided literally EVERYTHING I've said in both posts that proves you for what you are.

I'm not rattled at all. "suck the linesmans cock you moron". Look rattled there Mr Scotland? ?

I provided plenty of verifiable (by the NHS themselves) facts about why Scotland's NHS is underperforming and is mismanaged. You chose to ignore them because you don't know how to respond without being allowed to share propaganda from the "sources" you want.

Also I love that your defence of how the SNP run the NHS well in your opinion is by finding a couple of random areas (from BUSINESSFORSCOTLAND) they maybe do better than another part of the NHS in the UK over a specific period (preferably 3 nearly 4 years ago judging on what you have shared). Like that means they run it well? Weird.

Also I believe your lineman comment suggests I am a Tory. 

Yet ANOTHER stereotype of the stupid independence supporters met by yourself - "anyone who doesnae agree with us is a pure Tory man". Wrong again dipshit ?

I tell you what, you look at those polls your pals in The National share and get yourself off reading all the propaganda ... although I suppose everything that refutes what they write is a conspiracy ? (one of the final stereotypes to check.. you are so unbelievably easy to read).

[afc_blockhead]

1 hour ago, something_or_other said:

 

The ferret is good stuff.

Relatively non-partisan (very Green leaning)

 

You are very probably right on that.

The point was Mr Nationalist of the year 2020 could only provide 1 article when asked to avoid pro independence written material from the usual places.

He provided something which in the very first lines questions how much of an indicator it is.

Again proving his utter utter thickness.

[caledonia]

14 minutes ago, afc_blockhead said:

HAHA Avoided literally EVERYTHING I've said in both posts that proves you for what you are.

I'm not rattled at all. "suck the linesmans cock you moron". Look rattled there Mr Scotland? ?

I provided plenty of verifiable (by the NHS themselves) facts about why Scotland's NHS is underperforming and is mismanaged. You chose to ignore them because you don't know how to respond without being allowed to share propaganda from the "sources" you want.

Also I love that your defence of how the SNP run the NHS well in your opinion is by finding a couple of random areas (from BUSINESSFORSCOTLAND) they maybe do better than another part of the NHS in the UK over a specific period (preferably 3 nearly 4 years ago judging on what you have shared). Like that means they run it well? Weird.

Also I believe your lineman comment suggests I am a Tory. 

Yet ANOTHER stereotype of the stupid independence supporters met by yourself - "anyone who doesnae agree with us is a pure Tory man". Wrong again dipshit ?

I tell you what, you look at those polls your pals in The National share and get yourself off reading all the propaganda ... although I suppose everything that refutes what they write is a conspiracy ? (one of the final stereotypes to check.. you are so unbelievably easy to read).

Fud 

here you go Tory boy

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-38853700

 

[maryhilldon]

11 minutes ago, afc_blockhead said:

Small man syndrome? Feel intellectually inferior to a lot of people? Sorry to hear that.

Nope, I never said anything about my intelligence, you did. Probably because you know you are 1 of the thick ones!

I  certainly don't feel intellectually inferior to you.  You're the one being condescending about the intelligence of people that have a different viewpoint on independence,  you're the one throwing childish insults and telling everyone they're thick.  

[afc_blockhead]

Just now, caledonia said:

Fud 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-38853700

(1) Avoided all my facts and points again.

(2) Finally resorted to a BBC link at the 3rd or 4th attempt to prove yourself (I thought the BBC were nasty reactionary SNP hating bastards?! .. Not when it suits you . OK ..)

(3) It's from 2017 AGAIN ... 3 years old haha As everything you sent has been . It has always just been about 1 set of targets for 1 department over a short period of time as well. Hardly an indicator of a whole service. Especially when as I explained before the SNP have changed metrics in many cases to hide the true story. If you need proof read one of my earlier posts.. if you can.

(4) "But most of the progress has been concentrated in and around Glasgow and Edinburgh, where over a quarter of the population lives.

Arguably, this gives Scotland an advantage, as improvements in just two regions can have a significant impact on performance"

So then again, even in this ONE area THREE GOING ON FOUR YEARS AGO of comparison the comparison is possibly not that important.

Any more? You are too easy. I think you should just go away and look at Independence pages on social media that regurgitate the sort of shit you like too without question.

?

[afc_blockhead]

1 minute ago, maryhilldon said:

I  certainly don't feel intellectually inferior to you.  You're the one being condescending about the intelligence of people that have a different viewpoint on independence,  you're the one throwing childish insults and telling everyone they're thick.  

Well I'm not the only person in the last 20 minutes who has noticed the chip on your shoulder.

I never said all nationalists are thick, I said a certain breed of them are. I think you are probably a member of that group too.

"go suck a linesmans cock" wasn't a phrase typed by me. Fairly childish insult I would say.

Also, nice try attempting to take the moral high ground , everyone can see even if someone disagrees with you about anything to do with football let alone politics you lose it.

VERY big chip on the shoulder. Not just me who has noticed it.