Scottish Independence Referendum 2

[Lencarl]

Tory fears over Nicola Sturgeon's Scottish independence surge were laid bare today in a leaked memo.

An assessment put together by key advisers warns Boris Johnson that he cannot simply keep saying no to the SNP leader's demands for another referendum.

The document from Hanbury strategy bemoans the 'vacuum of leadership' within the unionist movement - and suggests that the PM will need to offer Ms Sturgeon more powers to stave off a catastrophic break-up of the UK.

 

 

The PM can shove more powers.

Scotland will be Independent and have all the powers.

[NEM]

3 hours ago, Lencarl said:

Tory fears over Nicola Sturgeon's Scottish independence surge were laid bare today in a leaked memo.

An assessment put together by key advisers warns Boris Johnson that he cannot simply keep saying no to the SNP leader's demands for another referendum.

The document from Hanbury strategy bemoans the 'vacuum of leadership' within the unionist movement - and suggests that the PM will need to offer Ms Sturgeon more powers to stave off a catastrophic break-up of the UK.

 

 

The PM can shove more powers.

Scotland will be Independent and have all the powers.

Until their bid to rejoin the EU is accepted (after years of austerity on steroids in order to reduce the deficit to the required 3%)

[Lencarl]

9 minutes ago, NEM said:

Until their bid to rejoin the EU is accepted (after years of austerity on steroids in order to reduce the deficit to the required 3%)

https://www.thenational.scot/news/18685602.confused-talk-deficits-read-wrong/

[NEM]

8 minutes ago, Lencarl said:

https://www.thenational.scot/news/18685602.confused-talk-deficits-read-wrong/

Stopped reading comics when I was a kid

[Lencarl]

They are waiting for us to be a Nation again.

 #indyref2

 

[Clydeside_Sheep]

On 10/21/2020 at 4:30 AM, maryhilldon said:

That's an embarrassing post even for you. 

Why are you up in the middle of the night, casting aspersions at people  on the internet?

[maryhilldon]

2 hours ago, Clydeside_Sheep said:

Why are you up in the middle of the night, casting aspersions at people  on the internet?

It's the Hat ffs.  You should know how it works by now. 

[Jocky Balboa]

The SNP are becoming more and more of a joke outfit under Krankie MacMerkel and her slimy reptile of a husband. Not content with stitching up Salmond (don't even argue, happy clappers, he's owned up to the leaked WhatsApp messages and the evidence mounts weekly against them) they can't even get their laughable "female only" candidate lists right, as there are now two trannies standing for selection. 

I just wonder how much crap independence supporters are willing to put up with in their 'vote SNP until independent' mantra. I for one don't see how we can stack up morally against our opponents, if we as a YES group are preaching about 'a better nation' but are willing to tolerate corruption and MacWoke nanny state drivel to achieve that end.

[Jocky Balboa]

As a side note, it's been said behind the scenes that at least a few of the "Alphabet Sisters" who falsely accused Salmond are standing for selection. Would we as a country be happy with such despicable people in positions of power? False accusers do untold harm to genuine victims of sexual assault, yet they remain behind a cloak of anonymity, even though it was established the events they describe did NOT happen (and in some cases, they weren't even present at the venues in question!).

[For Fecks Sake]

And here comes Caledonia to completely ignore your comments and instead post a link to the national that points out how things down south are ten times as bad in 3.......2........1.....

[maryhilldon]

Salmond's one of the good guys.  Just a bit tactile after a sesh. 

[For Fecks Sake]

19 minutes ago, rocket_scientist said:

That's disingenuous, snidey, unfair and most of all untrue. I've had fallouts with him but I understand his politics (or at least I hope I do) and nothing JB has posted is anything he will have a major issue with (if I read it right). He certainly will not be reacting the way you predict he will.

If you've nothing to say, shut the fuck up. You have no value to add to the debate. When the adults are talking, leave the room. You take up too much bandwidth.

You really are a fud min ?

Anyhow that's me back to not posting much again as I look to finish off what has been an excellent 2 week holiday taking a well deserved break from work.

Bugger, just given you a golden opportunity there to wax lyrical about all the amazing places you have been on holiday and why they have all been better holidays than anyone elses as well as how whatever the fuck it is you do for a job will obviously be a far better job than mine.

 
To be fair I can only dream of buying cars paying cash like you do so perhaps you have a point.

Till next time ?

 

[Simply Red]

2 minutes ago, maryhilldon said:

Salmond's one of the good guys.  Just a bit tactile after a sesh. 

Baron Greenback and Boris the clown would be some team out on the town, mopping up the bitches. 

 

[caledonia]

On 10/16/2020 at 8:00 AM, caledonia said:

I hate the SNP just now with their obsession over GRA and also Hate crime bill will be a shambles for twitter, facebook and also this site with the way its worded.

Also the Alex Salmond stitch Up does not sit well either.

But i realise the only way to get independence is through the SNP for now anyway even though i am not 100% convinced after 4 mandates they are as keen as the independence movement to do it sooner rather than later.

Where unionists fail is they always come up with things every other country in the world manage fine as excuses for Scotland being independent like currency and deficits etc etc.

 

 

1 hour ago, For Fecks Sake said:

And here comes Caledonia to completely ignore your comments and instead post a link to the national that points out how things down south are ten times as bad in 3.......2........1.....

Actually said the same thing but don't let that get in the way of your agenda.

[Jocky Balboa]

I must admit, though I'm far from Wings over Scotland's biggest fan, they have a guest post today from a YES supporter who has exposed Shirley Anne Somerville as the kind of trougher that would make some Westminster types blush. Recommended reading, but what I recommend even more is some reflection from fellow independence supporters and a few rhetorical questions along the lines of;

Is the current SNP leadership a fair reflection of the kind of country we want to build? Is the GRA and Hate Crime Bill the sort of authoritarian nonsense befitting a movement that so often derides the UK establishment for its own authoritarianism?

The Sturgeon and Murrell cabal have, as many of us predicted since 2016, kicked independence down the long grass and squandered several mandates. Are you happy to believe them when they point at May 2021 and say "just one more mandate"?

Given the stench of corruption Sturgeon and Murrell are involved in over stitching up Salmond, is it morally acceptable to "wait until independence, then sort it out"? Should we not be ever more diligent in weeding out bad people, as an example of the country we want to build, as opposed to utilising these types and their insidious tactics for one goal? If so, how do we stack up against WM morally? Are we any better than them?

I stand by what I've said since 2016, that the present SNP leadership won't deliver independence, but if they do remain in power then i think we need to take a good, long hard look at ourselves. 

[Simply Red]

1 hour ago, Bad_Mobby said:

Love Bronski Beat 

Was good in Death Wish

[Jocky Balboa]

No doubt the mainstream media will have a field day with this, but even YES supporters are seeing through Krankie's Kabal for what they are:

https://wingsoverscotland.com/youve-been-robbed/

It was always going to end in tears, as the SNP went from being a party with a single aim, to being the de facto Scottish establishment. The influx of New Labour refugees between 2013-15 told its own story, now they're utterly infested with some real trash.

They have potty mouthed NEDs (Mhairi Black) who invite drag queens with explicit websites into primary schools.

Ex-musicians who peddled third-rate teuchter emo, now turned careerist chancers (Pete Wishart).

The Zionist loving neo-cons (McDonald, Angus Robertson).

Blowhards like "we won't be taken out of the EU against our will" Blackford.

The Islamist nutjob who wants to bury free speech (Humza) with his Hate Crime Bill.

The theatrical jobby jabber Alyn Smith who made "I beg you, chez colleague" speeches in the EU parliament, then shamelessly parachuted into a five year WM seat without so much as a Brexit whimper. His boyfriend "Jordon" is a misogynistic cretin as well.

The faeces frollicking dysmorphic transvestite perverts who dreamed up the GRA and threaten and abuse women who object.

...all of this and Scotland is no closer to independence than in 2015. Oh, I'm sorry, do some of you still believe a Tory PM will grant us another referendum, when their level of humanity is roughly on par with pond amoeba and dog shit? Maybe if the SNP just ask nicely next time? Just one more mandate... ??

[caledonia]

Totally agree with above post.

Waiting for a Tory Government who are willing to starve kids and take the flak just agree to a section 30 is crazy.

I have wanted independence all my life and saw the SNP as a great fair party but now after the Salmond stitch up and the GRA bullying and hate crime bill i only see them as a vehicle to indy.

But same with others my patience is running out.

   

[Jocky Balboa]

The "vehicle to independence" part is exactly the problem, I'm afraid. They are afforded infinitely more flak from their voters than other parties would ordinarily be, due to their original purpose (and with it, the ability to dangle a carrot at every critical juncture). 

The question is, just how much of this nonsense under Sturgeon and Murrell are people prepared to take? Unionists have their choice of at least 4 parties, but the independence movement has put almost all (except for a few token Green votes) their eggs in one basket and now the eggs are proving increasingly rotten, the basket stinks of rancid keech. Do we throw the basket away and weave another, or deep clean it and refill it with good eggs?

[muttonhumper]

17 hours ago, Jocky Balboa said:

No doubt the mainstream media will have a field day with this, but even YES supporters are seeing through Krankie's Kabal for what they are:

https://wingsoverscotland.com/youve-been-robbed/

It was always going to end in tears, as the SNP went from being a party with a single aim, to being the de facto Scottish establishment. The influx of New Labour refugees between 2013-15 told its own story, now they're utterly infested with some real trash.

They have potty mouthed NEDs (Mhairi Black) who invite drag queens with explicit websites into primary schools.

Ex-musicians who peddled third-rate teuchter emo, now turned careerist chancers (Pete Wishart).

The Zionist loving neo-cons (McDonald, Angus Robertson).

Blowhards like "we won't be taken out of the EU against our will" Blackford.

The Islamist nutjob who wants to bury free speech (Humza) with his Hate Crime Bill.

The theatrical jobby jabber Alyn Smith who made "I beg you, chez colleague" speeches in the EU parliament, then shamelessly parachuted into a five year WM seat without so much as a Brexit whimper. His boyfriend "Jordon" is a misogynistic cretin as well.

The faeces frollicking dysmorphic transvestite perverts who dreamed up the GRA and threaten and abuse women who object.

...all of this and Scotland is no closer to independence than in 2015. Oh, I'm sorry, do some of you still believe a Tory PM will grant us another referendum, when their level of humanity is roughly on par with pond amoeba and dog shit? Maybe if the SNP just ask nicely next time? Just one more mandate... ??

 

16 hours ago, caledonia said:

Totally agree with above post.

Waiting for a Tory Government who are willing to starve kids and take the flak just agree to a section 30 is crazy.

I have wanted independence all my life and saw the SNP as a great fair party but now after the Salmond stitch up and the GRA bullying and hate crime bill i only see them as a vehicle to indy.

But same with others my patience is running out.

   

 

Agreed.

If all the shit they have been coming away with over the last couple of years fucks up our chances of self determination, then those cunts deserve to rot in hell.

Fucking gluepots.

[Redforever86]

Any nationalists work at Dana Petroleum? Message me 

[Jocky Balboa]

On 10/28/2020 at 4:57 PM, muttonhumper said:

 

 

Agreed.

If all the shit they have been coming away with over the last couple of years fucks up our chances of self determination, then those cunts deserve to rot in hell.

Fucking gluepots.

Here is a very articulate take on where things stand:

https://grousebeater.wordpress.com/2020/10/31/snp-or-independence/#comments

The problem is, the independence movement has made a rod for its own back by blind adherence to the "vote SNP until independence" mantra. It has turned them from a party that was a very broad church, united by a single cause, to becoming the de facto Scottish establishment (the influx of ex-New Labour types since 2014 tells its own story). As a result, they are full to the brim with careerist chancers and troughers who value their personal ambition over the main goal. 

Things will get very interesting should any of the Alphabet Sisters from the AS case get elected (rumours are at least one is standing). It's disgusting that false accusers (the court transcripts  made public clearly show most of them were lying) can stay anonymous, but to be rewarded by the party heirarchy would perhaps be a step too far for some diehards.

[muttonhumper]

YES!. All that stuff there above I just read.

But not the link as too pished JB.

Get the idea though from that snippet.

[Clydeside_Sheep]

On 10/27/2020 at 11:17 PM, Jocky Balboa said:

No doubt the mainstream media will have a field day with this, but even YES supporters are seeing through Krankie's Kabal for what they are:

https://wingsoverscotland.com/youve-been-robbed/

It was always going to end in tears, as the SNP went from being a party with a single aim, to being the de facto Scottish establishment. The influx of New Labour refugees between 2013-15 told its own story, now they're utterly infested with some real trash.

They have potty mouthed NEDs (Mhairi Black) who invite drag queens with explicit websites into primary schools.

Ex-musicians who peddled third-rate teuchter emo, now turned careerist chancers (Pete Wishart).

The Zionist loving neo-cons (McDonald, Angus Robertson).

Blowhards like "we won't be taken out of the EU against our will" Blackford.

The Islamist nutjob who wants to bury free speech (Humza) with his Hate Crime Bill.

The theatrical jobby jabber Alyn Smith who made "I beg you, chez colleague" speeches in the EU parliament, then shamelessly parachuted into a five year WM seat without so much as a Brexit whimper. His boyfriend "Jordon" is a misogynistic cretin as well.

The faeces frollicking dysmorphic transvestite perverts who dreamed up the GRA and threaten and abuse women who object.

...all of this and Scotland is no closer to independence than in 2015. Oh, I'm sorry, do some of you still believe a Tory PM will grant us another referendum, when their level of humanity is roughly on par with pond amoeba and dog shit? Maybe if the SNP just ask nicely next time? Just one more mandate... ??

Excellent post and description of several of the main SNP personalities.

The problem indy supporters have is to consider that, since the rise of the Sturgeon regime (what, 6 yrs ago?) these people have represented the top talent, intellectual greats and philosophical giants drawn from the ranks of the independence movement.

That's a pretty depressing vista for "Yes".

All political regimes and governments get "tired" eventually and I think we are starting to see some of that now, for various reasons.  Sturgeon doesn't have her troubles to seek and she better hope her highly complex, multi-level tier system for covid doesn't fuck things up in addition.

Did you read kevin mckennas recent article about humza yousef and the hate crime bill?  Usually mckenna talks pish, but he was bang on & brutal there - and (in the comments) the anger at the SNP (inc from members) and strong dislike of Humza took me aback.  Of course, apart from this, any fool can see the bill and its motives are sinister.  This will be another shit show for them. like the named person bill in the supreme court.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18834930.humza-yousafs-hate-crime-home-bill-deranged---opinon-kevin-mckenna/

[caledonia]

[Parklife]

8 minutes ago, caledonia said:

bUt tHe sNp hAvE nO vOtEs iN aBeRdEeN

 

[Bluto10]

you lot still bangin on about independence??

 

LOL

[Henry]

“Boris Johnson described devolution in Scotland a "disaster" during a meeting with Conservative MPs, one of those taking part has told the BBC.

Mr Johnson also reportedly described it as predecessor Tony Blair's "biggest mistake".

The SNP has criticised Mr Johnson's reported comments.

But government sources suggested the prime minister had been making "more of a reference" to the SNP's running of Scotland than devolution in general.”

[Simply Red]

On 11/8/2020 at 5:17 PM, Bluto10 said:

you lot still bangin on about independence??

 

LOL

You still banging on about how many beers youve had??

LOL

[Poodler]

The BBC have your say bit on this article is pretty funny