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Scottish Independence Referendum 2


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Should Scotland be an independent country?  

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  1. 1. Should Scotland be an independent country?

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Boris has delivered what everyone said was impossible, a brexit agreement which allows tariff-free access to EU markets, while being outside EU regulatory orbit and free to make our own trade deals with other nations (85% of the worlds economy is outside the EU and now ripe for the plucking).

Remember, at the time of the referendum, we were told that even just voting to leave would trigger an immediate economic shock and fire would fall from the sky etc.  The lies and media conditioning wrt the EU should be clear to all by now.

Anyway, Boris' success has shafted rat-bag Sturgeon, who is now left offering voters a bleak existence as a backwater outside of both the EU and UK markets. 

That, in her first response, she was left mumbling about the Erasmus student scheme and £100m of seed potato exports clearly broadcasts how good the deal is.  The Erasmus scheme benefited a few 100 privileged Scots students per annum, from affluent middle class families who can afford to send their kid to study abroad for a year.  Big wow.  And £100m of seed potatos is small fry, compared to the £400m (and rising) the SNP has blown on its white elephants of Prestwick Airport, Ferguson Marine and BiFab.

By now the SNP are just "the contrary party" - there is no coherent thread in their decision making and actions, other than always seeking to take the opposite line to the UK Government.   E.g. they claimed "no deal" would be a disaster, but then yesterday actually voted to inflict "no deal" on Scotland and wider UK, via rejecting the solid agreement which had been made. 

Also, Sturgeon claims the agreement is "a betrayal" of Scottish fishermen, even though her own policies would ultimately see Scotland returned to the EU's hated Common Fishery Policy, giving away once again the larger catches and ultimate control which the UK Government has secured for Scotland.  Strange that she would rather jobs and money generated by Scottish resources would go to France, Spain etc than to Scotland. 

When you review what they say and do, its clear they do not have a lot of respect for the intellect of those who vote for them.  Nor do they reliably act in Scotland's interests, as we have seen Westminster do  here.

Anyway the Fishermen get 25% of the EU' catch added to their own over a 5 year transition period, (the c*nts had wanted 40 years of transition!), and then the UK takes full sovereign control of its own waters and can elect to negotiate / sell access to EU nations.  Already things are gearing up with £100m to be spend to modernise the fishing fleet.  The UK Government want to run the scheme directly, as they do not trust the SNP to properly deliver Brexit benefits to the people.

The Centre for Economic and Business Research predicts that the UK will outperform the EU over the next 15 years.  In that period our economy should grow ~25% larger than that of France, and be on course to over-take Germany by 2040.

So, good times ahead for British Scotland and the rest of the UK.  The pretend-independence punted by the SNP becomes an ever-more obscure vanity project, the sell-by date of which was in the 1970s.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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17 hours ago, daytripping said:

What's the snp supporters view of them voting for a no deal today, seems a bizarre stance to me, not sure why they'd vote for something they campaigned against.

Why was the debate in Holyrood even required, wasn't a decision they could change.

Probably because of this

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So the push for independence from the SNP when they win the next election is to grab our freedom, then use that freedom and give chunks of it away to become part of the EU???

Cut our ties with a union we do most of our trade with to get into bed with another union that we do much less trade with.

This just admits that we can’t go it alone and independence isn’t really the goal.

Yet the saltire face paint wearers will be lapping it up in order to get away from the English. They’ll be wearing saltire on one cheek and EU flag on t’other.

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3 hours ago, CraigHill said:

So the push for independence from the SNP when they win the next election is to grab our freedom, then use that freedom and give chunks of it away to become part of the EU???

Cut our ties with a union we do most of our trade with to get into bed with another union that we do much less trade with.

This just admits that we can’t go it alone and independence isn’t really the goal.

Yet the saltire face paint wearers will be lapping it up in order to get away from the English. They’ll be wearing saltire on one cheek and EU flag on t’other.

Fuck off you baldy poofter. Not in the slightest bit funny.

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3 hours ago, CraigHill said:

So the push for independence from the SNP when they win the next election is to grab our freedom, then use that freedom and give chunks of it away to become part of the EU???

Cut our ties with a union we do most of our trade with to get into bed with another union that we do much less trade with.

This just admits that we can’t go it alone and independence isn’t really the goal.

Yet the saltire face paint wearers will be lapping it up in order to get away from the English. They’ll be wearing saltire on one cheek and EU flag on t’other.

Away & lick Ruth Davidson’s hairy 1970’s minge 

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5 hours ago, CraigHill said:

So the push for independence from the SNP when they win the next election is to grab our freedom, then use that freedom and give chunks of it away to become part of the EU???

Cut our ties with a union we do most of our trade with to get into bed with another union that we do much less trade with.

This just admits that we can’t go it alone and independence isn’t really the goal.

Yet the saltire face paint wearers will be lapping it up in order to get away from the English. They’ll be wearing saltire on one cheek and EU flag on t’other.

we will have more say and unionists cant now argue about trade offs because Scotland as part of the EU would have to get same deal
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1 hour ago, CraigHill said:

Ouch. So hurtful.

Not meant to be hurtful. Just pointing out the utterly pathetic nature of what you wrote. A guy who believes Scotland are uniquely placed as the only country on earth who're incapable of governing themselves. You and anyone else who believes that are losers. 

This isnt the same as people thinking that Scotland is best placed within the UK. I disagree with that but respect the differing opinion. 

Imagine thinking the people of Scotland cant look after themselves... ?

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12 minutes ago, Parklife said:

Not meant to be hurtful. Just pointing out the utterly pathetic nature of what you wrote. A guy who believes Scotland are uniquely placed as the only country on earth who're incapable of governing themselves. You and anyone else who believes that are losers. 

This isnt the same as people thinking that Scotland is best placed within the UK. I disagree with that but respect the differing opinion. 

Imagine thinking the people of Scotland cant look after themselves... ?

One of the better together leaders thought the same, SLAB have got their just deserts for electing clowns like this.

 

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32 minutes ago, Parklife said:

Not meant to be hurtful. Just pointing out the utterly pathetic nature of what you wrote. A guy who believes Scotland are uniquely placed as the only country on earth who're incapable of governing themselves. You and anyone else who believes that are losers. 

This isnt the same as people thinking that Scotland is best placed within the UK. I disagree with that but respect the differing opinion. 

Imagine thinking the people of Scotland cant look after themselves... ?

Why is Sturgeon so desperate to give away part of our newly secured independence to the EU?

Why not be properly independent and govern ourselves? 

Either she doesn’t really want independence, or doesn’t believe it’s possible with the cards at her disposal to secure a suitable trade deal, hence she’s whoring Scotland out to the EU and offering up Independence light.

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2 minutes ago, CraigHill said:

Why is Sturgeon so desperate to give away part of our newly secured independence to the EU?

Why not be properly independent and govern ourselves? 

Either she doesn’t really want independence, or doesn’t believe it’s possible with the cards at her disposal to secure a suitable trade deal, hence she’s whoring Scotland out to the EU and offering up Independence light.

Because as part of the eu we would have a equal say as all the other nations

but as part of the uk we get no say

thought you were smarter than this Craig

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41 minutes ago, shut up meg said:

One of the better together leaders thought the same, SLAB have got their just deserts for electing clowns like this.

 

Speaking of Johann Lamount this must be the worst political interview ever to hit our screens

It really is breathtaking how thick she really is and this is coming from the Leader of the party

especially towards end where she gets tied in knots 

 

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4 minutes ago, caledonia said:

Because as part of the eu we would have a equal say as all the other nations

but as part of the uk we get no say

thought you were smarter than this Craig

So if / when we become independent we would then trade that independence away in order for us to have a 'say' in things (but we may still end up getting things we don't necessarily agree with imposed on is - i.e. The tampon tax seeing as it's a current topic of discussion on social media)  as opposed to being able to do what we wanted?

Does not sound like progress to me.

 

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14 minutes ago, caledonia said:

Because as part of the eu we would have a equal say as all the other nations

but as part of the uk we get no say

thought you were smarter than this Craig

Disagree

 

6 minutes ago, For Fecks Sake said:

So if / when we become independent we would then trade that independence away in order for us to have a 'say' in things (but we may still end up getting things we don't necessarily agree with imposed on is - i.e. The tampon tax seeing as it's a current topic of discussion on social media)  as opposed to being able to do what we wanted?

Does not sound like progress to me.

 

Agree

 

4 minutes ago, manboobs109 said:

Get the 'leave a light on' chat to fuck. Really humiliating. 

Agree

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20 minutes ago, CraigHill said:

Why is Sturgeon so desperate to give away part of our newly secured independence to the EU?

You'll have to ask her. 

20 minutes ago, CraigHill said:

Why not be properly independent and govern ourselves? 

You said we "can't" do it. Or do we now agree that what you said previously was nonsense? 

 

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10 minutes ago, For Fecks Sake said:

So if / when we become independent we would then trade that independence away in order for us to have a 'say' in things (but we may still end up getting things we don't necessarily agree with imposed on is - i.e. The tampon tax seeing as it's a current topic of discussion on social media)  as opposed to being able to do what we wanted?

Does not sound like progress to me.

 

You do know Scotland already abolished paying for sanitary products while in the EU also notice Joe Pike agreed with you so presumably he did not know as well

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-51629880

 

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11 minutes ago, caledonia said:

You do know Scotland already abolished paying for sanitary products while in the EU also notice Joe Pike agreed with you so presumably he did not know as well

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-51629880

 

I know that they are now 'free' in Scotland  but most women will still opt to buy them in shops and supermarkets as the legal duty is only on local authorities to ensure anyone who needs period products can obtain them for free - how that's actually implemented is up to each local authority.

Those that continue to buy them would still have to pay a tax on them if the UK was still in the EU.

What about the other aspects of my response about giving up our ability to create our own rules as opposed to only having a 'say'?

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13 minutes ago, Parklife said:

You'll have to ask her. 

You said we "can't" do it. Or do we now agree that what you said previously was nonsense? 

 

Sturgeons actions in whoring Scotland to the EU admit that she doesn’t believe we can go it alone, otherwise that would surely be her plan?

if she is portraying EU membership as part of our “independence” plan then yes, the suggestion coming from our leaders is that we can’t do it by going it alone.

It’s her actions that give that impression.

She might change tact and actually wish to seek true independence for Scotland but at the moment it’s not looking like it’s actually in the SNP’s thoughts - Blackford embarrassed himself in Parliament on the same topic the other day.

 

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33 minutes ago, CraigHill said:

Sturgeons actions in whoring Scotland to the EU admit that she doesn’t believe we can go it alone, otherwise that would surely be her plan?

if she is portraying EU membership as part of our “independence” plan then yes, the suggestion coming from our leaders is that we can’t do it by going it alone.

It’s her actions that give that impression.

She might change tact and actually wish to seek true independence for Scotland but at the moment it’s not looking like it’s actually in the SNP’s thoughts - Blackford embarrassed himself in Parliament on the same topic the other day.

 

You're confusing "can't" with what she thinks is best. 

For example, I think the UK is better off in the EU. I don't think the UK "can't" survive outwith it. Pretty massive difference, I'm sure you'll agree. 

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