Scottish Independence Referendum 2

[Misers Hill]

On 1/10/2021 at 5:35 PM, Bluto10 said:

yeah makes sense for 4year team govt elections. 
 

but not permanent ones like indy \ brexit

sone folk live away temporarily 

likewise short term incomes shouldn’t have long term say in the matter

 

On 1/10/2021 at 7:04 PM, Henry said:

^^^
Politics

LOL

Ehs trying tae break it gently tae hir....sucked eh life oot eh ????weans

[Parklife]

 

[Clydeside_Sheep]

Good article:

https://wingsoverscotland.com/everything-falls-apart/

Seems like the taxpayer funded an illegal SNP witness coaching scheme also, the latest info in this scandal.

And look at Sturgeon resorting to disseminating sexist tropes via twitter bots, to try and save her greasy skin.

Over the years I have seen plenty of political incompetents and liars, but never - till now - a regime which has itself tried to imprison an innocent man.  Sturgeon's regime is all 3 of these things.

Voting for such a regime is immoral, as well as stupid.

 

 

[Parklife]

6 minutes ago, Clydeside_Sheep said:

 

Voting for such a regime is immoral, as well as stupid.

 

 

Would it be less or more immoral than supporting and funding an organisation that has, on many occasions, overlooked its own members fucking wee boys? 

[Clydeside_Sheep]

14 minutes ago, Parklife said:

Would it be less or more immoral than supporting and funding an organisation that has, on many occasions, overlooked its own members fucking wee boys? 

More immoral. 

(There is no real equivalent, of course.  People choose to support a malign, dishonest and corrupt regime - whereas I don't "choose" to support the Catholic Church, rather I *am* a Catholic)

[Clydeside_Sheep]

14 minutes ago, rocket_scientist said:

What's worse? That or covering up the buggering of minors?

Did you see the Oscar-winning Spotlight?

(i) both are repugnant: but no Catholic would ever vote for the buggering of minors, while some separatists *will* knowingly vote for a malign, dishonest and corrupt regime.  That is both immoral and stupid.

(ii) no.

[Sonoftherock]

13 minutes ago, Clydeside_Sheep said:

 

(There is no real equivalent, of course.  People choose to support a malign, dishonest and corrupt regime - whereas I don't "choose" to support the Catholic Church, rather I *am* a Catholic)

 

This statement just about sums up the majority of people I've met from Lanarkshire. Of course it's a choice!  The notion that you are somehow born a Protestant or Catholic - almost trying to equate it with something inherent like race - is utterly mental!  The whole thing is a complete fantasy!    

[Parklife]

15 minutes ago, Clydeside_Sheep said:

More immoral. 

Stopped reading here. Tells me all I need to know about you. 

[Clydeside_Sheep]

Just now, Sonoftherock said:

 

This statement just about sums up the majority of people I've met from Lanarkshire. Of course it's a choice!  The notion that you are somehow born a Protestant or Catholic - almost trying to equate it with something like race - is utterly mental!  The whole thing is a complete fantasy!    

I see your point, but lets not distract from the main issue here, which is how could anyone vote for the current SNP regime in good conscience.

(as an aside, fundamental beliefs of any type are not really a choice - for example I could not just 'choose' to be an atheist).

[Clydeside_Sheep]

1 minute ago, Parklife said:

Stopped reading here. Tells me all I need to know about you. 

Do engage with the topic at hand Parky.  When your beloved regime is attacked, you immediately resort to casting up clerical abuse.  Is there really nothing you can find to say in Sturgeons defence?

Let's not forget, it wasn't that long ago that the SNP Cabinet attempted to make inroads to the "buggering teen boys" market itself.  Another string to their bow.

 

[NEM]

7 minutes ago, Sonoftherock said:

 

This statement just about sums up the majority of people I've met from Lanarkshire. Of course it's a choice!  The notion that you are somehow born a Protestant or Catholic - almost trying to equate it with something inherent like race - is utterly mental!  The whole thing is a complete fantasy!    

Surely the fact they are born into and then indoctrinated into it should give them a clue that it's bullshit.  If they were so sure it was real they'd leave folk to decide for themselves once old enough.

[Parklife]

1 minute ago, Clydeside_Sheep said:

Do engage with the topic at hand Parky.  When your beloved regime is attacked, you immediately resort to casting up clerical abuse. 
 

"beloved regime"? No idea what that's meant to mean. 

I cast that up as your comment was so ridiculously over the top and implied you have a moral superiority over someone because they may in future vote for a different political party. This is hard to not laugh at coming from you, someone who's made excuses for some within the Catholic Church abusing children. 

1 minute ago, Clydeside_Sheep said:

Is there really nothing you can find to say in Sturgeons defence?

Why would I be defending it when I've said it looks like Salmond has been set up? 

1 minute ago, Clydeside_Sheep said:

Let's not forget, it wasn't that long ago that the SNP Cabinet attempted to make inroads to the "buggering teen boys" market itself.  Another string to their bow.

No idea what that's meant to mean? Are you referring to Derek McKay? Because he was sacked.

If he was a priest he'd just have been moved to a different position in the same organisation. 

[Henry]

16 minutes ago, Clydeside_Sheep said:

I could not just 'choose' to be an atheist

You should, it's a great laugh. 

[NEM]

6 minutes ago, Parklife said:

No idea what that's meant to mean? Are you referring to Derek McKay? Because he was sacked.

 

Resigned

[Parklife]

1 minute ago, NEM said:

Resigned

Thanks for the correction. 

[caledonia]

1 hour ago, Clydeside_Sheep said:

Good article:

https://wingsoverscotland.com/everything-falls-apart/

Seems like the taxpayer funded an illegal SNP witness coaching scheme also, the latest info in this scandal.

And look at Sturgeon resorting to disseminating sexist tropes via twitter bots, to try and save her greasy skin.

Over the years I have seen plenty of political incompetents and liars, but never - till now - a regime which has itself tried to imprison an innocent man.  Sturgeon's regime is all 3 of these things.

Voting for such a regime is immoral, as well as stupid.

 

 

But you have never read Wings and never intend to.

Were you lying then or are you lying now

everyone knows that we will never get indy with the likes of Sturgeon and Cosy Pete Wishart running the show and that is before i start on the Gender brigade.

 

Having said that i would vote for a turd if it meant independence was the result.

 

[maryhilldon]

2 hours ago, Clydeside_Sheep said:

 

(as an aside, fundamental beliefs of any type are not really a choice - for example I could not just 'choose' to be an atheist).

Nobody is born with an innate belief in God,  you were indoctrinated and brainwashed.  You could easily choose to consider it all nonsense, rather than worship an imaginary sky wizard. I honestly believe religious faith is a form of mental illness,  your brain doesn't work properly,  you can't distinguish between fantasy and reality. 

[Ke1t]

19 minutes ago, maryhilldon said:

Nobody is born with an innate belief in God,  you were indoctrinated and brainwashed.  You could easily choose to consider it all nonsense, rather than worship an imaginary sky wizard. I honestly believe religious faith is a form of mental illness,  your brain doesn't work properly,  you can't distinguish between fantasy and reality. 

Concise and accurate assessment. 

[Jocky Balboa]

3 hours ago, Clydeside_Sheep said:

I see your point, but lets not distract from the main issue here, which is how could anyone vote for the current SNP regime in good conscience.

(as an aside, fundamental beliefs of any type are not really a choice - for example I could not just 'choose' to be an atheist).

While we're on opposing sides of the constitutional question, I do enjoy engaging with you on many issues. You are correct that there is a moral dilemma which needs to be addressed now, in light of recent developments. I've been slated many a time from other independence supporters, including on here, for going against the "SNP until independence" mantra. It is my staunch view that it is this very thinking which has created a generation of hangers-on and careerists within the SNP. People who have little priority for such a battle as independence, or indeed any difficult issues of the day, instead being content to collect easy and lucrative paychecks, safe in the knowledge many happy clappers will forgive them pretty much anything.

Now that the truth many of us have openly suspected for some time - that the Sturrell mafia are both lukewarm on independence and corrupt to their core - has come to light, the question the wider independence movement must ask itself, is just how far they're willing to go to achieve their goal. Would they be content to be led by a pair of Poundshop Ceaucescus, who conspired to throw an innocent man in jail for the rest of his life (thus damaging things for genuine sexual assault victims) and if so, are they any better than the corrupt system they wish to escape from?

If independence means transgender nutters rewrite biology and erase women's rights, see people imprisoned for "hate speech" and political opponents silenced of worse, then that's not something I wish to pursue, for it would be a pyrrhic victory at best and rank hypocrisy at worst. The grassroots movement must purge these nutters or it's off the table for a generation, just when momentum is there and they face (in typical Scottish form) snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

[Fridge]

29 minutes ago, Ke1t said:

Concise and accurate assessment. 

I’m nae so sure, I believe it to be total nonesense and in science but I have still yet to get my head round how the Universe just appeared from nowhere.
 

Where did the atoms and molecules etc Come from  in the first place for the Big Bang.Fuck knows too complicated for me.

 

[frankie_mac's_4]

1 minute ago, Fridge said:

I’m nae so sure, I believe it to be total nonesense and in science but I have still yet to get my head round how the Universe just appeared from nowhere.
 

Where did the atoms and molecules etc come from etc in the first place for the Big Bang.Fuck knows too complicated for me.

 

Bible min, it's all in Genesis. All pretty straightforward, ask thoan Clydeside boy

[Fridge]

Fuck Phil Collins

[The Cockney Don]

5 minutes ago, Fridge said:

Fuck Phil Collins

Would Joan.

[Ke1t]

5 minutes ago, Fridge said:

I’m nae so sure, I believe it to be total nonesense and in science but I have still yet to get my head round how the Universe just appeared from nowhere.
 

Where did the atoms and molecules etc Come from  in the first place for the Big Bang.Fuck knows too complicated for me.

 

I've no idea how the universe began, but I don't have to know. 

Religion pretends to know the answer.

Here's the thing about religion... it pretends, or pretended, to know lots of things it hadn't the first fucking clue about. 

Thunder... that'll be god. 

Lightning... god again. 

Tidal systems... god. 

volcanoes... GOOOOOOOOOD!

Science comes along and says, BULLFUCKINSHIT! 

So Religion became a series of fallback positions as science uncovers how the universe works. 

If you fill in the unknown stuff with god then all you have is a god of the gaps (in knowledge) fallacy.

You might as well attribute those gaps to the work of underpants gnomes or gremlins. 

Gravity...underpants gnomes. 

[frankie_mac's_4]

9 minutes ago, The Cockney Don said:

Would Joan.

Nancy Pelosi's got bigger bangers

[Don Fonte]

4 hours ago, Clydeside_Sheep said:

I see your point, but lets not distract from the main issue here, which is how could anyone vote for the current SNP regime in good conscience.

(as an aside, fundamental beliefs of any type are not really a choice - for example I could not just 'choose' to be an atheist).

Are your parents Catholic?

[maryhilldon]

8 minutes ago, rocket_scientist said:

 

Man has never and will never be able to explain everything. 

Have you met Parky? 

[frankie_mac's_4]

^ some very pertinent points in that. 

I read Homo Deus recently which alludes to the spirituality / religion dichotomy humanity is going through.

Try that @Fridge 7/10 no tits

[Ohjimmyjimmy]

2 hours ago, rocket_scientist said:

Part of wisdom is learning what is knowable and what can't be "knowed". Certain things are a waste of time trying to get our heads around.

This is my problem with science and atheism. Some subscribe to the arrogance of man and believe that science can eventually come up with all the answers. Atheists are also highly arrogant, like they have certainty that there is no room to recognise spirituality, let alone exploring what it might be and how it might relate to us. It is their absolute position that puts them in the same boat as the religious. They are limited by being in a boat, albeit at opposite ends. The pious and the atheists fail to see the sea.

Man has never and will never be able to explain everything. 

Part in bold reminds me of this from Tolstoy:

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him“

[Joe pike]

Lot of brainwashed people.

Take an earthquake.

Rescuers find a couple of kids alive underneath rubble.Everybody shouts praise be to god,it's a miracle.

So he just murdered the thousands that died then?