Scottish Independence Referendum 2

[daytripping]

10 hours ago, Sooper-hanz said:

With the greatest of respect Dayts, they didn't vote for a no deal today.They voted against the proposed deal. 

Which if it didn't pass would have resulted in a no deal, the very thing they warned would be a disaster. They made an arse of it imo. Made themselves look very stupid and petty.

[The Buzzard]

10 hours ago, daytripping said:

What's the snp supporters view of them voting for a no deal today, seems a bizarre stance to me, not sure why they'd vote for something they campaigned against.

Why was the debate in Holyrood even required, wasn't a decision they could change.

 

10 hours ago, Sooper-hanz said:

With the greatest of respect Dayts, they didn't vote for a no deal today.They voted against the proposed deal. 

You two aren't speaking at crossed purposes, are you?

I thought Dayts was talking about the vote and debate at Holyrood, and SH, you're talking about the SNP in Westminster voting against the Bill being passed to ratify the trade deal with EU?

 

[The Buzzard]

1 minute ago, Sooper-hanz said:

I thought ol’ Dayts was on about Westminster, yes. 

You might be right. I may have read you both incorrectly. 

[Joe pike]

4 hours ago, daytripping said:

Which if it didn't pass would have resulted in a no deal, the very thing they warned would be a disaster. They made an arse of it imo. Made themselves look very stupid and petty.

The same SNP campaigned against the EU in 1975.Some of their quotes were that Scotland would be dragged into the EU and this would be a financial disaster for Scotland with them treating us as a backwater.

Regards the fishing the SNP would happily hand back control to the EU.

Remember as well that if we were still in the EU we would not have seen any vaccines until over 3 weeks later due to their beurocracy.In fact originally they were'nt due to approve it until the new year.

Also the Oxford vaccine that Sturgeon is banging on about would not be available through the EU.

 

[Clydeside_Sheep]

Boris has delivered what everyone said was impossible, a brexit agreement which allows tariff-free access to EU markets, while being outside EU regulatory orbit and free to make our own trade deals with other nations (85% of the worlds economy is outside the EU and now ripe for the plucking).

Remember, at the time of the referendum, we were told that even just voting to leave would trigger an immediate economic shock and fire would fall from the sky etc.  The lies and media conditioning wrt the EU should be clear to all by now.

Anyway, Boris' success has shafted rat-bag Sturgeon, who is now left offering voters a bleak existence as a backwater outside of both the EU and UK markets. 

That, in her first response, she was left mumbling about the Erasmus student scheme and £100m of seed potato exports clearly broadcasts how good the deal is.  The Erasmus scheme benefited a few 100 privileged Scots students per annum, from affluent middle class families who can afford to send their kid to study abroad for a year.  Big wow.  And £100m of seed potatos is small fry, compared to the £400m (and rising) the SNP has blown on its white elephants of Prestwick Airport, Ferguson Marine and BiFab.

By now the SNP are just "the contrary party" - there is no coherent thread in their decision making and actions, other than always seeking to take the opposite line to the UK Government.   E.g. they claimed "no deal" would be a disaster, but then yesterday actually voted to inflict "no deal" on Scotland and wider UK, via rejecting the solid agreement which had been made. 

Also, Sturgeon claims the agreement is "a betrayal" of Scottish fishermen, even though her own policies would ultimately see Scotland returned to the EU's hated Common Fishery Policy, giving away once again the larger catches and ultimate control which the UK Government has secured for Scotland.  Strange that she would rather jobs and money generated by Scottish resources would go to France, Spain etc than to Scotland. 

When you review what they say and do, its clear they do not have a lot of respect for the intellect of those who vote for them.  Nor do they reliably act in Scotland's interests, as we have seen Westminster do  here.

Anyway the Fishermen get 25% of the EU' catch added to their own over a 5 year transition period, (the c*nts had wanted 40 years of transition!), and then the UK takes full sovereign control of its own waters and can elect to negotiate / sell access to EU nations.  Already things are gearing up with £100m to be spend to modernise the fishing fleet.  The UK Government want to run the scheme directly, as they do not trust the SNP to properly deliver Brexit benefits to the people.

The Centre for Economic and Business Research predicts that the UK will outperform the EU over the next 15 years.  In that period our economy should grow ~25% larger than that of France, and be on course to over-take Germany by 2040.

So, good times ahead for British Scotland and the rest of the UK.  The pretend-independence punted by the SNP becomes an ever-more obscure vanity project, the sell-by date of which was in the 1970s.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Bluto10]

what was the ‘deal’ in the end?

 

 

not followed it.

[frankie_mac's_4]

Noel Gallagher's High Flying Turds

[frankie_mac's_4]

Phil Colons.

[caledonia]

17 hours ago, daytripping said:

What's the snp supporters view of them voting for a no deal today, seems a bizarre stance to me, not sure why they'd vote for something they campaigned against.

Why was the debate in Holyrood even required, wasn't a decision they could change.

Probably because of this

 

 

[CraigHill]

So the push for independence from the SNP when they win the next election is to grab our freedom, then use that freedom and give chunks of it away to become part of the EU???

Cut our ties with a union we do most of our trade with to get into bed with another union that we do much less trade with.

This just admits that we can’t go it alone and independence isn’t really the goal.

Yet the saltire face paint wearers will be lapping it up in order to get away from the English. They’ll be wearing saltire on one cheek and EU flag on t’other.

[Don Fonte]

3 hours ago, CraigHill said:

So the push for independence from the SNP when they win the next election is to grab our freedom, then use that freedom and give chunks of it away to become part of the EU???

Cut our ties with a union we do most of our trade with to get into bed with another union that we do much less trade with.

This just admits that we can’t go it alone and independence isn’t really the goal.

Yet the saltire face paint wearers will be lapping it up in order to get away from the English. They’ll be wearing saltire on one cheek and EU flag on t’other.

Fuck off you baldy poofter. Not in the slightest bit funny.

[WesthillWanderersFC]

3 hours ago, CraigHill said:

So the push for independence from the SNP when they win the next election is to grab our freedom, then use that freedom and give chunks of it away to become part of the EU???

Cut our ties with a union we do most of our trade with to get into bed with another union that we do much less trade with.

This just admits that we can’t go it alone and independence isn’t really the goal.

Yet the saltire face paint wearers will be lapping it up in order to get away from the English. They’ll be wearing saltire on one cheek and EU flag on t’other.

Away & lick Ruth Davidson’s hairy 1970’s minge 

[Henry]

I see Sturgeon and Swinney giving it all that ‘leave a light on for us EU’ on Twitter. 

[CraigHill]

50 minutes ago, Don Fonte said:

Fuck off you baldy poofter. Not in the slightest bit funny.

But this fucking cringeworthy tweet from the FM is hilarious.......Independence my arse.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/1344780841445154817?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

[Don Fonte]

7 minutes ago, CraigHill said:

But this fucking cringeworthy tweet from the FM is hilarious.......Independence my arse.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/1344780841445154817?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

It's New Year's Day min. Crack open a beer.

[NEM]

52 minutes ago, Henry said:

I see Sturgeon and Swinney giving it all that ‘leave a light on for us EU’ on Twitter. 

Cringe 

[Parklife]

5 hours ago, CraigHill said:

This just admits that we can’t go it alone 

 

What a fucking loser. Do you still live with mummy & daddy? 

[CraigHill]

7 minutes ago, Parklife said:

What a fucking loser. Do you still live with mummy & daddy? 

Ouch. So hurtful.

[caledonia]

5 hours ago, CraigHill said:

So the push for independence from the SNP when they win the next election is to grab our freedom, then use that freedom and give chunks of it away to become part of the EU???

Cut our ties with a union we do most of our trade with to get into bed with another union that we do much less trade with.

This just admits that we can’t go it alone and independence isn’t really the goal.

Yet the saltire face paint wearers will be lapping it up in order to get away from the English. They’ll be wearing saltire on one cheek and EU flag on t’other.

we will have more say and unionists cant now argue about trade offs because Scotland as part of the EU would have to get same deal
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[Parklife]

1 hour ago, CraigHill said:

Ouch. So hurtful.

Not meant to be hurtful. Just pointing out the utterly pathetic nature of what you wrote. A guy who believes Scotland are uniquely placed as the only country on earth who're incapable of governing themselves. You and anyone else who believes that are losers. 

This isnt the same as people thinking that Scotland is best placed within the UK. I disagree with that but respect the differing opinion. 

Imagine thinking the people of Scotland cant look after themselves... ?

[shut up meg]

12 minutes ago, Parklife said:

Not meant to be hurtful. Just pointing out the utterly pathetic nature of what you wrote. A guy who believes Scotland are uniquely placed as the only country on earth who're incapable of governing themselves. You and anyone else who believes that are losers. 

This isnt the same as people thinking that Scotland is best placed within the UK. I disagree with that but respect the differing opinion. 

Imagine thinking the people of Scotland cant look after themselves... ?

One of the better together leaders thought the same, SLAB have got their just deserts for electing clowns like this.

 

[CraigHill]

32 minutes ago, Parklife said:

Not meant to be hurtful. Just pointing out the utterly pathetic nature of what you wrote. A guy who believes Scotland are uniquely placed as the only country on earth who're incapable of governing themselves. You and anyone else who believes that are losers. 

This isnt the same as people thinking that Scotland is best placed within the UK. I disagree with that but respect the differing opinion. 

Imagine thinking the people of Scotland cant look after themselves... ?

Why is Sturgeon so desperate to give away part of our newly secured independence to the EU?

Why not be properly independent and govern ourselves? 

Either she doesn’t really want independence, or doesn’t believe it’s possible with the cards at her disposal to secure a suitable trade deal, hence she’s whoring Scotland out to the EU and offering up Independence light.

[caledonia]

2 minutes ago, CraigHill said:

Why is Sturgeon so desperate to give away part of our newly secured independence to the EU?

Why not be properly independent and govern ourselves? 

Either she doesn’t really want independence, or doesn’t believe it’s possible with the cards at her disposal to secure a suitable trade deal, hence she’s whoring Scotland out to the EU and offering up Independence light.

Because as part of the eu we would have a equal say as all the other nations

but as part of the uk we get no say

thought you were smarter than this Craig

[caledonia]

41 minutes ago, shut up meg said:

One of the better together leaders thought the same, SLAB have got their just deserts for electing clowns like this.

 

Speaking of Johann Lamount this must be the worst political interview ever to hit our screens

It really is breathtaking how thick she really is and this is coming from the Leader of the party

especially towards end where she gets tied in knots 

 

[For Fecks Sake]

4 minutes ago, caledonia said:

Because as part of the eu we would have a equal say as all the other nations

but as part of the uk we get no say

thought you were smarter than this Craig

So if / when we become independent we would then trade that independence away in order for us to have a 'say' in things (but we may still end up getting things we don't necessarily agree with imposed on is - i.e. The tampon tax seeing as it's a current topic of discussion on social media)  as opposed to being able to do what we wanted?

Does not sound like progress to me.

 

[manboobs109]

Get the 'leave a light on' chat to fuck. Really humiliating. 

[Joe pike]

14 minutes ago, caledonia said:

Because as part of the eu we would have a equal say as all the other nations

but as part of the uk we get no say

thought you were smarter than this Craig

Disagree

 

6 minutes ago, For Fecks Sake said:

So if / when we become independent we would then trade that independence away in order for us to have a 'say' in things (but we may still end up getting things we don't necessarily agree with imposed on is - i.e. The tampon tax seeing as it's a current topic of discussion on social media)  as opposed to being able to do what we wanted?

Does not sound like progress to me.

 

Agree

 

4 minutes ago, manboobs109 said:

Get the 'leave a light on' chat to fuck. Really humiliating. 

Agree

[Parklife]

20 minutes ago, CraigHill said:

Why is Sturgeon so desperate to give away part of our newly secured independence to the EU?

You'll have to ask her. 

20 minutes ago, CraigHill said:

Why not be properly independent and govern ourselves? 

You said we "can't" do it. Or do we now agree that what you said previously was nonsense? 

 

[caledonia]

10 minutes ago, For Fecks Sake said:

So if / when we become independent we would then trade that independence away in order for us to have a 'say' in things (but we may still end up getting things we don't necessarily agree with imposed on is - i.e. The tampon tax seeing as it's a current topic of discussion on social media)  as opposed to being able to do what we wanted?

Does not sound like progress to me.

 

You do know Scotland already abolished paying for sanitary products while in the EU also notice Joe Pike agreed with you so presumably he did not know as well

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-51629880

 

[Joe pike]

13 minutes ago, caledonia said:

You do know Scotland already abolished paying for sanitary products while in the EU also notice Joe Pike agreed with you so presumably he did not know as well

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-51629880

 

 

 

What a fanny