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Scottish Independence Referendum 2

Should Scotland be an independent country?  

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  1. 1. Should Scotland be an independent country?

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21 minutes ago, rocket_scientist said:

Despise the vibe in that place.

I thought Stuart Clarkson owned the Bielder and Soul and others (started with the Cotton Club)? Wank. Tory. 

I could be wrong but i remember someone telling me it was Woods son that owned it when it got a make over 

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1 hour ago, rocket_scientist said:

Despise the vibe in that place.

I thought Stuart Clarkson owned the Bielder and Soul and others (started with the Cotton Club)? Wank. Tory. 

You are correct it is Clarkson not the Woods.

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Somebody I know has a real vendetta against the clarksons. Fuck knows why, but there are some really ill feelings towards them. 

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2 hours ago, rocket_scientist said:

Trade Unions. A boon or a bane for the people? Overall in the 21st century, I'd say they're more bad than good. 50+ years ago, I would have had the opposite view.

Scotland's brand of trade unionism, like Liverpool's and Len McCluskey's, is particularly ugly. Good to hear them supporting the right cause though. 

Unfortunately they are full of Marxist / Trotskyite troublemakers these days, who tend to elect caviar Communist leaders who lap up huge salaries while doing little for the working class other than empty sloganeering and virtue signalling pish.

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1 minute ago, Studebaker-90 said:

Somebody I know has a real vendetta against the clarksons. Fuck knows why, but there are some really ill feelings towards them. 

I'm also aware of some deep hatred towards him personally. Never done me any harm but I have been in his places enough to want to avoid them. Didn't know he owned So (on the corner opposite Soul) until we went to their first week of their collaboration with the Chinese in Bon-Accord Crescent. Food was good, service wasn't but it was the European lassie's first night and she obviously hadn't been trained or advised properly so we would've given it another try... until we seen Clarkson at the door. I didn't know who the cunt was, just a creepy kind of fucker but my wife knew him and particularly his sister (who died of alcohol) and isn't a fan. That, coupled with what I've heard about him was enough to kill off any chance of spending any dough with him. Went to the Soul Fish restaurant when it opened (before I knew he had it) and it was terrible service (despite being empty) and where my wife's sole was very good, the dressing on my lobster was so bland, had zero ginger and zero chilli, or whatever it was supposed to be. Didn't complain, just decided not to tip and never to return. 

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28 minutes ago, Studebaker-90 said:

Somebody I know has a real vendetta against the clarksons. Fuck knows why, but there are some really ill feelings towards them. 

Same boy that bummed one of their missuses bumhole? 
 

I don’t like the ginger tosser one who swanned about soul casino thinking he’s Archie (when he’s quite clearly nothing of the sort) 

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On 10/16/2020 at 11:31 PM, rocket_scientist said:

There is no right or left. These are anachronisms of a yesteryear. Nazis, white supremicists, black activists, fascists, anti-fascists, they're all just people with a cross to burn (literally in the case of the KKK).

Who are you referring to who "stand for peace and equal rights, freedom for all"?

I think the old left Vs right dichotomy is as narrow as it is (in the post-Cold War era) outdated. For me, the ideological battlegrounds of the future will be primarily focussed on liberty Vs authority, as Orwell and Huxley et al so alluded.

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5 minutes ago, Jocky Balboa said:

I think the old left Vs right dichotomy is as narrow as it is (in the post-Cold War era) outdated. For me, the ideological battlegrounds of the future will be primarily focussed on liberty Vs authority, as Orwell and Huxley et al so alluded.

The battlegrounds are right here right now. Unfortunately the champions of liberty, of free speech, of basic human rights have been heavily defeated in 🇨🇳 and 🇷🇺 and the people of 🇺🇸 and 🇬🇧 are sleepwalking down the same path. 

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14 hours ago, Bad_Mobby said:

Same boy that bummed one of their missuses bumhole? 
 

I don’t like the ginger tosser one who swanned about soul casino thinking he’s Archie (when he’s quite clearly nothing of the sort) 

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Some good points made on all sides, but we are no closer to an actual referendum now than in 2016. I still stand by my prediction from back in late 2016 that the FM and her cabal's Plan A is to kick independence into the long grass and scrape through next year's election, giving them another five years of unbridled and unchallenged power, with pathetic (non-existent) opposition and plenty time to enact more of their MacWoke, nanny state nonsense.

I see nothing to convince me Sturgeon and Murrell will ever deliver independence and in any case, if and when the truth about the Salmond stitch up comes out, they should, if there's any justice, be dining on daily porridge while brushing up on their soap collecting techniques.

 

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3 hours ago, Jocky Balboa said:

Some good points made on all sides, but we are no closer to an actual referendum now than in 2016. I still stand by my prediction from back in late 2016 that the FM and her cabal's Plan A is to kick independence into the long grass and scrape through next year's election, giving them another five years of unbridled and unchallenged power, with pathetic (non-existent) opposition and plenty time to enact more of their MacWoke, nanny state nonsense.

I see nothing to convince me Sturgeon and Murrell will ever deliver independence and in any case, if and when the truth about the Salmond stitch up comes out, they should, if there's any justice, be dining on daily porridge while brushing up on their soap collecting techniques.

 

100% my feelings re the woke and indy kicked down the road.

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7 hours ago, Jocky Balboa said:

Some good points made on all sides, but we are no closer to an actual referendum now than in 2016. I still stand by my prediction from back in late 2016 that the FM and her cabal's Plan A is to kick independence into the long grass and scrape through next year's election, giving them another five years of unbridled and unchallenged power, with pathetic (non-existent) opposition and plenty time to enact more of their MacWoke, nanny state nonsense.

I see nothing to convince me Sturgeon and Murrell will ever deliver independence and in any case, if and when the truth about the Salmond stitch up comes out, they should, if there's any justice, be dining on daily porridge while brushing up on their soap collecting techniques.

 

Sturgeon and Murrell = Scotland's pound shop Ceausescus.

SNP voters are single issue voters and so probably the party will continue for now to escape any great loss of support from their poor record of governance.  That cant last forever however and something would have to give.

Apparently They have now published a "2026 plan" to be independent by then.  Its sufficiently close to be exciting to their support but not so close that they actually need to do anything about.

In the current situation the UK Govt might want to call their bluff, say OK have a referendum and then enjoy paying for covid on your own. 

Uk govt should also ensure Scots elsewhere in the UK can vote, in retaliation for the SNP allowing non=citizens / foreign nationals to vote (which is part of the supposed surge, of course).

Sturgeon patently loves being on the telly and loves the sound of her own voice.  She is in clover with these daily COVID briefings.  She has absolutely zero life outside politics however and so I doubt she will want to rush into a referendum where a loss means resignation and a lifetime of sitting at home bored stiff.  She is only 50 after all.

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7 hours ago, Clydeside_Sheep said:

Sturgeon and Murrell = Scotland's pound shop Ceausescus.

SNP voters are single issue voters and so probably the party will continue for now to escape any great loss of support from their poor record of governance.  That cant last forever however and something would have to give.

Apparently They have now published a "2026 plan" to be independent by then.  Its sufficiently close to be exciting to their support but not so close that they actually need to do anything about.

In the current situation the UK Govt might want to call their bluff, say OK have a referendum and then enjoy paying for covid on your own. 

Uk govt should also ensure Scots elsewhere in the UK can vote, in retaliation for the SNP allowing non=citizens / foreign nationals to vote (which is part of the supposed surge, of course).

Sturgeon patently loves being on the telly and loves the sound of her own voice.  She is in clover with these daily COVID briefings.  She has absolutely zero life outside politics however and so I doubt she will want to rush into a referendum where a loss means resignation and a lifetime of sitting at home bored stiff.  She is only 50 after all.

That's an embarrassing post even for you. 

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Tory fears over Nicola Sturgeon's Scottish independence surge were laid bare today in a leaked memo.

An assessment put together by key advisers warns Boris Johnson that he cannot simply keep saying no to the SNP leader's demands for another referendum.

The document from Hanbury strategy bemoans the 'vacuum of leadership' within the unionist movement - and suggests that the PM will need to offer Ms Sturgeon more powers to stave off a catastrophic break-up of the UK.

 

 

The PM can shove more powers.

Scotland will be Independent and have all the powers.

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3 hours ago, Lencarl said:

Tory fears over Nicola Sturgeon's Scottish independence surge were laid bare today in a leaked memo.

An assessment put together by key advisers warns Boris Johnson that he cannot simply keep saying no to the SNP leader's demands for another referendum.

The document from Hanbury strategy bemoans the 'vacuum of leadership' within the unionist movement - and suggests that the PM will need to offer Ms Sturgeon more powers to stave off a catastrophic break-up of the UK.

 

 

The PM can shove more powers.

Scotland will be Independent and have all the powers.

Until their bid to rejoin the EU is accepted (after years of austerity on steroids in order to reduce the deficit to the required 3%)

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On 10/21/2020 at 4:30 AM, maryhilldon said:

That's an embarrassing post even for you. 

Why are you up in the middle of the night, casting aspersions at people  on the internet?

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2 hours ago, Clydeside_Sheep said:

Why are you up in the middle of the night, casting aspersions at people  on the internet?

It's the Hat ffs.  You should know how it works by now. 

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The SNP are becoming more and more of a joke outfit under Krankie MacMerkel and her slimy reptile of a husband. Not content with stitching up Salmond (don't even argue, happy clappers, he's owned up to the leaked WhatsApp messages and the evidence mounts weekly against them) they can't even get their laughable "female only" candidate lists right, as there are now two trannies standing for selection. 

I just wonder how much crap independence supporters are willing to put up with in their 'vote SNP until independent' mantra. I for one don't see how we can stack up morally against our opponents, if we as a YES group are preaching about 'a better nation' but are willing to tolerate corruption and MacWoke nanny state drivel to achieve that end.

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As a side note, it's been said behind the scenes that at least a few of the "Alphabet Sisters" who falsely accused Salmond are standing for selection. Would we as a country be happy with such despicable people in positions of power? False accusers do untold harm to genuine victims of sexual assault, yet they remain behind a cloak of anonymity, even though it was established the events they describe did NOT happen (and in some cases, they weren't even present at the venues in question!).

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And here comes Caledonia to completely ignore your comments and instead post a link to the national that points out how things down south are ten times as bad in 3.......2........1.....

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1 minute ago, For Fecks Sake said:

And here comes Caledonia to completely ignore your comments and instead post a link to the national that points out how things down south are ten times as bad in 3.......2........1.....

That's disingenuous, snidey, unfair and most of all untrue. I've had fallouts with him but I understand his politics (or at least I hope I do) and nothing JB has posted is anything he will have a major issue with (if I read it right). He certainly will not be reacting the way you predict he will.

If you've nothing to say, shut the fuck up. You have no value to add to the debate. When the adults are talking, leave the room. You take up too much bandwidth.

JB, excellent points. Hadn't heard alphabet sisters before, that was funny. Much as I agree with all your principal points and much as Mr. Nippy has been abominable in this, let's not forget the old proverb; there's no smoke without fire. Salmond did nothing wrong LEGALLY but his conduct towards women was totally creepy and unworthy of our national leader. Nor can we absolve him of blame due to the remarkable unattractiveness of the mother-figure that he married. He had been abusing his position of power his whole life, or at least trying to, spectacularly unsuccessfully on many occasions as we learned in court. It wasn't criminal but some people in the very small-minded SNP could not forgive and forget. Their vengeance blew up in their face. The whole sordid affair did more damage than good, to everyone involved. 

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19 minutes ago, rocket_scientist said:

That's disingenuous, snidey, unfair and most of all untrue. I've had fallouts with him but I understand his politics (or at least I hope I do) and nothing JB has posted is anything he will have a major issue with (if I read it right). He certainly will not be reacting the way you predict he will.

If you've nothing to say, shut the fuck up. You have no value to add to the debate. When the adults are talking, leave the room. You take up too much bandwidth.

You really are a fud min 😂

Anyhow that's me back to not posting much again as I look to finish off what has been an excellent 2 week holiday taking a well deserved break from work.

Bugger, just given you a golden opportunity there to wax lyrical about all the amazing places you have been on holiday and why they have all been better holidays than anyone elses as well as how whatever the fuck it is you do for a job will obviously be a far better job than mine.

 
To be fair I can only dream of buying cars paying cash like you do so perhaps you have a point.

Till next time 🥃

 

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Learn your station mutant, learn your place.

You can take the shit out of the BoD...

But they'll always be better in Mastrick and Hilton. 
 

 

(maybe not Tilly or Rubislaw Den right enuf)

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2 minutes ago, maryhilldon said:

Salmond's one of the good guys.  Just a bit tactile after a sesh. 

Baron Greenback and Boris the clown would be some team out on the town, mopping up the bitches. 

 

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