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Scottish Independence Referendum 2

Should Scotland be an independent country?  

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  1. 1. Should Scotland be an independent country?

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On 10/16/2020 at 8:00 AM, caledonia said:

I hate the SNP just now with their obsession over GRA and also Hate crime bill will be a shambles for twitter, facebook and also this site with the way its worded.

Also the Alex Salmond stitch Up does not sit well either.

But i realise the only way to get independence is through the SNP for now anyway even though i am not 100% convinced after 4 mandates they are as keen as the independence movement to do it sooner rather than later.

Where unionists fail is they always come up with things every other country in the world manage fine as excuses for Scotland being independent like currency and deficits etc etc.

 

 

1 hour ago, For Fecks Sake said:

And here comes Caledonia to completely ignore your comments and instead post a link to the national that points out how things down south are ten times as bad in 3.......2........1.....

Actually said the same thing but don't let that get in the way of your agenda.

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I must admit, though I'm far from Wings over Scotland's biggest fan, they have a guest post today from a YES supporter who has exposed Shirley Anne Somerville as the kind of trougher that would make some Westminster types blush. Recommended reading, but what I recommend even more is some reflection from fellow independence supporters and a few rhetorical questions along the lines of;

Is the current SNP leadership a fair reflection of the kind of country we want to build? Is the GRA and Hate Crime Bill the sort of authoritarian nonsense befitting a movement that so often derides the UK establishment for its own authoritarianism?

The Sturgeon and Murrell cabal have, as many of us predicted since 2016, kicked independence down the long grass and squandered several mandates. Are you happy to believe them when they point at May 2021 and say "just one more mandate"?

Given the stench of corruption Sturgeon and Murrell are involved in over stitching up Salmond, is it morally acceptable to "wait until independence, then sort it out"? Should we not be ever more diligent in weeding out bad people, as an example of the country we want to build, as opposed to utilising these types and their insidious tactics for one goal? If so, how do we stack up against WM morally? Are we any better than them?

I stand by what I've said since 2016, that the present SNP leadership won't deliver independence, but if they do remain in power then i think we need to take a good, long hard look at ourselves. 

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No doubt the mainstream media will have a field day with this, but even YES supporters are seeing through Krankie's Kabal for what they are:

https://wingsoverscotland.com/youve-been-robbed/

It was always going to end in tears, as the SNP went from being a party with a single aim, to being the de facto Scottish establishment. The influx of New Labour refugees between 2013-15 told its own story, now they're utterly infested with some real trash.

They have potty mouthed NEDs (Mhairi Black) who invite drag queens with explicit websites into primary schools.

Ex-musicians who peddled third-rate teuchter emo, now turned careerist chancers (Pete Wishart).

The Zionist loving neo-cons (McDonald, Angus Robertson).

Blowhards like "we won't be taken out of the EU against our will" Blackford.

The Islamist nutjob who wants to bury free speech (Humza) with his Hate Crime Bill.

The theatrical jobby jabber Alyn Smith who made "I beg you, chez colleague" speeches in the EU parliament, then shamelessly parachuted into a five year WM seat without so much as a Brexit whimper. His boyfriend "Jordon" is a misogynistic cretin as well.

The faeces frollicking dysmorphic transvestite perverts who dreamed up the GRA and threaten and abuse women who object.

...all of this and Scotland is no closer to independence than in 2015. Oh, I'm sorry, do some of you still believe a Tory PM will grant us another referendum, when their level of humanity is roughly on par with pond amoeba and dog shit? Maybe if the SNP just ask nicely next time? Just one more mandate... 🤔🤣

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Totally agree with above post.

Waiting for a Tory Government who are willing to starve kids and take the flak just agree to a section 30 is crazy.

I have wanted independence all my life and saw the SNP as a great fair party but now after the Salmond stitch up and the GRA bullying and hate crime bill i only see them as a vehicle to indy.

But same with others my patience is running out.

   

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The "vehicle to independence" part is exactly the problem, I'm afraid. They are afforded infinitely more flak from their voters than other parties would ordinarily be, due to their original purpose (and with it, the ability to dangle a carrot at every critical juncture). 

The question is, just how much of this nonsense under Sturgeon and Murrell are people prepared to take? Unionists have their choice of at least 4 parties, but the independence movement has put almost all (except for a few token Green votes) their eggs in one basket and now the eggs are proving increasingly rotten, the basket stinks of rancid keech. Do we throw the basket away and weave another, or deep clean it and refill it with good eggs?

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3 hours ago, Jocky Balboa said:

The "vehicle to independence" part is exactly the problem, I'm afraid. They are afforded infinitely more flak from their voters than other parties would ordinarily be, due to their original purpose (and with it, the ability to dangle a carrot at every critical juncture). 

The question is, just how much of this nonsense under Sturgeon and Murrell are people prepared to take? Unionists have their choice of at least 4 parties, but the independence movement has put almost all (except for a few token Green votes) their eggs in one basket and now the eggs are proving increasingly rotten, the basket stinks of rancid keech. Do we throw the basket away and weave another, or deep clean it and refill it with good eggs?

Get some new chickens, I’d say 

or go for some Ducks/Geese

or get a more durable basket made of plastic or steel 

Edited by Bad_Mobby

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17 hours ago, Jocky Balboa said:

No doubt the mainstream media will have a field day with this, but even YES supporters are seeing through Krankie's Kabal for what they are:

https://wingsoverscotland.com/youve-been-robbed/

It was always going to end in tears, as the SNP went from being a party with a single aim, to being the de facto Scottish establishment. The influx of New Labour refugees between 2013-15 told its own story, now they're utterly infested with some real trash.

They have potty mouthed NEDs (Mhairi Black) who invite drag queens with explicit websites into primary schools.

Ex-musicians who peddled third-rate teuchter emo, now turned careerist chancers (Pete Wishart).

The Zionist loving neo-cons (McDonald, Angus Robertson).

Blowhards like "we won't be taken out of the EU against our will" Blackford.

The Islamist nutjob who wants to bury free speech (Humza) with his Hate Crime Bill.

The theatrical jobby jabber Alyn Smith who made "I beg you, chez colleague" speeches in the EU parliament, then shamelessly parachuted into a five year WM seat without so much as a Brexit whimper. His boyfriend "Jordon" is a misogynistic cretin as well.

The faeces frollicking dysmorphic transvestite perverts who dreamed up the GRA and threaten and abuse women who object.

...all of this and Scotland is no closer to independence than in 2015. Oh, I'm sorry, do some of you still believe a Tory PM will grant us another referendum, when their level of humanity is roughly on par with pond amoeba and dog shit? Maybe if the SNP just ask nicely next time? Just one more mandate... 🤔🤣

 

16 hours ago, caledonia said:

Totally agree with above post.

Waiting for a Tory Government who are willing to starve kids and take the flak just agree to a section 30 is crazy.

I have wanted independence all my life and saw the SNP as a great fair party but now after the Salmond stitch up and the GRA bullying and hate crime bill i only see them as a vehicle to indy.

But same with others my patience is running out.

   

 

Agreed.

If all the shit they have been coming away with over the last couple of years fucks up our chances of self determination, then those cunts deserve to rot in hell.

Fucking gluepots.

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