RedForever Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, Millertime said: Do you genuinely not see why ajer is worth much, much more than mckenna? Apart from anything else he will be on a wage commensurate with a 14m player I am not saying Mckenna is worth the same as Ajer, However by what i have seen from both players over the last couple of years Ajer is not worth anywhere near almost 5 X what Mckenna is. I was more pointing out the fact they way Celtic do thier business and the way Aberdeen do thier business, if the rumoured figures are at least close to being true i think we have let him go too cheaply 1 Link to comment
perthshirered Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 17 minutes ago, starryfish said: He’s a big threat in the opposition box. He was arguably our best central defender from early December until lockdown. He's a bigger threat in his own box though, that's the problem. In the grand scheme of things what he does in the opposition box is completely irrelevant, I'd hazard a guess that not even one single defender has ever been signed for his goalscoring abilities. Arguably our best defender only if you are the only person in the house and you are arguing with yourself. He is an awful footballer. He wouldn't get a game for St Johnstone. Link to comment
WesthillWanderersFC Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, RedForever said: I am not saying Mckenna is worth the same as Ajer, However by what i have seen from both players over the last couple of years Ajer is not worth anywhere near almost 5 X what Mckenna is. I was more pointing out the fact they way Celtic do thier business and the way Aberdeen do thier business, if the rumoured figures are at least close to being true i think we have let him go too cheaply Our best hope is that he does really well & in 12-18 months time, he’s sold to a lower EPL team for the mad prices players go for down there & we bag another £3m-£4m. Link to comment
starryfish Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 12 minutes ago, perthshirered said: He's a bigger threat in his own box though, that's the problem. In the grand scheme of things what he does in the opposition box is completely irrelevant, I'd hazard a guess that not even one single defender has ever been signed for his goalscoring abilities. Arguably our best defender only if you are the only person in the house and you are arguing with yourself. He is an awful footballer. He wouldn't get a game for St Johnstone. I’ve seen a lot worse at Pittodrie than Ash Taylor. Michael Devlin for example. I think Taylor would walk into 9 other Premiership sides, says a lot about the standard of the league though. Link to comment
starryfish Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 34 minutes ago, Millertime said: Is he? Many has he scored this season? I think you are confusing him with Shane Duffy He has scored as many as all of the rest of our defenders have this season. Link to comment
True_Don Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 2 hours ago, aberdeen1970 said: McCrorie out of position plus Ojo in midfield is worse than both Taylor and McCrorie playing in their proper positions I'd say. McCrorie drives the team forward much like Shinnie did giving the defence a bit of time and space. Ojo pulls the midfield deeper putting pressure on the defence. By having McCrorie in midfield, winning the battle in midfield, will do more to reduce our goals scored against tally than putting in Ojo and sticking McCrorie CB... Link to comment
aberdeen1970 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 1 minute ago, True_Don said: By having McCrorie in midfield, winning the battle in midfield, will do more to reduce our goals scored against tally than putting in Ojo and sticking McCrorie CB... Agreed Link to comment
fine-n-dandy Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 13 minutes ago, Millertime said: Yeah but you didn't say the rest of them were a threat in the opposition box, so how many the others have scored is irrelevant here Honestly, what is it with absolute idiots on here So Watkins isn’t a threat either? Link to comment
KentishDon Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Losing McKenna will be a body blow for sure. But there’s worse to come. The day Niall McGinn retires (which I believe he will do from us) will be the day we realise what its really like to lose a class player Link to comment
perthshirered Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 32 minutes ago, starryfish said: He has scored as many as all of the rest of our defenders have this season. Are you unable to grasp the fact that he is a defender? His job is to defend. He can't. Scoring the odd goal is absolutely irrelevant. Link to comment
daytripping Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, KentishDon said: Losing McKenna will be a body blow for sure. But there’s worse to come. The day Niall McGinn retires (which I believe he will do from us) will be the day we realise what its really like to lose a class player Hi Niall. You still wear socks in bed? Link to comment
perthshirered Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 In fact fuck it, let's keep Taylor in the team because I hear he's pretty handy at Ludo and a dab hand at snakes and ladders. 1 Link to comment
WesthillWanderersFC Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 32 minutes ago, Millertime said: Yeah but you didn't say the rest of them were a threat in the opposition box, so how many the others have scored is irrelevant here Honestly, what is it with absolute idiots on here Still believe we won’t get a million quid for McKenna “mate?”? 4 Link to comment
Tord31 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 15 minutes ago, KentishDon said: Losing McKenna will be a body blow for sure. But there’s worse to come. The day Niall McGinn retires (which I believe he will do from us) will be the day we realise what its really like to lose a class player Is this a comedy act? From a huge Niall McGinn fan Link to comment
starryfish Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 16 minutes ago, perthshirered said: Are you unable to grasp the fact that he is a defender? His job is to defend. He can't. Scoring the odd goal is absolutely irrelevant. He’s a perfectly competent Scottish Premiership defender. He’s also always been a scapegoat for any poor Aberdeen performance, hell even his own manager hung him out to dry by hooking him yesterday. 2 Link to comment
WesthillWanderersFC Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Just now, Millertime said: We would get closer to 1.5m than 10m, yeah Still think we WON’T get £1m, “mate”, aye? Clueless cunt 5 1 Link to comment
WesthillWanderersFC Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, starryfish said: He’s a perfectly competent Scottish Premiership defender. He’s also always been a scapegoat for any poor Aberdeen performance, hell even his own manager hung him out to dry by hooking him yesterday. He tactically & performance wise absolutely deserved to be subbed. I think he should’ve made a couple of changes after 25-30 minutes. 1 Link to comment
starryfish Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, WesthillWanderersFC said: He tactically & performance wise absolutely deserved to be subbed. I think he should’ve made a couple of changes after 25-30 minutes. Who should have been replaced? Joe Lewis who made mistakes which led to 2 of the goals? Marley Watkins who missed a sitter from 6 yards? Lewis Ferguson who was anonymous? 1 1 Link to comment
WesthillWanderersFC Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Just now, starryfish said: Who should have been replaced? Joe Lewis who made mistakes which led to 2 of the goals? Marley Watkins who missed a sitter from 6 yards? Lewis Ferguson who was anonymous? You’re right in that it was a collective clusterfuck, and no-one played well, but Taylor was particularly honking. 1 Link to comment
WesthillWanderersFC Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Millertime said: We would get closer to 1.5m than 10m, yeah That’s NOT what you said though, was it? You said we wouldn’t get £1m. £10m is irrelevant to what you said. Apparently it’s 3 times that for definite & potentially 5 times that with maybe more again if he’s sold on. You made a cunt of it, and as usual deflect & deny. 1 Link to comment
redwhitegold Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Has he gone yet? Maybe we could chuck in Ash Taylor as a freebie. Link to comment
starryfish Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 12 minutes ago, WesthillWanderersFC said: You’re right in that it was a collective clusterfuck, and no-one played well, but Taylor was particularly honking. Point being it wasn’t just Taylor at fault yesterday yet he seems to be the fall guy. 1 Link to comment
Clydeside_Sheep Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Is there any firm info on what the bid is? I read its approx £5m, which I think is less than Villa bid previously - showing that its the current situation forcing the deal, rather than the size of the bid. If it is "only" £5m then I hope we have got a healthy sell on clause included. Link to comment
WesthillWanderersFC Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, starryfish said: Point being it wasn’t just Taylor at fault yesterday yet he seems to be the fall guy. I agree with you to an extent. He’s been ok on his return & more steady, but yesterday he was all over the shop. He unfortunately seems to have these games sometimes. Link to comment
WesthillWanderersFC Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, Clydeside_Sheep said: Is there any firm info on what the bid is? I read its approx £5m, which I think is less than Villa bid previously - showing that its the current situation forcing the deal, rather than the size of the bid. If it is "only" £5m then I hope we have got a healthy sell on clause included. According to Scott Burns, £3m up front, potentially leading to £5m with realistic add ons, & in addition a 20% sell on fee. 1 Link to comment
starryfish Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, WesthillWanderersFC said: I agree with you to an extent. He’s been ok on his return & more steady, but yesterday he was all over the shop. He unfortunately seems to have these games sometimes. That’s the level of player we have. Link to comment
WesthillWanderersFC Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, starryfish said: That’s the level of player we have. As a back up, maybe, which he was when McKenna was here. As a first team regular, which he could be now, would be a worry. 1 Link to comment
aberdeen1970 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Taylor is an easy target sometimes but unfortunately he doesn't do himself any favours as his error strewn appearances are just too frequent. 2 Link to comment
Ten Caat Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 In a totally underwhelming last season for the team as a whole.....Taylor was actually one of the few who could say they had been consistently good over the course of it. Some might say surprisingly so. Sadly yesterday gave us a glimpse of the Taylor we all knew might/definitely would resurface eventually. A total clusterfuck of a performance until thankfully McInnes took the correct action (for Taylor's own good as much as the team's) and replaced him with Hoban. Whose presence in the side is every bit as reassuring as Taylor's is worrying. But I also absolutely accept that yesterday's result was not down purely to him alone. Lewis gets revered on here a bit too much....maybe because of some of our recent incumbents of the goalkeeper's jersey we so horrendous that he seems brilliant in comparison. I'd actually posit that Lewis has as many clusterfuck performances each season as Taylor has. And Ojo…...nope just not seeing what McInnes and our scouting team saw in him. EDIT.....and I am still adamant that Lewis is the wrong choice to be team captain. Link to comment
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