Coronavirus

[daytripping]

4 minutes ago, minijc said:

So we should have just ignored this, pretended it didn't exist and we should've kept the country open and allow many more to die, righto, great idea, you'd have loved that though as you'd have been shouting for the SNP/Sturgeon to be jailed for allowing all the bodies to stack up.

Exactly, some years we get a lot of flu deaths in the elderly, it's natures way of thinning them out. This is just another one of them. Sweden did very little and are no worse off than us, they're actually pretty much past it with hardly any news deaths.

You can't hide from things like this, in the Spanish flu in 1918 a whole City sealed itself off, they escaped the flu. Soon as they opened up they got hit harder than anywhere else, it's nature, you can't run from it.

[daytripping]

2 minutes ago, minijc said:

The UK government boats of having a world beating test track and trace system, by now it should be able to cope with this but here we are again seeing them exposed for being the charlatans they are.  Personally I think it makes more sense to get as many as possible tested, especially if they are showing symptoms because if you don't test them and those people continue their 'normal' day to day only to actually have the virus they have then helped spread it even more.  I completely get that some will have colds and bugs but surely it's best to be on the safe side especially when Kawasaki disease can destroy a child. 

Does it give them Motor neurone disease?? lol

Cancer can destroy a child min (and does in hugely larger numbers than Kawasaki, thousands to 1), doesn't mean we test every kid every week.

[minijc]

Just now, daytripping said:

Exactly, some years we get a lot of flu deaths in the elderly, it's natures way of thinning them out. This is just another one of them. Sweden did very little and are no worse off than us.

You absolutely love Sweden but you fail to take in that some, actually quite a lot of residents there took action themselves by working from home, social distancing and wearing masks. What also helps is that their food is boosted with vitamin D, their people on average are healthier and live more active life styles than people in the Uk but still they've had almost 5 times the deaths of Norway, Denmark and Finland COMBINED, their economy is not much better than that of Denmarks and they are not any closer to 'herd immunity' than any other country, so what was the point?

[daytripping]

3 minutes ago, rocket_scientist said:

Sweden and others kept open and suffered less deaths per population than the UK did.

It's a new one on me that social media and the press are to blame for the terrible governance that we have had to endure.

It's the snowflake generation, the something must be done brigade flapping at the 24/7 news coverage.

[minijc]

1 minute ago, daytripping said:

Does it give them Motor neurone disease?? lol

Cancer can destroy a child min (and does in hugely larger numbers than Kawasaki, thousands to 1), doesn't mean we test every kid every week.

Completely forgot that MND and Cancer were airborne viruses, my mistake.

[Foster14]

12 minutes ago, minijc said:

Testing centres have been shut down, capacity cut and labs backed up, it isn't because anyone with a slight cold is going off for a test, that's what they want you to believe.

 

Also if we aren't supposed to care about 3000+ new cases a day then what do we do?  just let them run free, stop reporting on it and hope it goes away?  

My 16 month daughter got tested around 4 weeks ago.  She had a cold, but nursery policy -  no admittance for 2 weeks unless a negative test.  At the test centre, you can imagine the fun of having to try and perform the test yourself on someone that age.

I got the cold off of her, a few days later that lead to a cough along with it.  So that myself and my whole household didn't have to self isolate for days on end, I went and got a test that I knew would come back negative.  

The cough that went with my daughter's cold (most of her cough coming from mucus at the back of her throat) never cleared fully, with her having good and bad days for the weeks since.  Then last week, she had a day where the cough was a bit worse at nursery and they were not keen on her coming back in the next day.  I explained the cough wasn't new but because they hadn't experienced it fully throughout the period, they wanted me to phone 111.  

So went through that process, got asked a whole heap of questions about responsiveness, whether she was conscious on the phone, breathing patterns etc etc, who then referred me to a GP who phone back around an hour later.  Said it sounded like a cold, that they can linger for up to 6 weeks in someone that age, and that the previous test was sufficient, no need to re-test or isolate.

Got her back to nursery a couple of hours late after the manager got authority from the directors.

My mother in law got sent home from her work in an Aberdeenshire Council academy, because she coughed a few times.  Wasn't allowed back without a negative test.  She had a cold that she had picked up from looking after her grandson.

My next door neighbour has had to get her 3 year old son tested once and 10 month old daughter tested twice.  Both colds leading to coughs.

I'm not sure on your first part whether testing capacity is reducing, but I do believe that if there are shortages, it is being caused by the governments saying you need to get tested or self isolate for 2 weeks if you have symptoms that are quite common with many illnesses.  The latter (self-isolation) isn't an option for many, certainly not regularly as different people in a household has these symptoms.  Workplaces, schools and suchlike are all so apprehensive about an outbreak at their premises that they are encouraging people to get tested (by saying don't turn up if you don't).

Something has to be worked out here, as it is only going to get worse over the next few months as these symptoms become more common, particularly in the younger generation.

 

[daytripping]

Just now, minijc said:

You absolutely love Sweden but you fail to take in that some, actually quite a lot of residents there took action themselves by working from home, social distancing and wearing masks. What also helps is that their food is boosted with vitamin D, their people on average are healthier and live more active life styles than people in the Uk but still they've had almost 5 times the deaths of Norway, Denmark and Finland COMBINED, their economy is not much better than that of Denmarks and they are not any closer to 'herd immunity' than any other country, so what was the point?

They are over it with an economy intact, we've not even started the real pain, just wait till Furlough ends, peoples life's devastated to try and save some coffin dodgers at end of life anyway.

[daytripping]

1 minute ago, minijc said:

Completely forgot that MND and Cancer were airborne viruses, my mistake.

The point being the rare disease you quoted is insignificant to cancer in numbers, we don't even mass test for the latter because it wouldn't be feasible, you want kids tested for a disease they barely know they have when they get it.

[thedandydon]

2 minutes ago, minijc said:

The UK government boats of having a world beating test track and trace system, by now it should be able to cope with this but here we are again seeing them exposed for being the charlatans they are.  Personally I think it makes more sense to get as many as possible tested, especially if they are showing symptoms because if you don't test them and those people continue their 'normal' day to day only to actually have the virus they have then helped spread it even more.  I completely get that some will have colds and bugs but surely it's best to be on the safe side especially when Kawasaki disease can destroy a child. 

Quite agree, a workable track and trace system should help but its only as good as the people who use it and unfortunately we in the UK aren’t the most co-operative when it comes to things that disrupt our way of life. Probably why its most successful in more subservient nations such as China and South Korea. The government have blundered their way through this from the beginning. I thought antibody testing would be well underway by now…Its dropped off the radar. Just more layers of ‘measures’, a creaking testing system and no clear route out of this mess.

[minijc]

2 minutes ago, daytripping said:

The point being the rare disease you quoted is insignificant to cancer in numbers, we don't even mass test for the latter because it wouldn't be feasible, you want kids tested for a disease they barely know they have when they get it.

The disease I mentioned was for a specific reason, there has been outbreaks of it in Italy and New York, it's directly linked in with covid, so if some kids aren't feeling well I'd say it's best to get them tested rather than have them suffer through what comes with it that may leave them with issues as they get older.

[daytripping]

Just now, rocket_scientist said:

He's right that Sweden suffered much more than the other Nordic countries, but not as badly as the UK which the reasons he gave are all good.

Sweden now regret not going harder earlier and I feel that if the UK had locked down quicker, two weeks earlier then we could have made a significant difference when the virus was at the peak (for load as well as numbers - R).

It will have ran through Sweden, job done, weak killed off. Neighbouring Countries can hide and shield all they want, it will just take a little longer for the old to pass, numbers will even out. Imagine spending the last Months of your life hiding inside at an age when death is near anyway.

[NEM]

39 minutes ago, rocket_scientist said:

As "paddy", Ivor Cummins pointed out, the casedemic isn't everything it purports to be.

An increase in testing is obviously going to find more "cases" but is the testing good enough to differentiate between Covi 19 and other coronaviruses (and even rhinoviruses) of which the common cold and flu may test positive? We learned that even non-transmissable cases and antibodies of the remnants of a past infection are being detected.

Is all this worth the continuation of wrecking the economy? The measures need to be proportionate to the threat. Until we start seeing the population who are not old and vulnerable being hospitalised (let alone dying) from Covid 19 in particular, it should be business as usual. The eradication of basic human rights and killing communities and pubs etc. can not possibly be a reasonable outcome for the real danger faced.

 

Spot on

[daytripping]

Just now, minijc said:

The disease I mentioned was for a specific reason, there has been outbreaks of it in Italy and New York, it's directly linked in with covid, so if some kids aren't feeling well I'd say it's best to get them tested rather than have them suffer through what comes with it that may leave them with issues as they get older.

Extremely rare cases min, hardly a reason to test a child. What is done if it comes back positive anyway? NOTHING!! Calpol and a couple days off school.

[daytripping]

They should hold Covid parties for kids like they did with measles years ago, let them catch it, schools back to normal a couple days later. Take that one for free Nicky if you're reading.

[minijc]

4 minutes ago, thedandydon said:

Quite agree, a workable track and trace system should help but its only as good as the people who use it and unfortunately we in the UK aren’t the most co-operative when it comes to things that disrupt our way of life. Probably why its most successful in more subservient nations such as China and South Korea. The government have blundered their way through this from the beginning. I thought antibody testing would be well underway by now…Its dropped off the radar. Just more layers of ‘measures’, a creaking testing system and no clear route out of this mess.

 

Anti body tests are pointless right now given that there's still little to no proof of Herd immunity even being achievable, although the UK government have been throwing them in to help boost their capacity for testing but there's plenty of science/data out there that suggests they aren't very accurate.

1 minute ago, daytripping said:

Extremely rare cases min, hardly a reason to test a child. What is done if it comes back positive anyway? NOTHING!! Calpol and a couple days off school.

Bigger picture, kids test positive you remove them from the situation that in turn breaks the spread of the virus, it's nae difficult to understand.

[daytripping]

1 minute ago, minijc said:

Anti body tests are pointless right now given that there's still little to no proof of Herd immunity even being achievable, although the UK government have been throwing them in to help boost their capacity for testing but there's plenty of science/data out there that suggests they aren't very accurate.

Bigger picture, kids test positive you remove them from the situation that in turn breaks the spread of the virus, it's nae difficult to understand.

Why would you want to hide them from it? It's harmless to the young.

[Foster14]

5 minutes ago, minijc said:

Bigger picture, kids test positive you remove them from the situation that in turn breaks the spread of the virus, it's nae difficult to understand.

How come an under 12 doesn't need to social distance from anyone (including elderly relatives/previously shielding people etc), but they need to be pulled out of school/childcare as soon as they have any symptom?

On one hand the school of thought seems to be that the risk of them carrying it (particularly asymptomatically) doesn't cause much risk of transmission to others, but on the other hand it is thought it does...

[minijc]

2 minutes ago, daytripping said:

Why would you want to hide them from it? It's harmless to the young.

Is it, based on what?  And lets just pretend it's completely harmless to them, if they don't get tested or if they don't isolate when they have it, I assume they can't spread it either in your warped heid?

[daytripping]

48 hospital cases in the whole of Scotland and some are still arguing that it's so dangerous we need to hide our children and keep lockdown restrictions in place, mind blowing.

 

Please no one tell these types how many die in Scotland every day with things not related in anyway to this flu.

[daytripping]

Just now, minijc said:

Is it, based on what?  

The evidence ffs!! lol

[Misers Hill]

Cooncils gone bat shit crazy ?

Closed the permanent bus stops on Union street, 

and replaced them all with temporary ones,due to covid apparently, 

bleak winter ahead ,standing catching flu while waiting for a bus that might not appear??

[minijc]

Just now, daytripping said:

The evidence ffs!! lol

There's evidence that shows it going in to Kawasaki disease, we are also still at a point where we don't no what affects it could have on peoples health further down the road, one example, a large number of young athletes in America that tested positive for the virus showed bad swelling around the heart, there's been a few tests elsewhere that show cognitive decline in people that had recovered from the virus but I suppose none of that suits your ideology so it doesn't matter.

[Parklife]

4 minutes ago, daytripping said:

The evidence ffs!! lol

Posts from Facebook maws aren't "evidence", Daytripping. 

[minijc]

10 minutes ago, Foster14 said:

How come an under 12 doesn't need to social distance from anyone (including elderly relatives/previously shielding people etc), but they need to be pulled out of school/childcare as soon as they have any symptom?

On one hand the school of thought seems to be that the risk of them carrying it (particularly asymptomatically) doesn't cause much risk of transmission to others, but on the other hand it is thought it does...

That doesn't make sense to me, maybe the governments gave in to all the people crying about how kids not touching other kids is ruining their way of life.

[daytripping]

9 minutes ago, Parklife said:

Posts from Facebook maws aren't "evidence", Daytripping. 

Weak even for you. hahaha

[Parklife]

5 minutes ago, daytripping said:

Weak even for you. hahaha

To be fair, It's your normal source. 

[minijc]

55 minutes ago, daytripping said:

It's the snowflake generation, the something must be done brigade flapping at the 24/7 news coverage.

It's funny, the people that use the term 'snowflake' often end up showing themselves up for being far worse and more easily offended than those they accuse of being one.

[maryhilldon]

52 minutes ago, Parklife said:

Posts from Facebook maws aren't "evidence", Daytripping. 

The fact that none of them get ill enough to need medical treatment is all the evidence you need. 

[NEM]

35 minutes ago, maryhilldon said:

The fact that none of them get ill enough to need medical treatment is all the evidence you need. 

"but but but one in 8 million kids develops Kawasaki disease cause of Covid.  Run for the hills!"

 

 

[manboobs109]

Surely the news on the false hospitalisation figures have got you rethinking Mini? We can't go back in time but the time to get back to normal has well and truly come.

Get all these stupid masks to fuck, only test people in hospital/care homes and only if they have symptoms, stop these farcical, self indulgent, press conferences, get every business and office open as before and stop all this 'rule of 6' fucking garbage. 

Give every council a bung to take meals on wheels to the vulnerable and let docs and chemists do home visits if required. 

I'd also give a couple of grand to every person with an NI number with some facility that forces them to spend it within a certain time in a physical shop or venue.