Joe pike Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 She just said it's vital that nobody travels into an area with a different level. But I won't make it mandatory that the weegies don't travel and spread it. Link to comment
daytripping Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 8 minutes ago, Dynamo said: Government furlough and only supporting UK when England is in lockdown will be a defining moment in the death of the 'Union of equals'. The furlough scheme is Countrywide, people in Scotland will still be benefiting from it. If she wasn't being awkward with a need to be different we'd be following England in the first place. Link to comment
daytripping Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Good point just being made, she always said she would follow the science when making decisions, looks like she's now following the money. Link to comment
daytripping Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 We should be fine here anyway, can't see her putting tier 1 and 2's into tier 4. Link to comment
Joe pike Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 She has been saying for 4 weeks we think our restrictions are working. Link to comment
Joe pike Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Thinks her levels are great but wants to retain flexibility in changing them. Itching to lockdown. Link to comment
Geoff_Tipps Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 So, why did Westminster decide to extend the Furlough on Saturday evening? What changed on Saturday? Link to comment
Joe pike Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 If you turn off the sound it's hard to tell which one is the deaf announcer Link to comment
Geoff_Tipps Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 16 minutes ago, Joe pike said: She just said it's vital that nobody travels into an area with a different level. But I won't make it mandatory that the weegies don't travel and spread it. Weegies aren't allowed to travel out with their health board whilst in tier 3. Unless for work. Link to comment
Joe pike Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Geoff_Tipps said: Weegies aren't allowed to travel out with their health board whilst in tier 3. Unless for work. They have been requested. She refuses to make it mandatory Link to comment
Studebaker-90 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 The case for the union hugely compromised if that’s the case. If the treasury is only extending furlough based upon the situation in England then by definition it’s fucked. I don’t know how any reasonable person could legitimately support it after this blatant evidence of favouritism towards the southern guffy. 9 1 Link to comment
Geoff_Tipps Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, Studebaker-90 said: The case for the union hugely compromised if that’s the case. If the treasury is only extending furlough based upon the situation in England then by definition it’s fucked. I don’t know how any reasonable person could legitimately support it after this blatant evidence of favouritism towards the southern guffy. Exactly. It's not only unfair on the devolved Governments but it completely alienates the North of England, who were desperately trying to secure better funding when being moved to tier 3. The union is only important to Westminster when Scotland seek independence. Ask yourself why? 3 Link to comment
Studebaker-90 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 48 minutes ago, Zeus said: She's 100% locking us down I have been very vocal about my dissatisfaction for sturgeon and Scottish government throughout this process but her hand is being forced on this and it’s a fucking horrible position for her to be in. Absolutely fuck the U.K. government if they pull a stunt like this. 6 1 Link to comment
DelMonte Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 37 minutes ago, daytripping said: The furlough scheme is Countrywide, people in Scotland will still be benefiting from it. If she wasn't being awkward with a need to be different we'd be following England in the first place. Our numbers were on a downward trajectory when England announced lockdown so why would we do the same? Link to comment
DelMonte Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 13 minutes ago, Studebaker-90 said: I have been very vocal about my dissatisfaction for sturgeon and Scottish government throughout this process but her hand is being forced on this and it’s a fucking horrible position for her to be in. Absolutely fuck the U.K. government if they pull a stunt like this. Exactly. As you said, you've been vocal about her but you can see this is wrong. Proves the likes of Dayts just go against everything she does for some attention on a forum. Embarrassing. 4 Link to comment
Poodler Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Hanzoid, how long you up for? Link to comment
Studebaker-90 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Scotland has a low prevalence generally of covid at the moment so this lockdown, if it happens, could go someway in driving the levels so low that we will come out the other end more quickly. Link to comment
Joe pike Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Studebaker-90 said: Scotland has a low prevalence generally of covid at the moment so this lockdown, if it happens, could go someway in driving the levels so low that we will come out the other end more quickly. So you want us to be shutdown even though covid infections are low Here? Link to comment
Parklife Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, Joe pike said: So you want us to be shutdown even though covid infections are low Here? I don't but if it's now or never (furlough only being in place while England is in lockdown), then it makes sense to do it IMO. Link to comment
manboobs109 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 28 minutes ago, Studebaker-90 said: I have been very vocal about my dissatisfaction for sturgeon and Scottish government throughout this process but her hand is being forced on this and it’s a fucking horrible position for her to be in. Absolutely fuck the U.K. government if they pull a stunt like this. Totally agree. Farcical that they can't just give her a realistic budget to use as and when she needs it. I don't think we'll lock down, she has to give these levels a chance or the whole thing is totally fucked. Link to comment
Studebaker-90 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, Joe pike said: So you want us to be shutdown even though covid infections are low Here? No of course it’s not what I want. What I want is irrelevant though and I’m trying to see things from a bigger picture perspective. 2 minutes ago, Parklife said: I don't but if it's now or never (furlough only being in place while England is in lockdown), then it makes sense to do it IMO. Yeah. As I said previously, it appears that they’re forcing Scotland’s hand with this. Link to comment
Foster14 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Just now, Parklife said: I don't but if it's now or never (furlough only being in place while England is in lockdown), then it makes sense to do it IMO. I cannot agree with this... I hope this is the Scottish Government's attempt to try and call the UK Government's bluff, and not a genuine consideration. They have put in place a system that they believe is grounded in science and has/is showing some positive results. There may be no need for a tier/level 4 lockdown anywhere in Scotland, and certainly not blanket across Scotland at any time. So why would you put in place a nationwide lockdown at that level, putting people out of work and not getting full pay again, just because the safety net is there? Unless they have a complete lack of faith in the system they have just spent weeks working on and are only just implementing, then it is an illogical decision. I agree fully with the sentiments that it is ridiculous we are in a situation that we have the fiscal policy relating to 4 different nations public health strategies being aligned to only one of those nation's needs. I do not agree that a safety net should be used just because it is there, if there is a chance that you may never need to use it. 3 Link to comment
Foster14 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 I see Douglas Ross is aligned with the Scottish Government on this one though. Says something, clearly sees this as a political own goal by the UK government. Link to comment
manboobs109 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 One thing I will say is she was changing legislation to close businesses today when there she thought there was no furlough help. Link to comment
daytripping Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 33 minutes ago, DelMonte said: Our numbers were on a downward trajectory when England announced lockdown so why would we do the same? She'll lockdown Scotland this week to prove a political point, the numbers mean little. 1 1 Link to comment
DelMonte Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 1 minute ago, daytripping said: She'll lockdown Scotland this week to prove a political point, the numbers mean little. Or because she's forced to because the tories are cunts Link to comment
daytripping Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 She's like Oliver Twist, an embarrassment. 1 Link to comment
Studebaker-90 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 14 minutes ago, Foster14 said: I cannot agree with this... I hope this is the Scottish Government's attempt to try and call the UK Government's bluff, and not a genuine consideration. They have put in place a system that they believe is grounded in science and has/is showing some positive results. There may be no need for a tier/level 4 lockdown anywhere in Scotland, and certainly not blanket across Scotland at any time. So why would you put in place a nationwide lockdown at that level, putting people out of work and not getting full pay again, just because the safety net is there? Unless they have a complete lack of faith in the system they have just spent weeks working on and are only just implementing, then it is an illogical decision. I agree fully with the sentiments that it is ridiculous we are in a situation that we have the fiscal policy relating to 4 different nations public health strategies being aligned to only one of those nation's needs. I do not agree that a safety net should be used just because it is there, if there is a chance that you may never need to use it. Absolutely correct that we should be making decisions based on the evidence and data but it’s a really horrible position to be put in. Edit - nothing has happened yet, it will be interesting to see Link to comment
daytripping Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 1 minute ago, DelMonte said: Or because she's forced to because the tories are cunts She was quite happy last week, them going into lockdown means nothing. No idea why people are unhappy, gives our wet pubs staff protection for another Month, no idea where they keep finding the money but well done the government. Link to comment
Joe pike Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Another shutdown up here would finish off many businesses. How many lockdowns have we had ? Personally I think all politicians in the UK have been useless during this pandemic. The first thing that should happen is all politicians,civil servants,local council staff and generally anybody paid by the public purse should take an immediate 20% pay cut. The only exceptions would be the emergency services. Link to comment
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