Coronavirus

[Bluto10]

1 hour ago, Bad_Mobby said:

Big Ron Atko told it how it is 

aye. called a spade a monkey

 

dont make ‘em like they used to

[Bluto10]

don’t think desailly was a manager min

[manboobs109]

24 minutes ago, Ke1t said:

Can't you use judgement based upon the stats and science?

 

Why publish criteria then ignore it? She's put places in Level 3 presumably to avoid them reaching the point that she has to put them in Level 3. Why not make an extra level then? 

[Redforever86]

1 hour ago, Studebaker-90 said:

Apparently you can use “people of colour” but not coloured. What’s the fucking difference 

Benetton.

[Ke1t]

3 minutes ago, manboobs109 said:

Why publish criteria then ignore it? She's put places in Level 3 presumably to avoid them reaching the point that she has to put them in Level 3. Why not make an extra level then? 

My maxim has always been that if a plan can't be changed then it was a bad plan to begin with. 

I really don't know any of the answers to your questions, since I'm wholly ignorant of what the criteria for the various levels are, and what strategy Sturgeon might be following. 

I was just pointing out that it's possible, preferable even, to base your judgements upon science and facts. 

[Ohjimmyjimmy]

4 minutes ago, Redforever86 said:

Benetton.

Shit comedian.

[manboobs109]

14 minutes ago, Ke1t said:

My maxim has always been that if a plan can't be changed then it was a bad plan to begin with. 

I really don't know any of the answers to your questions, since I'm wholly ignorant of what the criteria for the various levels are, and what strategy Sturgeon might be following. 

I was just pointing out that it's possible, preferable even, to base your judgements upon science and facts. 

Not arguing but she's contradicting herself. 'Hopeful' for some areas but 'cautious' for others. Areas that fit level 4 staying in 3 but levels that fit 2 put into 3. If it was Johnson doing it people would be cracking up. She's also been repeating the same lie several times that all businesses affected will receive help from the Scottish Government. 

[Ohjimmyjimmy]

The population of Glasgow and Clyde is roughly 2x that of Grampian, yet they have had almost 8 times as many COVID-19 cases and almost 6 times the number of deaths.

What needs to happen before she locks them down into Level 4 exactly? Over 300 folk a day getting it in Glasgow (and we know that transmission is exponential - with the number of cases doubling at an ever increasing rate) compared with a dozen or so in Aberdeen.

..and the only real difference between the levels for Glasgow compared with Aberdeen is that you cannot buy alcohol with a meal or in a pub? That is caution is it?

The strict lockdown in Aberdeen was shite for local hospitality business but at least it was short-lived and it worked. Surely that would be preferable to the longer drawn out level 3 restrictions - being open but having so few customers that it's not even covering overheads? 

 

 

[manboobs109]

She's discredited the whole system with weird ways of applying it. 

[DD1903]

2 hours ago, Joe pike said:

Sturgeon answered a question today with: We follow the stats and science.

Then proceeded to say after that we use our judgement.

Haha just do as your told.

She said in reply to Aberdeen Council she was acting with caution.

Douglas Lumsden ACC told her I wish you would treat Glasgow with the same caution.

Always about Glasgow, isn't it? ?

[Fridge]

On 11/9/2020 at 4:22 PM, rocket_scientist said:

That's pretty outstanding, on behalf of both the caller and the callee. 

That is genius. There was also an A Shagger on the Aberdeen phonebook who used to get abuse. Still not entirely sure if it was a fake name or not.

[daytripping]

18 minutes ago, DD1903 said:

Always about Glasgow, isn't it? ?

It is pretty bizarre min, we're still in our 3rd lockdown, pretty much the same restrictions as Glasgow yet we're averaging around 7 new cases a day and the hospitals are saying they're in a really good place and can't see any problems going forward. It's clear our short harsh local lockdown worked yet we're still living with the snp crushing our way of life. My local couldn't wait to shut as soon as the furlough was extended, you can't make money keeping a bar open to keep a dozen eskimos in the car park in beer. It's a shambles, she needs to stop fucking about and just deal with the problem areas, people up here have no idea why we're not being treated equally.

[Misers Hill]

2 hours ago, daytripping said:

I would have said ICU forecast was the important one, we're meant to be managing the virus, we won't wipe it out without a vaccine. To get the economy moving and places open it should be how well our hospitals are coping, numbers of cases means little if it's loads of kids with a cough. We're level 1 on the hospital standard, just doesn't make sense to have our restrictions similar to the central belt. Hope the council kick up a fuss and make it known. The one good thing about us is we're not snp controlled in council, at least we have a voice that many others won't have. Councils should be free of party politics altogether anyway, should all be independants, that's for another day though. 

The licensing board should be ripping ACC..a new ?yawn the morn....we mentioned before. 

[aberdeen1970]

10 minutes ago, daytripping said:

It is pretty bizarre min, we're still in our 3rd lockdown, pretty much the same restrictions as Glasgow yet we're averaging around 7 new cases a day and the hospitals are saying they're in a really good place and can't see any problems going forward. It's clear our short harsh local lockdown worked yet we're still living with the snp crushing our way of life. My local couldn't wait to shut as soon as the furlough was extended, you can't make money keeping a bar open to keep a dozen eskimos in the car park in beer. It's a shambles, she needs to stop fucking about and just deal with the problem areas, people up here have no idea why we're not being treated equally.

We're just kicking the can down the road every few weeks.  The Level 1 areas on the mainland still can't go to each others houses so even if you get to Level 1 there's very little difference to Level 2 in practice. 

If you live on an island with no more than a couple of cases a week you'll be allowed to enter someone else's house from Friday.  Fuck knows what you need to demonstrate to be allowed to move to Level 0. 

 

 

[Fridge]

It has got to the stage where nobody gives a fuck any more. Used to be that if you didn’t wear a mask you would get rugby tackled to the ground. Now nobody wears them (I still do for courtesy) and nobody cares.

[Ke1t]

On 11/3/2020 at 3:15 PM, Fridge said:

It’s a fucking laugh. How is me wearing a mask on the drop off despite there being fuck all folk having it in Aberdeen making any difference whatsoever.
 

And if they think it is a risk why have they not done this before or locked the schools down. I’m pretty sure folk are kissing their kids good luck enjoy your day before school. If it is going to spread then me wearing a mask is making fuck all difference.

 

This whole piecemeal shut-down/open-up/shut-down cycle is fucking asinine. 

Shut down as much as is physically possible for a month... and fuck whining cunts who "Can't have a pint at the pub"... put on your fucking big boy pants and drink in your living room if you can't go without alcohol for a few weeks... and have a staged re-opening from most essential to least essential businesses and services over the following weeks. And wear masks... it's not that big a fucking deal.

Keep the most vulnerable locked away until its over, and find the money to feed them and keep the lights on.  Massive fines for people not wearing masks or social distancing, just as an incentive for them to act like grown ups. 

There's a vaccine coming, we just need to stagger over the line. 

This half-arsed bullshit just about every country is trying, open/shut/open/shut is bollocks, it clearly doesn't work, so stop fucking doing it. 

I've no idea what's going on with the whole UK deal, but it seems like it's unnecessarily overcomplicated.

[DD1903]

15 minutes ago, daytripping said:

It is pretty bizarre min, we're still in our 3rd lockdown, pretty much the same restrictions as Glasgow yet we're averaging around 7 new cases a day and the hospitals are saying they're in a really good place and can't see any problems going forward. It's clear our short harsh local lockdown worked yet we're still living with the snp crushing our way of life. My local couldn't wait to shut as soon as the furlough was extended, you can't make money keeping a bar open to keep a dozen eskimos in the car park in beer. It's a shambles, she needs to stop fucking about and just deal with the problem areas, people up here have no idea why we're not being treated equally.

I get that it's all relatively new to her and leitch etc, but she seems to contradict herself a lot in terms of figures and levels etc. 

the circuit breaker was going to slow the virus down, when it would appear it hasn't. Funny that. 
 

I get with the economy - two family members and a couple of close friends made redundant through all this. The stress that put them and those close to them was frightening. Some still not got a job yet. 

[Fridge]

11 minutes ago, Ke1t said:

 

This whole piecemeal shut-down/open-up/shut-down cycle is fucking asinine. 

Shut down as much as is physically possible for a month... and fuck whining cunts who "Can't have a pint at the pub"... put on your fucking big boy pants and drink in your living room if you can't go without alcohol for a few weeks... and have a staged re-opening from most essential to least essential businesses and services over the following weeks. And wear masks... it's not that big a fucking deal.

Keep the most vulnerable locked away until its over, and find the money to feed them and keep the lights on.  Massive fines for people not wearing masks or social distancing, just as an incentive for them to act like grown ups. 

There's a vaccine coming, we just need to stagger over the line. 

This half-arsed bullshit just about every country is trying, open/shut/open/shut is bollocks, it clearly doesn't work, so stop fucking doing it. 

I've no idea what's going on with the whole UK deal, but it seems like it's unnecessarily overcomplicated.

Agreed Kelto but the other side of the argument is the safest place to be is in well run bars and restaurants  where they regulate as opposed to young folk are clearly going to other folks houses and abiding by fuck all rules.

But even that isn’t working now I could easy get a pint without wearing a mask and saying I had some illness. Supposed to have a badge but it’s catch 22 for the owners run the risk or go under.

[maryhilldon]

17 minutes ago, Fridge said:

It has got to the stage where nobody gives a fuck any more. Used to be that if you didn’t wear a mask you would get rugby tackled to the ground. Now nobody wears them (I still do for courtesy) and nobody cares.

Almost everyone still wears masks down here (at least 90% I would say) in shops etc,  and the pubs have been closed for nearly 5 weeks and yet case numbers aren't really dropping. 

[daytripping]

15 minutes ago, DD1903 said:

I get that it's all relatively new to her and leitch etc, but she seems to contradict herself a lot in terms of figures and levels etc. 

the circuit breaker was going to slow the virus down, when it would appear it hasn't. Funny that. 
 

I get with the economy - two family members and a couple of close friends made redundant through all this. The stress that put them and those close to them was frightening. Some still not got a job yet. 

With the oil price on top of the virus your last paragraph is ripping right through Aberdeen, the amount of people that have lost jobs already is frightening, fuck knows what will be left. The amount of people living with that stress must be horrendous, still big mortgages to pay. Can't even get a low paid job to keep things ticking over, there's hardly anything there. The recession from this will last years.

[daytripping]

Governments must have had an idea when the vaccine would be coming, wouldn't keeping kids and students home learning and extending the courses by a year have been a better option. Kids leaving age up to 17 for a year, 2 year course to a 3. Seems putting them back made it spike just as the colder weather was coming back.

Done now but putting thousands of spreaders out there in close contact doesn't seem to have been the best option.

[manboobs109]

It's a fucking joke what's been going on. One of my customers spent fortunes getting facilities put in for cooking food(they were advised heating up precooked food wasn't good enough) the council sped up the process to certify it all, they got a shelter built that cost a few notes, bought outside heaters and then a week later its all closed down, even though her criteria for keeping it all open is still being met. 

[DD1903]

8 minutes ago, daytripping said:

With the oil price on top of the virus your last paragraph is ripping right through Aberdeen, the amount of people that have lost jobs already is frightening, fuck knows what will be left. The amount of people living with that stress must be horrendous, still big mortgages to pay. Can't even get a low paid job to keep things ticking over, there's hardly anything there. The recession from this will last years.

Brutal. Those I mention who don't have jobs yet haven't even been fussy about jobs. Their old employer took an age in sorting their redundancy, made an arse of it, and meant they missed out on some opportunities. Then some places kb'ed them due to them being 'over qualified', or in one case, when applying for a 'reduced role', the line manager didn't want them in their team as they'd held a similar post to him previously. Apparently some irons in the fire that look positive though. 

[Ke1t]

14 minutes ago, Fridge said:

Agreed Kelto but the other side of the argument is the safest place to be is in well run bars and restaurants  where they regulate as opposed to young folk are clearly going to other folks houses and abiding by fuck all rules.

But even that isn’t working now I could easy get a pint without wearing a mask and saying I had some illness. Supposed to have a badge but it’s catch 22 for the owners run the risk or go under.

This is a virus that spreads person to person. 

The safest place to be is not standing next to 50 other persons, regardless of how 'well regulated' the area those 50 persons occupy. 

 

 

[manboobs109]

1 minute ago, Ke1t said:

This is a virus that spreads person to person. 

The safest place to be is not standing next to 50 other persons, regardless of how 'well regulated' the area those 50 persons occupy. 

 

 

People will mix Kelto. It's human nature. Stop pubs and clubs etc and you'll get house parties. 

[Ke1t]

10 minutes ago, daytripping said:

Governments must have had an idea when the vaccine would be coming, wouldn't keeping kids and students home learning and extending the courses by a year have been a better option. Kids leaving age up to 17 for a year, 2 year course to a 3. Seems putting them back made it spike just as the colder weather was coming back.

Done now but putting thousands of spreaders out there in close contact doesn't seem to have been the best option.

They've been doing that here, because the loud minority have been saying "EVERYONE wants their kids back in school". A poll of parents showed just how bollocks that statement was when it came back that the majority wanted their kids nowhere near schools yer. 

Anyway, they sent the kids back and now there are spikes in those districts that sent them back. 

 

[Ke1t]

Just now, manboobs109 said:

People will mix Kelto. It's human nature. Stop pubs and clubs etc and you'll get house parties. 

So then if people are going to just do what they want there's no point complaining about what the government says to do, because people undermining those orders will continue the spread and we've no idea if those orders would have worked or not. 

 

[manboobs109]

5 minutes ago, Ke1t said:

So then if people are going to just do what they want there's no point complaining about what the government says to do, because people undermining those orders will continue the spread and we've no idea if those orders would have worked or not. 

 

You are correct. They fucked up in March/April when most people were listening to their pish. If they'd been semi competent and got their shit sorted the latest pish would've been avoided. 

[daytripping]

19 minutes ago, DD1903 said:

Brutal. Those I mention who don't have jobs yet haven't even been fussy about jobs. Their old employer took an age in sorting their redundancy, made an arse of it, and meant they missed out on some opportunities. Then some places kb'ed them due to them being 'over qualified', or in one case, when applying for a 'reduced role', the line manager didn't want them in their team as they'd held a similar post to him previously. Apparently some irons in the fire that look positive though. 

Tell them to think outside the box, the amount of new dog walking businesses on my facer page suggests the Country is going to need a lot more dogs and people working who can't walk them for it to work.

Prostitution will never get old, good money. There's a market between whores down the harbour and the £150 quid an hour "escorts". Really surprised no one has filled the hole, affordable mid market shag, like a Just Eat ride. The escorts are just junkies, fuck all high class about a seaton mink.

[daytripping]

13 minutes ago, Ke1t said:

They've been doing that here, because the loud minority have been saying "EVERYONE wants their kids back in school". A poll of parents showed just how bollocks that statement was when it came back that the majority wanted their kids nowhere near schools yer. 

Anyway, they sent the kids back and now there are spikes in those districts that sent them back. 

 

There's no danger to the kids but when they take it back to family it will spread, maybe not the best idea.