Coronavirus

[daytripping]

42 minutes ago, Simply Red said:

^^^This 100%.

Parklife’s clearly a principled guy who argues and stands by his point with intelligence and reason no matter what the clique are saying. I dont necessarily always agree or even read a lot of his stuff but he stands up for himself and swats away the retards with ease. 

Healthy debate is always good, passes the day, if everyone agreed on things the World and this forum would be a boring place. I can't be doing with people insulting each other though, that bores me, lot of fine lines out there though. Think we as a collective maybe pushed Dad over that line, just one example, end of the day we're all dons fans give or take a couple, here for a laugh and to talk crap, bit leftist but no one should be pushed so hard they don't come back. 

Debate good, insults should have been left at the playground gate. Wind ups and fishing trips more than acceptable but with some people caution needed. ?

[Henry]

2 hours ago, Millertime said:

Trust me, you are the sort that gets cheated on. Check her phone

You would know, given your past experience with the next door neighbour. 

[Henry]

France and Holland added to the 14 day quarantine list. 

[daytripping]

Was hoping Orkney would be on it as well, maybe tomorrow.

[BrianFaePerth]

4 hours ago, Studebaker-90 said:

Have you seen your average lesbian. Most of them are built like Eddie Hall 

Monster monster

[Sonoftherock]

Think Parklife is obviously taking a lot because he was the biggest proponent for the lockdown measures on this forum.

I certainly backed the lockdown measures myself initially, and have been quite smug that we've been sitting pretty in our covid-free bubble!

However, the way things are going, I'm starting to change my opinion.  The events in Melbourne and Auckland, and the governments response to them, really worried me.  This passage from the swedish article sums things up.

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Sweden ripped the metaphorical band-aid off quickly and got the epidemic over and done with in a short amount of time, while the rest of the world has chosen to try to peel the band-aid off slowly. At present that means Sweden has one of the highest total death rates in the world. But covid is over in Sweden. People have gone back to their normal lives and barely anyone is getting infected any more. I am willing to bet that the countries that have shut down completely will see rates spike when they open up. If that is the case, then there won’t have been any point in shutting down in the first place, because all those countries are going to end up with the same number of dead at the end of the day anyway. Shutting down completely in order to decrease the total number of deaths only makes sense if you are willing to stay shut down until a vaccine is available. That could take years. No country is willing to wait that long.

The issue we have in New Zealand & Australia, is that our response to any outbreak, regardless of the scale, is a quite draconian lockdown.  In WA we have the hard border closure too!  My worry is that as soon as these are relaxed, we'll see a spike of cases - then we'll be back into a brutal lockdown.  If this keeps happening, every time we attempt to relax restrictions, we are going to be battling Covid19 for many months, if not years to come... meanwhile the rest of the world will be back to normal.

There is massive public backing for the border closures over here.  The support our local government has received for this means no one is going to be leaving or entering our state for a very, very long time!  A lot of it is fuelled by parochialism - I was a bit caught up in it by myself, but really worried we're now going to be facing this continual 'relax restrictions, then back-into-lock down' pattern for some time...  basically no one in our state of >2M people has been exposed to this virus yet. 

[maryhilldon]

Im not hearing about countries in Africa being overcome by this existencial threat,  their health services and general infrastructure must be pretty shit compared to western countries but there doesn't appear to be any great catastrophe unfolding. 

[maryhilldon]

3 minutes ago, RUL said:

What are our doctors saying about it? The infection rate has been high for weeks but hospital numbers are dropping. Surely they are as baffled by this as the rest of us. 

They're waiting to hear what Parky thinks about it all before drawing conclusions. 

[RUL]

13 hours ago, manboobs109 said:

You'll struggle to get one from a doctor from the last few weeks since barely anyone is being hospitalised and they are actually appealing for ill people to start using health services again. 

What are our doctors saying about it? The infection rate has been high for weeks but hospital numbers are dropping. Surely they are as baffled by this as the rest of us. 

[maryhilldon]

The continuity problem with the posts is annoying as fuck. 

[BrianFaePerth]

1 hour ago, Sonoftherock said:

Think Parklife is obviously taking a lot because he was the biggest proponent for the lockdown measures on this forum.

I certainly backed the lockdown measures myself initially, and have been quite smug that we've been sitting pretty in our covid-free bubble!

However, the way things are going, I'm starting to change my opinion.  The events in Melbourne and Auckland, and the governments response to them, really worried me.  This passage from the swedish article sums things up.

The issue we have in New Zealand & Australia, is that our response to any outbreak, regardless of the scale, is a quite draconian lockdown.  In WA we have the hard border closure too!  My worry is that as soon as these are relaxed, we'll see a spike of cases - then we'll be back into a brutal lockdown.  If this keeps happening, every time we attempt to relax restrictions, we are going to be battling Covid19 for many months, if not years to come... meanwhile the rest of the world will be back to normal.

There is massive public backing for the border closures over here.  The support our local government has received for this means no one is going to be leaving or entering our state for a very, very long time!  A lot of it is fuelled by parochialism - I was a bit caught up in it by myself, but really worried we're now going to be facing this continual 'relax restrictions, then back-into-lock down' pattern for some time...  basically no one in our state of >2M people has been exposed to this virus yet. 

Welcome to what eh have said all along.

McGowan is loving this. All that shite with Palmer has shown him up to be power mad.

Would not be surprised in the least if there is an “outbreak” in the next week or so. 

[Sonoftherock]

15 minutes ago, BrianFaePerth said:

Welcome to what eh have said all along.

McGowan is loving this. All that shite with Palmer has shown him up to be power mad.

Would not be surprised in the least if there is an “outbreak” in the next week or so. 

Fair enough - I'm starting to think you'll be proved right.

If there is 'an outbreak' here... the response will be draconian - that is almost guaranteed.  Full lockdown is certain.

Your average West Australian is loving this... they are mainly loving lording it over folk from the eastern states.

I don't think McGowan is power crazy per se... he's just a politician, that's what they do.  He is in an immense position of strength - there probably isn't politician anywhere else on the planet who is more popular right now.  He's being celebrated as a hero - I've never seen anything like it.  if you are McGowan, why wouldn't you ride that wave?

The more he pushes for the hard border and fights to keep WA closed, the further his popularity is rising... 

Even if it becomes blindingly obvious that lockdown is the wrong solution to the problem, it is going to be really hard to change opinions.  Its a depressing outlook, but I think we are in for a really difficult 12 months to come... makes a big difference to lapping up our freedoms, while the rest of the civilised world were in lockdown!

[BrianFaePerth]

What’s been seen here and in europe is that the second lockdown is worse than the first. The politicians know they can get away with it.

here we are at 120 odd days covid free and the WA feds and politicians are warning to expect lockdown. There are strong whispers in the health sector of a need to be ready.

why now? Because some place thousands of kilometres away got a few cases?

But you’re right, the easiest way to annoy a sandgroper is to question the wisdom of McGowan or the border strategy. Folk whose lives have been fucked by the decisions almost have to apologise for pointing out their predicaments.

[Sonoftherock]

6 minutes ago, BrianFaePerth said:

What’s been seen here and in europe is that the second lockdown is worse than the first. The politicians know they can get away with it.

here we are at 120 odd days covid free and the WA feds and politicians are warning to expect lockdown. There are strong whispers in the health sector of a need to be ready.

why now? Because some place thousands of kilometres away got a few cases?

But you’re right, the easiest way to annoy a sandgroper is to question the wisdom of McGowan or the border strategy. Folk whose lives have been fucked by the decisions almost have to apologise for pointing out their predicaments.

I think there will multiple lock downs if we follow the Auckland and Melbourne model of locking down every time 4 or 5 new cases emerge... it will be endless.

One of my mates works for the WA government and they are preparing for going into lockdown right now.... think it's being seen an inevitable at some point in the future, regardless of whether Palmer wins his case or not...  In some ways waiting for this to hit us, is worse than actually being in the midst.  We see Melbourne and auckland suffering... and we know it's coming for us!  if it hits us this summer at least you have a swimming pool!!

Have a nice weekend! ?

[BrianFaePerth]

14 minutes ago, Sonoftherock said:

I think there will multiple lock downs if we follow the Auckland and Melbourne model of locking down every time 4 or 5 new cases emerge... it will be endless.

One of my mates works for the WA government and they are preparing for going into lockdown right now.... think it's being seen an inevitable at some point in the future, regardless of whether Palmer wins his case or not...  In some ways waiting for this to hit us, is worse than actually being in the midst.  We see Melbourne and auckland suffering... and we know it's coming for us!  if it hits us this summer at least you have a swimming pool!!

Have a nice weekend! ?

We’ve fully stocked freezers and plenty of bog roll after a shopping trip last week.

We’re not going to be fighting in the aisles of Woolies.

[BrianFaePerth]

@daytripping apologies chum, we got a bit carried away talking about things that directly affect us down under and not you. Won’t happen again.

[strachanmcgheegoal]

Have to ask.  Sandgroper?

[BrianFaePerth]

3 minutes ago, strachanmcgheegoal said:

Have to ask.  Sandgroper?

West Australian

[Parklife]

2 hours ago, Sonoftherock said:

Think Parklife is obviously taking a lot because he was the biggest proponent for the lockdown measures on this forum.

Not sure I feel that's an accurate representation. 

Id have rathered that it was taken seriously at the outset. We could see this coming in January (at the latest) yet our governments appeared to do nothing in the way of building a track and trace system. Put no measures in place to limit the spread and generally were wilfully ignorant to both the public health and economic threats of this. 

A serious attitude taken could've seen an early encouraging of physical distancing, an early encouraging of mask wearing in enclosed spaces, extra precautions put in place in work places, a strategy for keeping care homes Covid free developed.

Instead we done very little. We had a PM who, in mid-March went on tv and boasted about shaking hands with Covid patients and how he would keep doing it FFS. 

We therefore got to a stage where the virus was at such high levels that we had little option but to introduce some kind of lockdown measures. Unfortunately, these were still introduced a couple of weeks too late and, as a result, have went on for way longer than we'd all have hoped. 

Other countries haven't had anything like what the UK has because they took it seriously and focussed on containing it. Korea and Japan have had pretty much no lockdown and have controlled it far better (although Japan over the last month appears to be struggling and is posting similar new daily case numbers per capita to England). The businesses, including pubs and restaurants have all stayed open throughout in these places. There will be a serious economic impact still but that's going to be inevitable and will happen in every country on earth unfortunately. It really is about the best strategy for minimising that and the health impacts. A do nothing "Herd-immunity" approach like many advocated would be the worst of all world imo; higher body count, more people with chronic long lasting affects and a horrendous economic decline - sick people don't go to work and produce. 

It didn't have to be like it has been in the UK, we chose that way with our arrogance that we would be different. I'd like to think we'd learn but unfortunately, as a nation, we lack humility and the ability to see ourselves as others see us. 
 

[Sonoftherock]

21 minutes ago, Parklife said:

Not sure I feel that's an accurate representation. 

Id have rathered that it was taken seriously at the outset. We could see this coming in January (at the latest) yet our governments appeared to do nothing in the way of building a track and trace system. Put no measures in place to limit the spread and generally were wilfully ignorant to both the public health and economic threats of this. 

A serious attitude taken could've seen an early encouraging of physical distancing, an early encouraging of mask wearing in enclosed spaces, extra precautions put in place in work places, a strategy for keeping care homes Covid free developed.

Instead we done very little. We had a PM who, in mid-March went on tv and boasted about shaking hands with Covid patients and how he would keep doing it FFS. 

We therefore got to a stage where the virus was at such high levels that we had little option but to introduce some kind of lockdown measures. Unfortunately, these were still introduced a couple of weeks too late and, as a result, have went on for way longer than we'd all have hoped. 

Other countries haven't had anything like what the UK has because they took it seriously and focussed on containing it. Korea and Japan have had pretty much no lockdown and have controlled it far better (although Japan over the last month appears to be struggling and is posting similar new daily case numbers per capita to England). The businesses, including pubs and restaurants have all stayed open throughout in these places. There will be a serious economic impact still but that's going to be inevitable and will happen in every country on earth unfortunately. It really is about the best strategy for minimising that and the health impacts. A do nothing "Herd-immunity" approach like many advocated would be the worst of all world imo; higher body count, more people with chronic long lasting affects and a horrendous economic decline - sick people don't go to work and produce. 

It didn't have to be like it has been in the UK, we chose that way with our arrogance that we would be different. I'd like to think we'd learn but unfortunately, as a nation, we lack humility and the ability to see ourselves as others see us. 
 

 

Agree with higher body count... this is something that has happened in countries like Sweden.  The majority of these folk had one foot in the grave already though!  Would be interesting to see the stats for people under the age of 65, who were not already ill.  Your other points... hmmm I'm not sure!  Our (australia) economy is going to be seriously screwed if these sporadic lock-downs keep choke the life out of us... and it continues for months to come.  While Sweden is recovering already, we will be slowly suffocating - and our final recovery will be far longer!

The chronic long-lasting effects of the disease?  This is something that annoys me.  There is no evidence of this.  Fundamentally, there has been no long studies, because this is a new disease!  It's pure scaremongering, which the cynic within me believes is being peddled by lock-down supporters, who are now trying to save face!  It reminds of the brass eye sketch where Dr Fox is caught out.... 

 

[Parklife]

1 minute ago, Sonoftherock said:

The chronic long-lasting effects of the disease?  This is something that annoys me.  There is no evidence of this.  Fundamentally, there has been no long studies, because this is a new disease!  It's pure scaremongering, 

There's no evidence of people with severe and permanent lung damage? 

[Sonoftherock]

29 minutes ago, Parklife said:

There's no evidence of people with severe and permanent lung damage? 

Any strain of flu can damage your lungs - incredibly severely too!   With Coronavirus, it needs a proper study before drawing any conclusions.  Some reports of doctors saying folk are presenting in much greater numbers, with problems such as lung scarring/etc... needs to be quantified in a number of respects.

Outlandish claims are being made, without much more than circumstantial evidence.  My opinion is that this type of talk is pure scaremongering at this stage.  It's obviously important to be cautious with a novel virus... but it is apparent to me that this POV is being peddled by those with an agenda.  

[Parklife]

2 minutes ago, Sonoftherock said:

Any strain of flu can damage your lungs - incredibly severely too!  

Yeah, obviously. And we do loads of work and spend fortunes every year to stop people getting the flu.

It's not scaremongering To report the actual affects of an illness. 

[Zeus]

There is a helluva lot of scaremongering going on though. 

Headlines today of R rate being above 1 in Scotland.  Folk start pissing themselves about it. 

However the R rate (Sturgeon mentioned this yesterday) isnt as accurate  or reliable when the numbers are as low as they are in Scotland overall. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Parklife]

Just now, Zeus said:

There is a helluva lot of scaremongering going on though. 

I'd say there's a dangerous amount of scaremongering and a dangerous amount of spreading of misinformation and disregarding the dangers of it. 

It's difficult to see through the wall of shit sometimes. 

[Henry]

3 hours ago, strachanmcgheegoal said:

Have to ask.  Sandgroper?

 

3 hours ago, BrianFaePerth said:

West Australian

You're from fucking Montrose you mongoloid

[daytripping]

National records Scotland covid death stats show only 2 (TWO!!!!!) people under 45 with no underlying medical conditions have died as a result of the virus, basically shows that it's safe for young healthy people to go about their business as normal. Wonder how many under 45's have had their lives turned upside down by the lockdowns, how many jobs lost, businesses ruined, mental health issues, education missed, It's scary that people have been conned by their government into blindly following the advice, even the most blinkered out there must see that only the old and vulnerable needed protecting, we've seen the economy wrecked by weak government over reacting to the scamdemic. Full public enquiry into the handling of it will need done.

[BrianFaePerth]

18 minutes ago, Henry said:

 

You're from fucking Montrose you mongoloid

Eh never referred to myself as a sandgroper you sistergroper

[daytripping]

Parkie, your already on a shoogly peg stance is reminding me of someone, overwhelming evidence that the total lockdown was the wrong thing to do is pretty plain to see.

 

[Parklife]

8 minutes ago, daytripping said:

National records Scotland covid death stats show only 2 (TWO!!!!!) people under 45 with no underlying medical conditions have died as a result of the virus, basically shows that it's safe for young healthy people to go about their business as normal. Wonder how many under 45's have had their lives turned upside down by the lockdowns, how many jobs lost, businesses ruined, mental health issues, education missed, It's scary that people have been conned by their government into blindly following the advice, even the most blinkered out there must see that only the old and vulnerable needed protecting, we've seen the economy wrecked by weak government over reacting to the scamdemic. Full public enquiry into the handling of it will need done.

Can you show us these stats, please?