Poodler Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Captain Caveman said: My sister is a nurse and shares some of the weekly stats they get, why are the govt/media highlighting the very low admissions due to covid only. If an older person has an underlying illness but has had covid its classed as a covid death. Even with this false massaging of stats the numbers are very low. I've still a lot of contacts in nhs and yes the recording of deaths is wild. I know of a case recently (not in Grampian) where someone had had a fall in their house and been lying for a few days. In to hospital, died. ?Covid recorded as cause of death number 2 on the death certificate, as swabs weren't back. Further ammo for this deeply disturbing scaling back of rights and freedom. I'm aware of the 28 days post positive result criteria but it's dangerous to just write ?Covid on every certificate. I encourage all of my pals to go to the media about the practices of NHSG and ACC during this, there's been some scandalous and outrageous decisions made that will keep us in the dark ages for a lifetime. None of them will because they don't want the trouble. Fear. The government are getting what they want. Link to comment
minijc Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 11 minutes ago, Poodler said: I've still a lot of contacts in nhs and yes the recording of deaths is wild. I know of a case recently (not in Grampian) where someone had had a fall in their house and been lying for a few days. In to hospital, died. ?Covid recorded as cause of death number 2 on the death certificate, as swabs weren't back. Further ammo for this deeply disturbing scaling back of rights and freedom. I'm aware of the 28 days post positive result criteria but it's dangerous to just write ?Covid on every certificate. I encourage all of my pals to go to the media about the practices of NHSG and ACC during this, there's been some scandalous and outrageous decisions made that will keep us in the dark ages for a lifetime. None of them will because they don't want the trouble. Fear. The government are getting what they want. Covid causing fatigue that caused the person to faint/fall then they lay there because they were too tired to move as the virus ravaged their body, it's obvious really. 2 Link to comment
daytripping Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 14 minutes ago, minijc said: Covid causing fatigue that caused the person to faint/fall then they lay there because they were too tired to move as the virus ravaged their body, it's obvious really. Way too obvious, suspect you've been fishing all along. Fair play for the catches though, myself included. Link to comment
Zeus Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 30 minutes ago, Poodler said: I've still a lot of contacts in nhs and yes the recording of deaths is wild. I know of a case recently (not in Grampian) where someone had had a fall in their house and been lying for a few days. In to hospital, died. ?Covid recorded as cause of death number 2 on the death certificate, as swabs weren't back. Further ammo for this deeply disturbing scaling back of rights and freedom. I'm aware of the 28 days post positive result criteria but it's dangerous to just write ?Covid on every certificate. I encourage all of my pals to go to the media about the practices of NHSG and ACC during this, there's been some scandalous and outrageous decisions made that will keep us in the dark ages for a lifetime. None of them will because they don't want the trouble. Fear. The government are getting what they want. Just fired an email to them(NHSG) . I expect to be completely panned off with some nonsense. All my stuff is overdue. Link to comment
NEM Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Sweden approaching herd immunity? 1 Link to comment
Sooper-hanz Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 the Covids in India https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-54163109 Link to comment
daytripping Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, NEM said: Sweden approaching herd immunity? My quote from yesterday when pulled up by others saying the Countries round about had less deaths, seems I called it correctly again. "It will have ran through Sweden, job done, weak killed off. Neighbouring Countries can hide and shield all they want, it will just take a little longer for the old to pass, numbers will even out. Imagine spending the last Months of your life hiding inside at an age when death is near anyway." 1 Link to comment
minijc Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, NEM said: Sweden approaching herd immunity? No, unless they've got a vaccine that they aren't telling everyone else about. Link to comment
NEM Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Just now, minijc said: No, unless they've got a vaccine that they aren't telling everyone else about. Ha ha blah up. Think there's been one case of someone being re-infected by it, more than likely due to a dud test. You've been had mate - the government quietly admitted yesterday the numbers are being hugely exaggerated. Link to comment
minijc Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, NEM said: Ha ha blah up. Think there's been one case of someone being re-infected by it, more than likely due to a dud test. You've been had mate - the government quietly admitted yesterday the numbers are being hugely exaggerated. It's been said from early on, even by the scientists and doctors I don't agree with that to achieve herd immunity you need a vaccine of some sort. Link to comment
Poodler Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 2 hours ago, minijc said: Covid causing fatigue that caused the person to faint/fall then they lay there because they were too tired to move as the virus ravaged their body, it's obvious really. I chuckled Link to comment
NEM Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 13 minutes ago, minijc said: It's been said from early on, even by the scientists and doctors I don't agree with that to achieve herd immunity you need a vaccine of some sort. Presume you'll be first in line for an untested vaccine? Link to comment
minijc Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Just now, NEM said: Presume you'll be first in line for an untested vaccine? Absolutely not, I don't trust it nor do I want it. Link to comment
thedandydon Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 25 minutes ago, NEM said: Sweden approaching herd immunity? It gives creedence to the Irish fellows theory that having let the virus spread amongst the population with minimal measures, it has run its course as any flu-type virus would. Its higher death rate attributed to a milder flu season in 2019 and an exposed care sector. While the rest of us are fannying about with lockdowns and 'rules of six' we're merely prolonging the agony whilst we wait for enough of the population pass it around. 7 Link to comment
minijc Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 1 minute ago, rocket_scientist said: How can you be so sure that you are qualified to dispute what scientists and doctors are saying? Yes we know that there is no consensus across science and medicine on many issues but what specifically are the ones you are referring to? I'm not qualified, never said that I was but I've got plenty of time to research what I read or hear then form an opinion that way. The research includes going in to the background of the scientists or doctors, that's why it was pretty easy to spot Sikora a mile off, reading in to his past was fun. Now that doesn't mean I (we) should dismiss absolutely everything he says but the main bulk of what he's been say has been rubbish and the timing of it has been interesting as well. Link to comment
minijc Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 11 minutes ago, rocket_scientist said: Sorry my bad. You said already. You're saying that herd immunity is impossible without a vaccine. I think what Patrick Vallance was saying six months ago was based on other viruses, that once you've had it, you will be immune. It was therefore desirable for lots to get infected is how I interpreted him back then, before the first (and biggest) of their many U-turns. He said at the time you'd need 60% of the population to get infected, last time any data came out just under 6% in the UK was showing anti bodies, granted that was a couple of months ago now, so with needing 60% to achieve a form of Herd immunity so we'd need 10-12 waves of this to hit for it to be effective, assuming governments have learned some lessons you'd hope there would be less deaths but then as history shows, mainly looking at the deaths from the Spanish flu the second wave was even worse than the first. Link to comment
minijc Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Good thread here https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1305915051988090881?s=20 Link to comment
daytripping Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 She's trying to justify the low hospital numbers, jesus she's almost wishing it higher. 1 Link to comment
daytripping Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 There goes a dig at the government and her lack of borrowing powers and the furlough scheme ending, this covid update that her supporters say isn't political. 3 Link to comment
NEM Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, minijc said: LOL Good. Pity it wasn't 0% as that'd be an end to the entire sham. Link to comment
minijc Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, NEM said: Good. Pity it wasn't 0% as that'd be an end to the entire sham. HAHA ffs Link to comment
NEM Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, minijc said: HAHA ffs The pandemic is over mate don't you watch the news? What we have now is a casedemic. No more testing, no more cases. 1 Link to comment
minijc Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Just now, NEM said: The pandemic is over mate don't you watch the news? What we have now is a casedemic. No more testing, no more cases. So when loads of people die, who is at fault? Link to comment
NEM Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 1 minute ago, minijc said: So when loads of people die, who is at fault? Hardly anyone's dying from it now hence why they report cases instead. Link to comment
minijc Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 1 minute ago, NEM said: Hardly anyone's dying from it now hence why they report cases instead. So that means no one will die of it in the future as more and more become infected with it? Link to comment
NEM Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 1 minute ago, minijc said: So that means no one will die of it in the future as more and more become infected with it? Here's some news for you mate and you might want to sit down before reading it......... People die every day! We're all going to die at some point. Until then I'd like to live please, not hide away from a dose of the sniffles. 6 1 Link to comment
Fridge Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, minijc said: So that means no one will die of it in the future as more and more become infected with it? Folk get knocked down by a bus ffs! Link to comment
minijc Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 32 minutes ago, rocket_scientist said: You've lost me. I have no idea what arguments you are presenting and I have no idea what you're actually saying. I accept that this will be mostly my fault but you don't make it easy! NEM wants to stop the testing and get right back to normal, that's fine, lets just pretend the virus doesn't exist and that it doesn't impact many people. If we drop the testing and pretend covid isn't a thing, who/what is to blame when the NHS starts to struggle due to the demands of the sick? Who/what is to blame when there's thousands more excess deaths? Link to comment
NEM Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 31 minutes ago, rocket_scientist said: I broadly agree with all your sentiments but you misrepresent the insidious effects of Covid-19 on a small number of people. It hits not just the respiratory functions but it goes way beyond breathing, the full extent of which is as yet unknown. Yes but you can't halt life for everyone because of a few outliers Link to comment
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