Parklife Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, The Boofon said: Makes sense to me. No symptoms = Why would you go and get tested. Symptoms = Go for test. "How many of that 9%" was the question. I think you mean 100% Link to comment
Misers Hill Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 More ???????SS on the streets tonight, to jackboot the(very few) locals home. without a ?supper. ? Link to comment
NEM Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, Captain Caveman said: Sweden got it right. Who said they were wrong doing what they did again? They've had less deaths per 100k population in the first 33 weeks of the year than they did in 2015 and barely higher than the 4 years between. Link to comment
Studebaker-90 Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 10 minutes ago, Captain Caveman said: Sweden got it right. Who said they were wrong doing what they did again? I’ll give you two guesses 3 Link to comment
The Boofon Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 13 minutes ago, Sooper-hanz said: In that case your answer should have been 100%. I've factored in that some people have went and got tested just to be on the safe side. Or required to do so for work like I have. Link to comment
NEM Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Just now, Sooper-hanz said: Their attitude to socialising, culturally , is very different to that of the UK's is it not? I think that may be a big factor. Aye that's correct professor Parklife studied the behaviour and attitudes of 10 million Swedes back near the start of lockdown. 1 Link to comment
The Boofon Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 14 minutes ago, Parklife said: "How many of that 9%" was the question. I think you mean 100% Aye that's it. Apologies. Won't be 100% but be close. Link to comment
Studebaker-90 Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 42 minutes ago, Parklife said: Devi on the money, as usual: 3 Link to comment
NEM Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 9 minutes ago, Studebaker-90 said: ? Global warmings mental - another 6 months of summer! 1 Link to comment
Fridge Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Sooper-hanz said: When in a hole .., Or a cupboard Link to comment
Misers Hill Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, Sooper-hanz said: When in a hole .., JaMC? ? Link to comment
Parklife Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 44 minutes ago, Sooper-hanz said: Their attitude to socialising, culturally , is very different to that of the UK's is it not? I think that may be a big factor. Indeed it is. Also class how the "expert" in Dayts' article is the guy who is responsible for Sweden's entire strategy. ? 37 minutes ago, Studebaker-90 said: We were. As she said again and again though, the biggest issue is cases being brought in to the country. Unlike proper countries, we can't control our borders. 1 Link to comment
The Boofon Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 42 minutes ago, Sooper-hanz said: When in a hole .., Already pointed out my error bud. Link to comment
Zeus Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Was there any evidence of that being the main issue? Link to comment
daytripping Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 17 minutes ago, Parklife said: Indeed it is. Also class how the "expert" in Dayts' article is the guy who is responsible for Sweden's entire strategy. ? We were. As she said again and again though, the biggest issue is cases being brought in to the country. Unlike proper countries, we can't control our borders. The expert is Sweden's state epidemiologist, why would you think that "class" and worthy of a laugh over? Even a blind person could see they've handled it a lot better than us, you really should stop digging that hole, will just get deeper. Might be a first in your life but you got it wrong. Link to comment
daytripping Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Sooper-hanz said: I suppose what Im wondering is, what is the percentage of people who test positive that go on to develop symptoms? Won't be many, majority of those getting tested will be unaware they have it, be test and traced people or just worried students and the like. It makes very few people ill. Link to comment
Parklife Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 19 minutes ago, daytripping said: The expert is Sweden's state epidemiologist, why would you think that "class" and worthy of a laugh over? Because he's the one who came up with their strategy, so he's obviously going to say it's working brilliantly. Surely you can see he's not an impartial judge? 1 3 Link to comment
Parklife Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Just now, Captain Caveman said: Neither are you How so, Cavemeister? 1 Link to comment
daytripping Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 33 minutes ago, Parklife said: Because he's the one who came up with their strategy, so he's obviously going to say it's working brilliantly. Surely you can see he's not an impartial judge? He doesn't say it works brilliantly. Sweden's state epidemiologist has claimed that the consistency of his country's coronavirus restrictions is what has so far saved it from the surges in cases seen elsewhere in Europe. Asked what had prevented Sweden from so far suffering a second wave like Spain's, Anders Tegnell downplayed the importance of immunity, stressing that achieving 'herd immunity' had never been a goal of Sweden's strategy. “I'm not sure that the level of immunity in Sweden and in Spain differs very much,” he said. “I think the main difference between Sweden and many other countries is that we have had the same kind of restrictions and recommendations in place the whole time. “And we have a really big adherence from the population to those recommendations. And that makes a difference, that makes us hopefully less susceptible to a second wave.” Ever since Sweden decided not to close primary and lower secondary schools, bars, restaurants, or sports clubs, Dr Tegnell has insisted that restrictions and recommendations needed to be light enough that they can be kept in place for a long period. While he said he wasn't ruling out a spike in infections in Sweden, he argued that imposing and then lifting heavy restrictions triggered surges in infection. “Maybe we'll have the same experience in a few weeks' time, we'll see, but as I said, I think the big difference is that Spain had a strict lockdown and then opened up again, and then you do get back to quite a lot spread of disease.” Link to comment
daytripping Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Bet he's not on tv every day making up a new rule. Link to comment
Quagmire Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 32 minutes ago, Parklife said: Because he's the one who came up with their strategy, so he's obviously going to say it's working brilliantly. Surely you can see he's not an impartial judge? Aren’t you the one that scoffs at anyone not taking expert advice? I’m not even going to look into this guy but I presume he’s not some Joe Bloggs off the street. And even if he is, his strategy seems to be less damaging than those you blindly follow. Make up your mind Parkie boy. You dive in with such an opinionated, self righteous view with a sprinkle of arrogance, at least be consistent in your approach. 5 Link to comment
KingswellsRed Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Nicola only seems to employ pro lockdown advisers. Link to comment
daytripping Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, KingswellsRed said: Nicola only seems to employ pro lockdown advisers. Not actually sure they get much say, they're obviously nat supporters and will back her no matter what but it's pretty clear she makes the decisions. She's backed the wrong horse and is too far down the road to admit it now, instead of learning from other Countries we're reduced to closing pubs an hour early and keeping families apart. 1 2 Link to comment
daytripping Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Sooper-hanz said: She is the First Minister I mean she doesn't do it on advice from experts. The handling of it should have been handed to the Countries top virus experts right at the beginning, no political interference, not doing so has cost may lives and damaged the economy. 1 Link to comment
daytripping Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 She's no better qualified than you and me hanz, she's an expert in nothing bar public speaking. 1 Link to comment
Parklife Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 27 minutes ago, Quagmire said: Aren’t you the one that scoffs at anyone not taking expert advice? I’m not even going to look into this guy but I presume he’s not some Joe Bloggs off the street. And even if he is, his strategy seems to be less damaging than those you blindly follow. Make up your mind Parkie boy. You dive in with such an opinionated, self righteous view with a sprinkle of arrogance, at least be consistent in your approach. No. He's Sweden's leading epidemiologist. The one who's credited as being chiefly responsible for their strategy. In this conversation, if you read it properly, I'm not questioning his strategy nor his qualifications. I'm questioning whether the person who devised a strategy is the best person to be critiquing that very strategy. The article is entitled: "Sweden's 'consistent approach to restrictions' saved it from second wave, expert says" It contains quotes from solely the man who devised the strategy Sweden is following. It'd be like having Jason Leitch claiming Scotland's strategy is doing great. Anyway, I realise that it's irrelevant what I actually say and the most important thing is that it is me who is saying it. Hence why both you and Dayts are unable to read and understand what's been said in my posts. 2 2 Link to comment
daytripping Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 49 minutes ago, Parklife said: No. He's Sweden's leading epidemiologist. The one who's credited as being chiefly responsible for their strategy. In this conversation, if you read it properly, I'm not questioning his strategy nor his qualifications. I'm questioning whether the person who devised a strategy is the best person to be critiquing that very strategy. The article is entitled: "Sweden's 'consistent approach to restrictions' saved it from second wave, expert says" It contains quotes from solely the man who devised the strategy Sweden is following. It'd be like having Jason Leitch claiming Scotland's strategy is doing great. Anyway, I realise that it's irrelevant what I actually say and the most important thing is that it is me who is saying it. Hence why both you and Dayts are unable to read and understand what's been said in my posts. Where's the experts quote that says anything like the title of the article? He didn't write it. He actually goes out of his way to say it might be the wrong strategy, it's clearly you who isn't reading and understanding it. You've made an arse of it actually. 1 Link to comment
daytripping Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 37 minutes ago, Sooper-hanz said: Well, maybe Im too trusting, My impression of her is of someone trying to do the best for her country. . She's being advised by a team of economists and health experts etc.., . Ultimately she makes the final judgement based on what the experts all her. That's her job. Time will tell whether she has handled it well or not but the uniqueness of the situation is the major factor in this and I for one don't envy her task. She's letting her political views get in the way of things. She could have easily locked down Glasgow properly like she did in Aberdeen but is now saying it's due to her not being in control of the purse strings that she can't, utter bollocks. Furlough is still in place, the lock down would now be nearly over if she acted in a consistent manner. Health experts should be doing the decisions, government should be advising them on the financial side of what is possible. She's showing herself up to be inept, not even travel restrictions in Glasgow, that wouldn't have cost anything, we had them here during our lockdown (for a handful of cases). She's looking after her voting heartland, even the most blinkered must see that. Would be uproar in Glasgow with an Aberdeen style lockdown and she knows it. 3 Link to comment
Fridge Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 I agree Dayts but to give her a wee bit of a benefit of the doubt maybe she did realise that she monumentally fucked up with Aberdeen. But yes she is protecting her votes. Link to comment
Parklife Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 15 minutes ago, Fridge said: But yes she is protecting her votes. Haha fuck sake man. Still repeating this fallacy? 1 1 Link to comment
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