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4 minutes ago, Reed or deed said:

Sweeping statement of the month there min.

So, if there hadn’t been a lockdown and all sorts of other lengths gone to in order to minimise transmission of Covid-19.

What do you think the statistics for it would be in relation to the flu?

 

 

Emptying ill old people with the virus into care homes caused most deaths in Scotland, average age 82. Nic has blood on her hands.

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More serious in what way? There’s no doubt that if you are over say 65, then you don’t want to be getting either flu or COVID but I’d probably take my chances with flu.

Some basic research leads me to understand:

- COVID 19 is more infectious than the flu, with an R number around twice that of flu

- you are 10 times more likely to be hospitalised from COVID-19 than flu

- the case fatality rate for flu is less than 0.1%, for COVID-19 it’s between 1-4%

- the long term health effects of flu are generally well known and understood, COVID-19 less so

- influenza strains generally have a vaccine each year, COVID-19 does not

 

Thats my basic research done - I’m still not considering flu a more serious international health issue than COVID-19. That’s not to say flu is not a major concern - of course it is, that’s why countries regularly vaccinate the vulnerable population.

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15 minutes ago, daytripping said:

Emptying ill old people with the virus into care homes caused most deaths in Scotland, average age 82. Nic has blood on her hands.

That wasn’t the question that was asked.

And care homes were always likely to be at serious threat due to the comings and goings of staff.

There are highlighted cases of how poorly care home residents are cared for by staff at the best of times. They will be by no means blameless in the scheme of things.

Your complacent dismissive attitude of everything Covid is surprising. Its almost like you just want to be contrary of the establishment rather than anything else.

I also find it interesting the way that folk continue to draw comparisons with stats of the flu. Covid stats are exceeding the flu in almost every aspect, despite the drastic measures that have been taken all over the world to try to minimise transmission.

All the people with this seemingly selfish, complacent, ignorant attitude towards Covid are a major part of the problem for me.

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7 minutes ago, Reed or deed said:

All the people with this seemingly selfish, complacent, ignorant attitude towards Covid are a major part of the problem for me.

Bang on. Probably helps explain why countries like the US and the UK have made a complete arse of it. Both these countries have a high % of selfish, ignorant people.

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1 hour ago, rocket_scientist said:
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Guardian Live | What's on

 
 
  Ai Weiwei: Coronavirus in China
Wednesday 7 October, 7pm–8pm BST


In Coronation, a powerful and revealing new documentary, artist and activist Ai Weiwei chronicles the origins of the coronavirus pandemic in Wuhan, China. 

Filmed from January to April and shot by ordinary citizens in the epicentre of the outbreak under Ai’s meticulous direction from Europe, it explores questions of personal freedom and public security, surveillance, transparency and the power of the Chinese state, which are thrown into sharp focus by the conditions of the pandemic.

For this livestreamed event, Ai Weiwei will explore the unique process behind the film and the wider questions about state control, individual liberties and public trust that it raises. You will also have the chance to ask your own questions.
 
 

 

 
   

Sounds interesting, thanks. Will check out the actual film over the weekend. Can be rented here: 

 

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1 hour ago, Ohjimmyjimmy said:

More serious in what way? There’s no doubt that if you are over say 65, then you don’t want to be getting either flu or COVID but I’d probably take my chances with flu.

Some basic research leads me to understand:

- COVID 19 is more infectious than the flu, with an R number around twice that of flu

- you are 10 times more likely to be hospitalised from COVID-19 than flu

- the case fatality rate for flu is less than 0.1%, for COVID-19 it’s between 1-4%

- the long term health effects of flu are generally well known and understood, COVID-19 less so

- influenza strains generally have a vaccine each year, COVID-19 does not

 

Thats my basic research done - I’m still not considering flu a more serious international health issue than COVID-19. That’s not to say flu is not a major concern - of course it is, that’s why countries regularly vaccinate the vulnerable population.

I think that ten times more likely stat has been extremely diluted now. 
 

I still have access to medical journals/ databases (until the end of this calendar year) but I fear that the information is being restricted by WHO and other influential bodies for compliance with government policy 

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Cult members out in force, it really isn't worth it. Flu has a vaccine Covid doesn't, Flu will still kill more Worldwide this year and next, then the next, Cancer will kill way more than them both. There's no point debating with people who have a political ideology behind what they're saying.

Someone asked me to define what is the cult about a week ago, even this board is proof of it, no matter what happens the nats must be defended.

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1 hour ago, daytripping said:

Not one person justified the Leitch quote from last night....Local lockdowns are impossible as people travel. It was an utterly bizarre thing to say, we put our trust in this guy. Him and nippy locked Aberdeen down without batting an eye yet refused to do the same for Glasgow, that's political, that he forgot he locked us down is shameful.

Still not one rebuke? Not one person to justify his words? 

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1 hour ago, Ohjimmyjimmy said:

More serious in what way? There’s no doubt that if you are over say 65, then you don’t want to be getting either flu or COVID but I’d probably take my chances with flu.

Some basic research leads me to understand:

- COVID 19 is more infectious than the flu, with an R number around twice that of flu

- you are 10 times more likely to be hospitalised from COVID-19 than flu

- the case fatality rate for flu is less than 0.1%, for COVID-19 it’s between 1-4%

- the long term health effects of flu are generally well known and understood, COVID-19 less so

- influenza strains generally have a vaccine each year, COVID-19 does not

 

Thats my basic research done - I’m still not considering flu a more serious international health issue than COVID-19. That’s not to say flu is not a major concern - of course it is, that’s why countries regularly vaccinate the vulnerable population.

Congrats on your best ever post. A simple yet effective summary 

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4 minutes ago, daytripping said:

Cult members out in force. There's no point debating with people who have a political ideology behind what they're saying.

Someone asked me to define what is the cult about a week ago, even this board is proof of it, no matter what happens the nats must be defended.

Why the fuck would anyone ask you to define anything?

Go on then. Let's hear why people who have different political views to you must be part of a "cult"?

Debate you want? Maybe start by a few short sentences of what you believe in?

Why are Churchill and Johnson worthy of your respect might be a start? Then you can follow that by telling us why Scotland should not be independent?

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8 minutes ago, daytripping said:

Cult members out in force, it really isn't worth it. Flu has a vaccine Covid doesn't, Flu will still kill more Worldwide this year and next, then the next, Cancer will kill way more than them both. There's no point debating with people who have a political ideology behind what they're saying.

Someone asked me to define what is the cult about a week ago, even this board is proof of it, no matter what happens the nats must be defended.

:rolleyes: We get it. It's not catching on.

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My sisters best friend died at 48 of flu, that was my first hand experience of it. I get vaccinated every year now, I now have numpties on a message board giving opinions because they support a particular party. It's a fucking sham, it kills old ill people, end of story. Probably does the majority a favour.

Some of you really are blind/thick, can't decide on most. 

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3 minutes ago, rocket_scientist said:

Why the fuck would anyone ask you to define anything?

Go on then. Let's hear why people who have different political views to you must be part of a "cult"?

Debate you want? Maybe start by a few short sentences of what you believe in?

Why are Churchill and Johnson worthy of your respect might be a start? Then you can follow that by telling us why Scotland should not be independent?

It was you who asked me!!!!! 😂😂😂😂

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5 minutes ago, daytripping said:

Still not one rebuke? Not one person to justify his words? 

I didn't hear him but I strongly suspect that the Aberdeen lockdown mostly inspired by the high-profile personalities involved and an attempt to show intolerance to anyone breaking rules. I think they were mistaken to do this. It was unfair and an overreaction and even they know this. 

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38 minutes ago, daytripping said:

Cult members out in force, it really isn't worth it. Flu has a vaccine Covid doesn't, Flu will still kill more Worldwide this year and next, then the next, Cancer will kill way more than them both. There's no point debating with people who have a political ideology behind what they're saying.

Someone asked me to define what is the cult about a week ago, even this board is proof of it, no matter what happens the nats must be defended.

Flu kills 250,000 - 500,000 worldwide annually, COVID-19 is over 1,000,000 deaths in less than a year.

 

Don’t need to be a member of a cult to know that you spout lies and are full of shit.

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9 minutes ago, Ohjimmyjimmy said:

Flu kills 250,000 - 500,000 worldwide annually, COVID-19 is over 1,000,000 deaths in less than a year.

 

Don’t need to be a member of a cult to know that you spout lies and are full of shit.

Seriously, haha. Really not worth it. Jesus, I think I've bumped into the thickest people in the World then come on here and get astounded.

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7 minutes ago, daytripping said:

Seriously, haha. Really not worth it. Jesus, I think I've bumped into the thickest people in the World then come on here and get astounded.

Just tell him that his figures are wrong then? Would that not be a not-thick thing to do?

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2 hours ago, daytripping said:

Flu is more serious than covid, do some basic research min. Flu will keep a young healthy person in bed for a few days, covid doesn't. To those under 80 with no pre existing conditions it's virtually harmless. Look at the hospital admissions and ICU admissions for any proof you need. 

Can you tell us what the Infection Fatality Proportion is of the common cold, seasonal influenza and covid 19?

Question isn't just for daytripping but is open to all the its nothing side of the argument @Millertime  @NEM  @maryhilldon

 

Anyone?

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26 minutes ago, something_or_other said:

Can you tell us what the Infection Fatality Proportion is of the common cold, seasonal influenza and covid 19?

Question isn't just for daytripping but is open to all the its nothing side of the argument @Millertime  @NEM  @maryhilldon

 

Anyone?

The fit? Nonsense words

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