Exiles voting in referendum

[maryhilldon]

16 minutes ago, The Buzzard said:

 

There was a franchise Bill passed in 2013 that set out eligibility to vote (or not if you were banged up. 

There was another Bill passed at the start of this year that sets out the rules for any future referendums in Scotland. 

Was it a Scottish parliament Bill or Westminster?  Or  mutual agreement? 

[The Buzzard]

6 minutes ago, maryhilldon said:

Was it a Scottish parliament Bill or Westminster?  Or  mutual agreement? 

Both were SP Bills lodged by the Scottish Government. 

There was another referendum Bill passed in 2013 that allowed for the holding of 2014 referendum. I'm sure that needed a Section 30 agreed with Westminster for it to be held. 

[muttonhumper]

There's no doubt the criteria dictated influenced the result of both Indy and Brexit refs.

 

Brexit ref, no EU nationals, regardless of how long they had resided in UK, were allowed to vote.

If they were, the result would have been the reverse.

 

If Indy ref had followed a similar (I know) theme, say only Scots born being allowed to vote, and no incomers (as per EU folks in Brexit ref) then that result would have been reversed also.

Given that Scots born voted in a majority for self determination.

400,000 English and 400,000 other nationalities (and the scaremongering of those therein) obviously tipped the scales the other way.

[Clydeside_Sheep]

On 10/27/2020 at 2:18 PM, Stoneybloke said:

Should Scottish exiles be allowed to vote in any future independence referendums.

Yes if they live elsewhere in the UK, but not if they live abroad.

Rationale being that if you live abroad you have already made a conscious decision to cut ties with Scotland - but that isn't the case if living within the UK family of nations (at least, not currently).

 

[Clydeside_Sheep]

On 10/28/2020 at 6:05 AM, Sonoftherock said:

 If you are born and bred in Scotland, then you are Scottish.

Ah, but be careful, because that implies if you live here, but were not born and bred here, then you are not Scottish - a view typically considered racist / far right.

The only alternative is that "being Scottish" means nothing and can so be claimed by anyone.

 

[Clydeside_Sheep]

On 10/28/2020 at 7:37 AM, Parklife said:

 

It's also worth remembering that one referendum was, imo, primarily about immigration, while the other was about self-determination. 

Both were about self-determination.

Indeed the UK freeing itself from the EU, is a much greater victory for this than would be Scottish independence. 

This is because it is independence in name only, because its most likely we would rush to join the EU and so be left with fewer powers of self governance than we do as a devolved UK nation.

[Lencarl]

Cabinet Office Minister Michael Gove has described calls for the 795,000 Scots based in the rest of the UK to be allowed to vote as “interesting”.

His remark was pounced on by the SNP, who claimed the suggestion that the pool of voters should be widened was gerrymandering.

It has been assumed that Scots based elsewhere in the UK would be more likely to vote against independence.

 

 

 

 

[Fridge]

Why should folk get to vote on anything when you don’t stay here though? I don’t stay in Dundee therefore rightly I should have no right on which candidate they vote for.

Likewise Brizo should not have a vote but he should have a vote in Australia.

[Clydeside_Sheep]

2 hours ago, Lencarl said:

Cabinet Office Minister Michael Gove has described calls for the 795,000 Scots based in the rest of the UK to be allowed to vote as “interesting”.

His remark was pounced on by the SNP, who claimed the suggestion that the pool of voters should be widened was gerrymandering.

It has been assumed that Scots based elsewhere in the UK would be more likely to vote against independence.

 

 

The cheek of them is unbelievable, given they have sought to widen their own possible support at every turn - most recently by allowing foreign nationals to vote, on the back of allowing 16 yr olds to vote.

[Quagmire]

10 minutes ago, Fridge said:

Why should folk get to vote on anything when you don’t stay here though? I don’t stay in Dundee therefore rightly I should have no right on which candidate they vote for.

Likewise Brizo should not have a vote but he should have a vote in Australia.

Its not as black and white as that though. There's a 100s of different variations to your argument that means factors need to be considered when they agree on the criteria. If you've paid tax most your adult life but chose to take a job in a different country for a something different to the norm, but plan to move back at some point, should you not be allowed to vote?  People could move away for family reasons but visit Scotland regularly with the long term plan to be settled in Scotland. Not allowed to vote? If you're voting for a candidate somewhere then that's likely to be for a 4 year period, Independence will be a lifetime change. Who knows how they work it out on who qualifies but I dont think it should be who stays in the country on that particular date. 

[Fridge]

Get what you’re saying to an extent but I don’t think you can have it both ways in my opinion. If you decide to move to Spain or somewhere absolutely you should be able to vote in Spain, but it is easy to cast a vote when you don’t stay in the country and has no impact on your life.

[muttonhumper]

2 hours ago, Bad_Mobby said:

I’d move back (at some point) if it was an independent country 

I’m just nae being told where I’m allowed/not allowed to bide by some posh, Tory mongoloidz 

voted in the last election and previously voted to leave the Guffs last time also 

I would too.

While Scotland is under the rule of those corrupt, cretinous fucktard Tories though, there's not a hope in hell of me returning to shitty little britain.

I do not acknowledge the UK as having any authority over any single part of my life.

[daytripping]

Hahaha, sorry, ignore my question on the other thread MH, must be a mind reader, honestly hadn't read here before posting it.

I've no doubt you and Mobby will both return and pay taxes as opposed to your life at the moment. Fuck, must dash, that flying pig outside is eating from my bird table.

[Stoneybloke]

7 hours ago, Lencarl said:

Cabinet Office Minister Michael Gove has described calls for the 795,000 Scots based in the rest of the UK to be allowed to vote as “interesting”.

His remark was pounced on by the SNP, who claimed the suggestion that the pool of voters should be widened was gerrymandering.

It has been assumed that Scots based elsewhere in the UK would be more likely to vote against independence.

Why would that be so? Have any polls been taken. I have been in England most of my life, but still regard myself as Scottish.

[muttonhumper]

1 hour ago, daytripping said:

Hahaha, sorry, ignore my question on the other thread MH, must be a mind reader, honestly hadn't read here before posting it.

I've no doubt you and Mobby will both return and pay taxes as opposed to your life at the moment. Fuck, must dash, that flying pig outside is eating from my bird table.

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[Jocky Balboa]

9 hours ago, Clydeside_Sheep said:

The cheek of them is unbelievable, given they have sought to widen their own possible support at every turn - most recently by allowing foreign nationals to vote, on the back of allowing 16 yr olds to vote.

I think you're onto something here. The SNP are a poor man's populist party these days, pandering to all manner of nonsense just to get votes, whether it be virtue signalling socialist slogans, fielding female-only candidate lists, the vast over-representation of faeces frollickers, the over-promotion of token minority candidates, the vastly disproportionate influence of transvestites with extreme body dysmorphia (sorry, women do not have penises and even if you chop it off, you'll never change your chromosomes).

All of this, even when some or all of the above are shit at every post they get and/or are pushing anti-democratic policies that would make East Germany blush.

[sheepcrooky]

At the last referendum I was staying in Dubai, but still managed to vote. I used to get home a few times a year, and just before the referendum I got home.

Picked up from Aberdeen airport by an Asian taxi driver. He said “I am really excited to vote leave in this referendum. I have always wanted a Scottish passport”. I asked him how long he had been here. He said “about five years a proud British passport holder I am”. 
 

I just stayed silent all the way home to Costa del Cove after that. 

 

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