Inside Tynecastle

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Wester Hailes Skins said:

It'd take too long to educate you. Visit some Democratic run cities in the US. Or huge left leaning cities here like Glasgow and Liverpool. The left throw words about like inclusion, heal, mend. But more wars under Clintons and Obama. And Blair. You're the typically easily moulded example in society like a pavlovian dog. You hear left, think good people. Hear right, think bad. The reality is anyway, left and right are outdated terms. I want controls over immigration, but far more done to help children and families with disabilities. Where's that put me? 

 

You've listed three centrists in Clinton, Obama and Blair. None of them are left wing. Not in my eyes, anyway. They should all be imprisoned for war crimes. 
 

Why do you want controls on immigration? It's a non issue? It's an issue largely exacerbated by those on the right in order to create a narrative that immigrants are the reason people are poor, or can't get jobs, or whatever. When actually, it's more to do with the spread of wealth, and how very little of it is spread fairly and equally. Oldest trick in the book, throughout history any time the working class proletariat get a bit antsy about how dire their situation might be, immigrants get blamed. I think you're the one who needs educated. It was the Irish before the Middle Eastern people. 
 

If you want more done to help families with disabilities, then why didn't you vote Corbyn in the last election? That was a part of his manifesto. Cause he's a socialist? What do you think a socialist is? You would rather vote for a party who want to deny people the right to seek asylum (from war torn places that Britain has fingerprints all over) and also want to force disabled people to work, and slash their benefits? Clearly the case. 
 

Left ran cities? What do you mean? The reason places like Liverpool/Glasgow etc have their problems are largely down to historical industries being taken from them with no obvious replacement. 
 

The SNP aren't socialist either. 
 

I think WHS, you need to inform yourself better. Very few times in this history of the world, has the right wing been on the correct side. 
 

 

[Andy_123]

Just watching the first episode now. Pretty boring really, was expecting a bit of hilarity given the shit show they are.

[Wester Hailes Skins]

1 hour ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said:

You've listed three centrists in Clinton, Obama and Blair. None of them are left wing. Not in my eyes, anyway. They should all be imprisoned for war crimes. 
 

Why do you want controls on immigration? It's a non issue? It's an issue largely exacerbated by those on the right in order to create a narrative that immigrants are the reason people are poor, or can't get jobs, or whatever. When actually, it's more to do with the spread of wealth, and how very little of it is spread fairly and equally. Oldest trick in the book, throughout history any time the working class proletariat get a bit antsy about how dire their situation might be, immigrants get blamed. I think you're the one who needs educated. It was the Irish before the Middle Eastern people. 
 

If you want more done to help families with disabilities, then why didn't you vote Corbyn in the last election? That was a part of his manifesto. Cause he's a socialist? What do you think a socialist is? You would rather vote for a party who want to deny people the right to seek asylum (from war torn places that Britain has fingerprints all over) and also want to force disabled people to work, and slash their benefits? Clearly the case. 
 

Left ran cities? What do you mean? The reason places like Liverpool/Glasgow etc have their problems are largely down to historical industries being taken from them with no obvious replacement. 
 

The SNP aren't socialist either. 
 

I think WHS, you need to inform yourself better. Very few times in this history of the world, has the right wing been on the correct side. 
 

 

Won't change each others minds but I at least will say you've made an articulate argument without being a dick about it or personally offensive. Fair play. 

[fine-n-dandy]

6 hours ago, daytripping said:

Why would they let birds in high heels cross the pitch, very unprofessional, holes all over the pitch. 

I remember one of the last times a bird with high heels was on the pitch there.

A wedding at the ground I believe it was, some Hibby snuck out&  scraped  Hibs in massive letters in the centre circle 

 

probably been a few thousand Jambo tarts & queers out there since getting their holes smashed in but the one I mention was the last one I believe that made the papers

[Wester Hailes Skins]

14 minutes ago, Andy_123 said:

Just watching the first episode now. Pretty boring really, was expecting a bit of hilarity given the shit show they are.

Censored PR bullshit. The scenes at St J were riotous. Instead it's all womens football, Lockie, FOH hand clappers and a family friendly bus load. 

Should have popped into Luckies or any pub in Gorgie or West Edinburgh and asked a few at the bar for thoughts on Budge and Levein. 

A total shit show with lipstick on for the cameras. 

[afc1903mad]

Not just lipstick.

The head accountant (or whatever her role was) was dropping her drawers to try and lament how Hearts were a big club with all the high profile managers that had applied.

WTF was that conversation about? Contrived pish, that’s what it was

[ericblack4boss]

I watched it to get a look at the physio Jack Ross got the dunt for cowping, 

Lucky bastard he is. 

Gary Locke up there with yogi Hughes for intelligence 

[fine-n-dandy]

3 minutes ago, Wester Hailes Skins said:

Censored PR bullshit. The scenes at St J were riotous. Instead it's all womens football, Lockie, FOH hand clappers and a family friendly bus load. 

Should have popped into Luckies or any pub in Gorgie or West Edinburgh and asked a few at the bar for thoughts on Budge and Levein. 

A total shit show with lipstick on for the cameras. 

Have they proudly stated their patented ‘Hearts Helicopter’ that they love? You know, the one where all the crazy fans hoist their scarfs up high above their heads & simultaneously spin them around helicopter like?
 

What a sight to behold that is, such genius & originality. Quite amazing.

maybe they are saving that for the final episode if they haven’t already shown it. The climatic ending & all that.

 

All the Jambos in the stands furiously spinning their scarves in a desperate attempt to keep their club hovering above relegation 

[Ke1t]

2 hours ago, Wester Hailes Skins said:

It'd take too long to educate you. Visit some Democratic run cities in the US. Or huge left leaning cities here like Glasgow and Liverpool. The left throw words about like inclusion, heal, mend. But more wars under Clintons and Obama. And Blair. You're the typically easily moulded example in society like a pavlovian dog. You hear left, think good people. Hear right, think bad. The reality is anyway, left and right are outdated terms. I want controls over immigration, but far more done to help children and families with disabilities. Where's that put me? 

 

That's not true. 

Under Obama we started 0 new wars. There were the typical In and Out strikes on the Wog countries, some minor ground force deployments, and a good amount of Drone strikes.  No actual wars. In fact he was criticised for not sending significant ground forces into Syria. 

Under Clinton we started 0 new wars. The usual missile attacks and air wars, particularly against the Serbs, who were committing genocide against Kosovans and various other Balkan nationalities. That should have been Europe's job, but European countries were only too happy to allow genocide to occur on the continent. It took the Americans to prevent it from continuing. 

Bush started 3 wars. The invasion of Iraq. The invasion of Afghanistan. And the War on Terror.  All three of which are still ongoing, at the cost of hundreds of billions of dollars, and countless millions of lives, not to mention subsequent regional destabilization and mass civilian displacement. 

As for Blair, he was a cunt... and the least 'Left Wing' Labour leader since the founding of the Party. 

[Redforever86]

19 minutes ago, Ke1t said:

That's not true. 

Under Obama we started 0 new wars. There were the typical In and Out strikes on the Wog countries, some minor ground force deployments, and a good amount of Drone strikes.  No actual wars. In fact he was criticised for not sending significant ground forces into Syria. 

Under Clinton we started 0 new wars. The usual missile attacks and air wars, particularly against the Serbs, who were committing genocide against Kosovans and various other Balkan nationalities. That should have been Europe's job, but European countries were only too happy to allow genocide to occur on the continent. It took the Americans to prevent it from continuing. 

Bush started 3 wars. The invasion of Iraq. The invasion of Afghanistan. And the War on Terror.  All three of which are still ongoing, at the cost of hundreds of billions of dollars, and countless millions of lives, not to mention subsequent regional destabilization and mass civilian displacement. 

As for Blair, he was a cunt... and the least 'Left Wing' Labour leader since the founding of the Party. 

You could have just said he's a Jambo cunt.

[Fridge]

To be fair I think WHS is a decent poster

Must be different in the west coast when you get fed bigotry all the time.

We have our faults up here but bigotry isn’t one of them.

[aberdeen1970]

He's from the East Coast though isn't he? 

I've never understood why folk in Edinburgh want to replicate the same shite that goes on in Glasgow but not being from down there its something I probably don't understand. But it just seems unnecessary. Surely you can have a rivalry without falling into the stereotypes. 

[Wester Hailes Skins]

43 minutes ago, Fridge said:

To be fair I think WHS is a decent poster

Must be different in the west coast when you get fed bigotry all the time.

We have our faults up here but bigotry isn’t one of them.

Cheers Fridge. I'm from Edinburgh though.

[Wester Hailes Skins]

44 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said:

He's from the East Coast though isn't he? 

I've never understood why folk in Edinburgh want to replicate the same shite that goes on in Glasgow but not being from down there its something I probably don't understand. But it just seems unnecessary. Surely you can have a rivalry without falling into the stereotypes. 

I've said before, I don't follow stereotypes or let other people do my thinking for me. I'm atheist, not protestant. Or any other religion. I believe in the union, but I'm not a bigot about it. And I don't believe in the Royal family. I don't buy into defining politics by left and right wing. Things I like and don't like about both Liberal socialism vs Conservative capitalism. I don't go marching or have any tattoos about this stuff. And I'm sure I'd disagree with other Hearts fans about stuff as quick as Aberdeen fans. There's no manual we all have to complete down here.

[aberdeen1970]

26 minutes ago, Wester Hailes Skins said:

I've said before, I don't follow stereotypes or let other people do my thinking for me. I'm atheist, not protestant. Or any other religion. I believe in the union, but I'm not a bigot about it. And I don't believe in the Royal family. I don't buy into defining politics by left and right wing. Things I like and don't like about both Liberal socialism vs Conservative capitalism. I don't go marching or have any tattoos about this stuff. And I'm sure I'd disagree with other Hearts fans about stuff as quick as Aberdeen fans. There's no manual we all have to complete down here.

Fair enough lad. I wasn't having a pop at you in particular.  I was just musing really. 

[Guest]

4 hours ago, Ke1t said:

That's not true. 

Under Obama we started 0 new wars. There were the typical In and Out strikes on the Wog countries, some minor ground force deployments, and a good amount of Drone strikes.  No actual wars. In fact he was criticised for not sending significant ground forces into Syria. 

Under Clinton we started 0 new wars. The usual missile attacks and air wars, particularly against the Serbs, who were committing genocide against Kosovans and various other Balkan nationalities. That should have been Europe's job, but European countries were only too happy to allow genocide to occur on the continent. It took the Americans to prevent it from continuing. 

Bush started 3 wars. The invasion of Iraq. The invasion of Afghanistan. And the War on Terror.  All three of which are still ongoing, at the cost of hundreds of billions of dollars, and countless millions of lives, not to mention subsequent regional destabilization and mass civilian displacement. 

As for Blair, he was a cunt... and the least 'Left Wing' Labour leader since the founding of the Party. 

Would you not say that dropping bombs is an act of war? 

I would say so. 

[Ke1t]

4 minutes ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said:

Would you not say that dropping bombs is an act of war? 

I would say so. 

100% it is. 

But an 'Act of War' doesn't necessarily lead to a war, and in the case of the Clinton and Obama administrations they calculated, rightly, that their actions wouldn't start a war or expand a current war. 

In fact, the bombing of the Serbs went a long way to halting genocide and ending a war. 

So we could actually reset their 0 to -1. 

In the case of Bush, (Cheney, let's be honest) there was a direct, unprovoked invasion on two counts, and an asinine war without end for the third. 

 

 

[fine-n-dandy]

9 hours ago, Ke1t said:

That's not true. 

Under Obama we started 0 new wars. There were the typical In and Out strikes on the Wog countries, some minor ground force deployments, and a good amount of Drone strikes.  No actual wars. In fact he was criticised for not sending significant ground forces into Syria. 

Under Clinton we started 0 new wars. The usual missile attacks and air wars, particularly against the Serbs, who were committing genocide against Kosovans and various other Balkan nationalities. That should have been Europe's job, but European countries were only too happy to allow genocide to occur on the continent. It took the Americans to prevent it from continuing. 

Bush started 3 wars. The invasion of Iraq. The invasion of Afghanistan. And the War on Terror.  All three of which are still ongoing, at the cost of hundreds of billions of dollars, and countless millions of lives, not to mention subsequent regional destabilization and mass civilian displacement. 

As for Blair, he was a cunt... and the least 'Left Wing' Labour leader since the founding of the Party. 

But if Bush started 3 wars & as you also say they are all still ongoing, then you add in the Clinton & Obama ‘discrepancy’s’ that you try to trivialise so as not to call them wars or acts of war. Surely Shirley would say that that means there were indeed more wars with both Clinton & Obama’s tenures 

 

Or are you going to change the argument to ‘starting’ less wars under their regimes?

 

if anything they were bigger cunts for not finishing Ongoing wars before picking fights (since we’re not allowed to call their lil acts of pavement dancing actual wars) with other Countries & expanding the list. 

[Ke1t]

43 minutes ago, fine-n-dandy said:

1. But if Bush started 3 wars & as you also say they are all still ongoing, then you add in the Clinton & Obama ‘discrepancy’s’ that you try to trivialise so as not to call them wars or acts of war. Surely Shirley would say that that means there were indeed more wars with both Clinton & Obama’s tenures 

 

2. Or are you going to change the argument to ‘starting’ less wars under their regimes?

 

3 if anything they were bigger cunts for not finishing Ongoing wars before picking fights (since we’re not allowed to call their lil acts of pavement dancing actual wars) with other Countries & expanding the list. 

1. I'm not trivialising anything. I agreed that attacking another country could constitute an act of war. But dropping bombs does not constitute 'wars'. That's why they're not called wars.  You also seem to forget that Bush  dropped bombs on people outside the scope of his invasions.  So you'd have to tally them all up. But, again, as I said, dropping bombs or launching missiles aren't wars, so that would be a pointless exercise. 

2. I suppose I could, but I don't have to for the sake of this discussion. As for attributing the fault for wars perpetrated by the Bush government to subsequent governments then that's entirely up to you, but your argument seems bizarre to say the least that 'There are more wars under Democrats because they inherit the wars started by Republicans'

3. Correct. Things that aren't wars aren't wars. The size of governmental cuntishness isn't a subject I was arguing, so I'm not really going to address that. 

[maryhilldon]

22 minutes ago, Ke1t said:

 But dropping bombs does not constitute 'wars'. That's why they're not called wars.  You also seem to forget that Bush  dropped bombs on people outside the scope of his invasions.  So you'd have to tally them all up. But, again, as I said, dropping bombs or launching missiles aren't wars, so that would be a pointless exercise. 

 

What a load of shite.  What's happened to you during your sabbatical from the Hat?  They were dropping bombs on innocent civilians,  and you're arguing about terminology?  You sound brainwashed,  spending too much time on political campaigning. 

[Ke1t]

16 minutes ago, maryhilldon said:

What a load of shite.  What's happened to you during your sabbatical from the Hat?  They were dropping bombs on innocent civilians,  and you're arguing about terminology?  You sound brainwashed,  spending too much time on political campaigning. 

Trump launched multiple missiles at Iran... an act of war. The US and Iran are not at war. 

Obama  Clinton dropped bombs on Serbia... an act of war. The US and Serbia did not go to war. 

We literally had ground troops in Libya... an act of war. The US and Libya did not go to war. 

We wiped out a column of Russian special forces in Libya... an act of war. The US and Russia are not at war. 

China knocked an American spy plane out of the sky, we're not at war.  India and China are taking potshots at each other... they're not at war. 

If we're not arguing terminology what are we arguing?

 

 

 

 

[maryhilldon]

2 minutes ago, Ke1t said:

 

Obama dropped bombs on Serbia... 

 

 

 

 

  What? 

[Ke1t]

Just now, maryhilldon said:

  What? 

Clinton... misspoke. 

[maryhilldon]

Your examples might not be all out war,  but they're certainly aggression. 

[maryhilldon]

America is a rogue state,  every administration act like bullies around the world.  Your defense of democrat administrations is akin to old firm whataboutery. 

[Ke1t]

1 minute ago, maryhilldon said:

America is a rogue state,  every administration act like bullies around the world.  Your defense of democrat administrations is akin to old firm whataboutery. 

I'm not defending anyone, I'm correcting the error "But more wars under Clintons and Obama." 

Which was posted to make a point, but was untrue. 

If the statement had been true I'd have had no issue with it. 

People can make arguments, but outright lies like that one require comment. 

[maryhilldon]

2 minutes ago, Ke1t said:

I'm not defending anyone, I'm correcting the error "But more wars under Clintons and Obama." 

Which was posted to make a point, but was untrue. 

If the statement had been true I'd have had no issue with it. 

People can make arguments, but outright lies like that one require comment. 

Obama oversaw regime change in Libya didn't he?  And went into Syria.  The yanks have been pretty quiet in the middle east during Trumps tenure. 

[BrianFaePerth]

26 minutes ago, Ke1t said:

Clinton... misspoke. 

Clinton never missed a poke

[Ke1t]

1 minute ago, maryhilldon said:

Obama oversaw regime change in Libya didn't he?  And went into Syria.  The yanks have been pretty quiet in the middle east during Trumps tenure. 

I think that was a fully blown NATO intervention, rather than just Obama.  There were boots on the ground in Syria, but that was in large part to protect Kurdish enclaves, which Trump then abandoned and left to be slaughtered by the Turks. 

I'm not sure what Trump's doing is awesome. He withdrew from the Iran deal, so the Iranians just went ahead and started purifying uranium to weapons grade. So I guess now they can build  bomb. 

He betrayed America's only ally in the region, the Kurds. 

He launched a bunch of missiles at Iran, which just seemed to be a spontaneous "I'm hard" exercise without thinking through what would happen next. (Attacks on American bases)

He's kept up the drone strikes and wanted to expand them to include 'the families of terrorists'... 

I mean, he hasn't invaded anyone, which is an improvement on Bush, but he's also created a vacuum that was filled by Russia and Iran. 

[Ke1t]

2 minutes ago, BrianFaePerth said:

Clinton never missed a poke

I get the impression his missus wasn't up for it, so what's a shagger like Bill going to do?

Shove a cigar up a lassie's fud, apparently.