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6 hours ago, G31DON said:

Main's in electrics. 

He's in a family full of eccentrics 

He's done nothing like we all expected

Shouldn't get more time 

 

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31 minutes ago, strachanmcgheegoal said:

One that understands that 2-0 is a hell of a lot better and safer than 1-0.  And one that knows that 1-1 against dross isn’t good enough.  And truly fears that happening.

I’d put that more to the manager. 

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Hamilton would have been dead and buried if that one off the post had went in.

I think Kennedy can be good enough for this team - he's the only one i would challenge on that list above.

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9 hours ago, WesthillWanderersFC said:

McInnes/the Dons were never likely to part ways after a 95th minute cup final defeat after a really good effort in the Scottish Cup Final though. 
I think the COVID outbreak & the season finishing saved him. The way we were playing & the style of football we were seeing, if that continued from March to May I think he’d have been punted possibly.

No chance now - he’s here until the end of his contract at least. 

He's the manager until anyone other than Dave Cormack knows that he will not be offered a new contract.

As soon as a few people know his contract is not being extended it will become an untenable position. Absolute disaster if everyone finds out. 

I'm a McInnes fan and I think there is every chance we go backwards on the next appointment BUT every manager has a shelf life. I don't think he'll see 2022 as Dons manager.

 

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6 hours ago, WesthillWanderersFC said:

Taylor, Logan, Main, Ojo, Kennedy, Edmondson are NOT good enough IMO.

There are a couple of others who are ageing & borderline too at the end of this season

 

I’d give Kennedy SOME slack in that he’s no wing back, he’s an old fashioned winger in the Johnny Hayes mould of old, but the latter has been able to reinvent himself.

McInnes seems hell bent on a back 3 this season so Kennedy has a problem.

3 centre halves last night and 2 sitting midfielders against the worst team in the league. It just makes no sense at all. 

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I would say at the very least next summer will be interesting... Much like the many players that have reached the last transfer window without a new contract if a manager is down to less than a year and hasn't been offered a new contract the writing is on the wall. A quick exit in this 3rd tier European competition that we will probably end up in, an early league cup exit and a poor start to the league and if another managerial target becomes available they'll be snapped up. At the very least after 8/9 years of everything done DMc's way it's unrealistic for any new manager to just pick up on July 1st and have everything in place for Europe probably less than 2 weeks later.

The smart money would be for DMc to make it to the 21/22 split and then be Craig Browned... DMc still in charge but his successor waiting in the wings to witness the transfer of power. If DMc doesn't like it he's welcome to take his ball with him...

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48 minutes ago, dj_bollocks said:

I would say at the very least next summer will be interesting... Much like the many players that have reached the last transfer window without a new contract if a manager is down to less than a year and hasn't been offered a new contract the writing is on the wall. A quick exit in this 3rd tier European competition that we will probably end up in, an early league cup exit and a poor start to the league and if another managerial target becomes available they'll be snapped up. At the very least after 8/9 years of everything done DMc's way it's unrealistic for any new manager to just pick up on July 1st and have everything in place for Europe probably less than 2 weeks later.

The smart money would be for DMc to make it to the 21/22 split and then be Craig Browned... DMc still in charge but his successor waiting in the wings to witness the transfer of power. If DMc doesn't like it he's welcome to take his ball with him...

To coin one of DMc’s favourite sayings “Who knows” - maybe he automatically goes onto one of them rolling one yr contracts after his current one ends?

Hard nosed USA styled businessman Cormack may well be, (even more so with further US backing last month) but I just can’t see a scenario where DMc gets bulleted. The only way he leaves is if a championship or progressive league one side down south takes a punt. Or maybe a foreign side? Sevco might come calling again next summer I suppose, as win or lose the league this season, Gerrard either gets the dunt or takes the chance to move back south, riding on the back of his success in stopping 10IAR. 

We’ve been getting embarrassed by shite like Hamilton all thru his tenure but he usually manages to sneak/fluke the next few games. Even if we lose in the Cup on Saturday, he’s not going anywhere, with us 3rd and with a game in hand.

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Klopp took last nights defeat graciously.

 

why can't mcinnes just say 'look that was shit'. That's the rangers in him, zero integrity. 

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8 hours ago, alscotoz said:

What calibre of player, in 2020, is 'good enough for Aberdeen'?

For starters, players that have been playing above English League 1 and 2 level. 

Last night, and at Ibrox, we had several players who had previously played at that level;

Taylor - Northampton Town. 

Ojo - Scunthorpe United (finished in 21st in League 2 last season)

Leigh - Crewe Alexandra, Bradford City, Bury 

Cosgrove - Carlisle United

Kennedy - Portsmouth

(Fuck me, Inverness did most of their recruiting from these levels and the English National League and look what happened to them.)

Factor in the likes of Ryan Edmondson who has hardly played for Leeds United, Tommie Hoban, who has come back from arguably three potentially career-ending injuries, Curtis Main (English League Two level at best), and Shay Logan, who has one eye on retiring, you can start to understand why we have performed well below standard in the last two games. 

Our recruitment overall, apart from a couple of gems, has been very much flawed and errant. 

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16 hours ago, shooftahmooftah said:

If they play with the same dedication and passion as they did against the huns, and go a  goal behind, Hamilton will win this.    

Same dedication same passion.   Another capitulation.   They won’t. Beat St mirren twice.   

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14 hours ago, WesthillWanderersFC said:

Anyone who’s not a McInnes fan, I hope they didn’t hear his post match interview... 

All I saw was his beard moving.   That could be the reason his players don’t understand his instructions at half time.  Weh yeh git ah gol if fook Sikh.  

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2 hours ago, sooth_stander said:

I’d give Kennedy SOME slack in that he’s no wing back, he’s an old fashioned winger in the Johnny Hayes mould of old, but the latter has been able to reinvent himself.

McInnes seems hell bent on a back 3 this season so Kennedy has a problem.

3 centre halves last night and 2 sitting midfielders against the worst team in the league. It just makes no sense at all. 

I don't cut him any. I was perplexed at the time as why we signed him....he was hardly setting the heather alight at Kilmarnock. Now having seen him for the best part of a year, I fail to see what he brings to us. He's not particularly quick, he's certainly not particularly brave and his crossing and finishing are underwhelming to say the least. 

As for last nights team.....McInnes may not be everyone's cup of tea but I trust him enough to know if the youngsters we have are reliable enough to do a job. Clearly McInnes thinks not. Who else could we have given a start to? Well Hernandez and Logan were on the bench. Clearly Hernandez isn't rated at all and Logan is clearly winding down his career, although still think he should be serviceable enough for this season against the bottom 6 sides at least if required. But a back 3 is clearly our go to formation so game time is likely to be minimal. Devlin I guess could have played in place of Taylor but given his lack of football for the past 18 months I'd say he is almost as far out of DM's thoughts as Hernandez. 

So the only real difference is that we maybe could have started Mcginn in place of Main. What we don't know is what advice the medical/physio team gave McInnes about him having just returned from injury...it could be they said he was only fit for 30 minutes or so max.  What is patently obvious is that we need Ferguson, McCrorie and Hayes all back asap, or else we will struggle to beat anyone. And McGeouch too probably.

 

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I'm no football expert, but something tells me that goals don't come from sideways and back pasing, followed by the big boot up the field. Keeping possession is all very well, but scoring more goals wins matches.

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12 hours ago, G31DON said:

Main's in electrics. 

He looks about as bright as a 2 watt bulb right enough.

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Another way of looking at last night in light of the "so many players unavailable" argument...

How many of our team last night would have improved Hamilton ? Would Ojo, Taylor, Main and the like improve Accies ? If they would then why didn't we win ? If the wouldn't improve an Accies team then why do we have them on contract ? Sure, our strongest team wasn't on the pitch last night but that's football. If we've got squad players that aren't good enough to beat Accies why are they signed to us ? And whose fault is that ?

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37 minutes ago, dj_bollocks said:

Another way of looking at last night in light of the "so many players unavailable" argument...

How many of our team last night would have improved Hamilton ? Would Ojo, Taylor, Main and the like improve Accies ? If they would then why didn't we win ? If the wouldn't improve an Accies team then why do we have them on contract ? Sure, our strongest team wasn't on the pitch last night but that's football. If we've got squad players that aren't good enough to beat Accies why are they signed to us ? And whose fault is that ?

Snow White and his 11 dwarfes 

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4 hours ago, Ten Caat said:

I don't cut him any. I was perplexed at the time as why we signed him....he was hardly setting the heather alight at Kilmarnock. Now having seen him for the best part of a year, I fail to see what he brings to us. He's not particularly quick, he's certainly not particularly brave and his crossing and finishing are underwhelming to say the least. 

 

We signed him from St Johnstone but interesting that he started at Killie nine years ago, has been with eleven clubs including loan spells. He’s not consistent enough for my liking and needs to up his game soon.

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10 hours ago, dj_bollocks said:

Another way of looking at last night in light of the "so many players unavailable" argument...

How many of our team last night would have improved Hamilton ? Would Ojo, Taylor, Main and the like improve Accies ? If they would then why didn't we win ? If the wouldn't improve an Accies team then why do we have them on contract ? Sure, our strongest team wasn't on the pitch last night but that's football. If we've got squad players that aren't good enough to beat Accies why are they signed to us ? And whose fault is that ?

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19 hours ago, dj_bollocks said:

Another way of looking at last night in light of the "so many players unavailable" argument...

How many of our team last night would have improved Hamilton ? Would Ojo, Taylor, Main and the like improve Accies ? If they would then why didn't we win ? If the wouldn't improve an Accies team then why do we have them on contract ? Sure, our strongest team wasn't on the pitch last night but that's football. If we've got squad players that aren't good enough to beat Accies why are they signed to us ? And whose fault is that ?

An extension of that - since we're not going to carry 24 instant game winners in our squad.  Those decent if not first team pics on the bench should be getting fairly frequent time on the pitch once we're home hosed and cruising in games against dross.  The injury position I get.  But this 3 minutes to go for the fit ones nonsense is just that.  But of course we cant change them because we're invariably (not) hanging on for grim death. 

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As I said before. Pretty much every one of those players have been deemed good enough as first 11 by McInnes in not too distant past & even in present time in some cases.

All will be earning more than highest earners at Accies but plenty are not worth half their wage & should never be Dons players, first team or squad.

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The problem the other night was we had no control of the middle of the park in the second half, we had Campbell trying to get on the ball but not do much with it and a statue beside him. 
kennedy I think is decent after we first went 343 and he was on the right with hayes on the left when he got injured people were gutted saying we were going to miss him in there

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On 11/27/2020 at 8:12 PM, thurso said:

The problem the other night was we had no control of the middle of the park in the second half, we had Campbell trying to get on the ball but not do much with it and a statue beside him. 
kennedy I think is decent after we first went 343 and he was on the right with hayes on the left when he got injured people were gutted saying we were going to miss him in there

Kennedy is an absolute (and this cannot be emphasised strongly enough) SHITEBAG

Never seen a player pull out of as many challenges as he does 

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10 minutes ago, Millertime said:

Kennedy is an absolute (and this cannot be emphasised strongly enough) SHITEBAG

Never seen a player pull out of as many challenges as he does 

Niall McGinn?

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5 minutes ago, Millertime said:

Kennedy is an absolute (and this cannot be emphasised strongly enough) SHITEBAG

Never seen a player pull out of as many challenges as he does 

100%. Unfortunately it's a pattern. McInnes has NOTHING in the middle of the park. The only one (not on loan) that might develop into a decent footballer is Lewis Ferguson and whilst he's still young, he's not developing fast enough for me. He has too many non-contributory games and he's never going to be the creative type, he just doesn't have those skills. He's got great determination but that's not enough when the skill set required is more than just heart.

We could go through them individually and go back years. McInnes can't spot, recruit, develop or grow good midfielders. That's a fatal fault in his job. Pity re Kennedy. I thought he had promise after his first couple of showings. He's shite. 

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Kennedy will quickly fall under the spell of ‘Considine syndrome’ where he’ll correctly be badged “the best right wing back we have for that position”

Honorable mention to McLennan who I haven’t see there, and an increasingly dishonourable mention to Ronnie, who no one has seen there, or anywhere else for that matter.

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11 hours ago, sooth_stander said:

Niall McGinn?

I think he is worse for it than even mcginn!

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