Maradona

[afc1903mad]

20 minutes ago, WesthillWanderersFC said:

The GOAT debate should only revolve around achievements ON the pitch & the ability of the player & how they influenced the teams they played with. 

We all know about the drugs, the alcohol, the infidelities, associations with Neapolitan Mafia etc etc... why does that make him a lesser footballer than Pele as you said? 

 

 

Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has them.

We have a differing opinion, that’s fine

[aberdeen1970]

Pele was a naughty boy off the pitch as well.  It was just he was protected more and played in Brazil in a time when news didn't really travel from South America to Europe. Maradona played in Europe in the days when the paparazzi were becoming more common. 

In any case, you should never expect footballers to be role models. Something they generally didn't ask for anyway. 

Goat should be measured by on pitch stuff only. 

[Guest milne_afc]

https://youtu.be/e4fzeK3SQa4

[shut up meg]

3 hours ago, WesthillWanderersFC said:

The GOAT debate should only revolve around achievements ON the pitch & the ability of the player & how they influenced the teams they played with. 

We all know about the drugs, the alcohol, the infidelities, associations with Neapolitan Mafia etc etc... why does that make him a lesser footballer than Pele as you said? 

 

 

Aye, he was a football player, not a BB leader.

[WesthillWanderersFC]

9 minutes ago, shut up meg said:

Aye, he was a football player, not a BB leader.

And as a footballer, there’s been no-one better in my opinion.

The dragging of an average Argentina team to a World Cup & an average Napoli to two Seria A titles wins it over Messi in my opinion.

 

[shut up meg]

He dragged an even worse Argentina team to the final in 1990 as well.

I never saw Pele in action however Maradona is the best I've ever seen.

[perthshirered]

4 minutes ago, WesthillWanderersFC said:

And as a footballer, there’s been no-one better in my opinion.

The dragging of an average Argentina team to a World Cup & an average Napoli to two Seria A titles wins it over Messi in my opinion.

 

It's a bit of a myth that Argentina were average. 

[Jocky Balboa]

Interesting debate about the GOAT. I grew up watching Pele videos with my old man, as well as Mexico '86 videos. To my mind, one thing that has to be taken into account is that of his 3 World Cup victories, Pele was in Brazil sides so good, they would have arguably won without him. Certainly the 1958 and 1970 tournaments, anyway, such was their brilliance.

Conversely, Napoli were a very unfancied side who massively overachieved due to Maradona. While I think it's harsh to say the Argentina side in 1986 were ordinary, I think the excellent German side would have bested them in the final if not for Maradona. Undeniably the 1990 incarnation of Argentina were very poor by comparison and there's little doubt that Maradona and Caniggia were responsible for taking them to the final.

[WesthillWanderersFC]

2 hours ago, perthshirered said:

It's a bit of a myth that Argentina were average. 

It’s not really.

They’d have got nowhere near the final without Maradona. 
 

[perthshirered]

34 minutes ago, WesthillWanderersFC said:

It’s not really.

They’d have got nowhere near the final without Maradona. 
 

He was hardly surrounded by dross, more than half of them were title winners and/or Copa Libertadores winners, that's before taking their big hitters like Valdano and Diego himself into account. 

[The Boofon]

20 hours ago, afc1903mad said:

His off field habits for me is a huge tarnish to his reputation and why he was never considered as an Ambassador for football.

An absolutely immense player but I’d pick Pele ahead of Maradona for those reasons

Makes him a proper bloody ledge in my book.

[aberdeen1970]

Needing a player to be a Fifa ambassador before considering him as goat is completely daft. 

Fifa are the most corrupt bunch of cunts in the whole of football. (apart from the Huns and the spfl). 

[Parklife]

Who gives a fuck if he took recreational drugs and shagged women who wasn't supposed to? Not sure how that would "tarnish" his reputation as a footballer. 

The full Argentina vs England game from Mexico '86 is on the iplayer, if anyone wants to watch a full match of his genius this Sunday. 

[Parklife]

1 minute ago, rocket_scientist said:

What does this mean?

Who are women we are "supposed to" shag compared to those we aren't "supposed to"?

Agree with the conclusion but an unfortunate way with words. 

Women who aren't his wife, RS. You know exactly what I meant but because I said it, you want to have a fight about it. 

Bore off. 

[Parklife]

1 minute ago, rocket_scientist said:

You are doing it again. You are making the same mistakes. 

??

[Big Hat Logan]

45 minutes ago, rocket_scientist said:

What does this mean?

Who are women we are "supposed to" shag compared to those we aren't "supposed to"?

Agree with the conclusion but an unfortunate way with words. 

Sunday morning, trying to start an argument over the way someone has worded something on the internet.

Life experience though.

[daytripping]

3 hours ago, rocket_scientist said:

Why did you start with the insults again?

Why didn't you stop and think that there might be something significant to be learned here? You did acknowledge that you're "not the smartest in the room" and yet you act like you've got fuck all to learn because you know it all.

I don't want the "fight" that you've wrongly assumed I'm after but it's not going to be possible to have the adult exchanges you say you want when you keep on insulting me. Can we start again?

You wouldn't turn up anyway!! ??

[Parklife]

1 hour ago, daytripping said:

You wouldn't turn up anyway!! ??

+1 for accuracy. 

[Matt Armstrong's Dog]

20 hours ago, WesthillWanderersFC said:

It’s not really.

They’d have got nowhere near the final without Maradona. 
 

Correct. Watched the quarter final they played against England at Mexico '86 again on Friday and if it wasn't for Diego Maradona England would have progressed. 

Argentina were a very average team of cynicism that was countered with Maradona's undoubted class. 

[caledonia]

Thought this was a great photo and also liked the quote “was on the same pitch as him but he was on a different planet”