Aberdeen sack Derek McInnes

[Ten Caat]

17 minutes ago, Donmacca said:

I'm sure UEFA pay travel expenses like charter flights etc.

I queried this the other day in another thread

If UEFA were covering the cost, surely they would insist on clubs using the smallest practical plane to do the journey in? Players plus managerial, coaching, physio and medical staff cant really total more than 40 or so. Yet sevco have been using a Boeing 757 all season.......even in an all business class configuration it still holds 100 odd. And they used it even to fly to Liege.....a flight of about 75 minutes so its not as if they need the 757 for it's range capabilities.

[RUL]

Just now, Ernie McCracken said:

Eh? He doesn't buy the comment? What the fuck does that mean? His budget is either higher, equal to or less than other clubs in the league. 

It's commonly understood that Aberdeen have the 3rd highest budget, if that is not correct he should clarify. 

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[Ernie McCracken]

4 minutes ago, RUL said:

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Seems like he's trying to dismiss it as a factor but leaving wriggle room to allow for the fact that it probably is 3rd highest. 

Comes across as if he's saying it's not a big enough advantage to count. Poor show. 

[StandFree1982]

1 minute ago, Ernie McCracken said:

Seems like he's trying to dismiss it as a factor but leaving wriggle room to allow for the fact that it probably is 3rd highest. 

Comes across as if he's saying it's not a big enough advantage to count. Poor show. 

If budgets are not a big enough advantage, why is our target 3rd place, and not 1st, or 10th or somewhere in between? It's because of budgets and the expectations that come with those budgets. Particularly in the long term, you'll get your Motherwells, St Johnstone, Inverness CT, Killies etc punching above their weight every so often, but they can't sustain it long term. 

[RUL]

Well st mirren budget is 3m...

[StandFree1982]

11 hours ago, donswin1983 said:

Great point...I just wish he could see what we can see. If you ‘love’ the club like you say you do, then do the right thing and stand aside....

He's under contract, Unless he's getting paid out of his contract I don't blame him (same as Lennon) for not wanting to give that up. 

Would you give up a years salary?

[NEM]

36 minutes ago, Ernie McCracken said:

Eh? He doesn't buy the comment? What the fuck does that mean? His budget is either higher, equal to or less than other clubs in the league. 

It's commonly understood that Aberdeen have the 3rd highest budget, if that is not correct he should clarify or a least give an indication as to who he thinks has a bigger budget. 

He's probably right enough - his vastly overinflated wage takes a huge fucking chunk out of the football budget so we probably are left spending the same on players as Hibs etc.

[StandFree1982]

1 minute ago, Millertime said:

That doesn't make sense though

As even if we do pay more than hibs, it will be 15 or so percent more

The Glasgow two are 5-600% more

On the other end of the scale, We are paying ~300% more than Livingstone, but we've just played them twice and got 1/6 points and they are right behind us in the league and looking like they'll overtake us if we continue in the form we're in. 

In terms of honours, we've won the same amount, or less than, St Johnstone, Killie, Inverness, St Mirren, Hibs and Hearts (to name a few) in the last 20 years.  

Budgets do give an advantage, as Celtic, Rangers, Man City, Bayern, Barcelona, Real etc are finding out in their leagues, but it requires a manager to actually take that budget and make it an advantage. I don't feel like we've done that in the past 3 seasons. Especially performance wise, with the money we are paying in comparison to St MIrren, for example, we play absolute dog shite football.  

[Guest]

I would be interested to know how much the budget gap would have to be between the  5th and 6th placed sides for him to consider it an advantage.

This is when he annoys folk, he lives in a delusional little world that only bringing in that much money could allow one to.

[WesthillWanderersFC]

44 minutes ago, Millertime said:

And if we finish 3rd he deserves to stay

On the proviso that we play a nicer style

The first bit is unlikely.

The second bit hasn’t been seen post 2017. 

We need change. 

[StandFree1982]

6 minutes ago, WesthillWanderersFC said:

The first bit is unlikely.

The second bit hasn’t been seen post 2017. 

We need change. 

We need to massively improve to think about third, however Hibs were fucking awful in that game against us until they scored. The difference between the two is that they have players able to make cutting passes and forwards running onto through balls. 

[Ten Caat]

1 hour ago, Ernie McCracken said:

Eh? He doesn't buy the comment? What the fuck does that mean? His budget is either higher, equal to or less than other clubs in the league. 

It's commonly understood that Aberdeen have the 3rd highest budget, if that is not correct he should clarify or a least give an indication as to who he thinks has a bigger budget. 

Hearts would probably contest the fact that we have the 3rd biggest budget now. Despite Granny Budge's wailing and gnashing of teeth about having to cut costs in the wake of their relegation. 

Hibs are also closing in year on year...if we don't improve ours then they'll catch up within 2-3 years

[Ten Caat]

1 hour ago, Millertime said:

Is there an argument to be had that we need to pay players more to move to Aberdeen than if they moved to Edinburgh or Glasgow?

Not a slagging to aberdeen  just a genuine observation as its miles away from.the rest of the UK?

It's not an argument it's a known fact

If we are targeting a player who both lives and plays for a club in the central belt, if say Hibs and Dundee United were also interested, we'd have to go the extra mile because with the other 2 clubs, the distance to travel is still commutable on a daily basis so no need to move house if he so desired. Aberdeen isn't commutable....so they'd incur costs of relocation. 

[Simosmashed my knee]

He has definitely come out fighting, defending himself reference budgets etc - he is delusional!! I wish the crowds were back in so he would get the true feeling of frustration from the fans, not the few emails he has had from the Happy Clapper Brigade.

[donswin1983]

1 hour ago, StandFree1982 said:

He's under contract, Unless he's getting paid out of his contract I don't blame him (same as Lennon) for not wanting to give that up. 

Would you give up a years salary?

I wouldn’t, no. But I don’t claim to love my employer. Maybe if I had the emotional connection that DM claims I may be more inclined to do the right thing...

[StandFree1982]

Just now, donswin1983 said:

I wouldn’t, no. But I don’t claim to love my employer. Maybe if I had the emotional connection that DM claims I may be more inclined to do the right thing...

"love" is out of the window when it comes to losing the guts of £1M from a contract.

If Cormack wants him gone, he'll need to cough up as there's no way he's walking away with nothing. 

[aberdeen1970]

I notice Clarke is now the bookies favourite for the Celtic job. 

Might be a chance that Celtic pay compensation for Clarke and the SFA then pay compensation for McInnes after the summer finals. 

Win win finance wise 

[Matt Armstrong's Dog]

Whilst the budget we have available is a major contributing factor to the standard of player we can attract and the levels of performance possible, players and management who are employed by Aberdeen should do there utmost to relocate to Aberdeen in order to be able to perform to consistently high levels as it is nigh impossible to do so if deciding to stay an unreasonable distance away (e.g. like Derek McInnes and Tony Docherty do). 

The only player in living memory that was able to do this and still perform to consistent high levels was Lee Miller who stayed in Perth during his time with Aberdeen. That was an exception to the rule though. 

Regardless of where players and management reside, it's what happens on the pitch that counts. However, as we all know, this has been appalling lately and perhaps this is reflective of players and managers unwillingness to relocate and general attitude towards Aberdeen and us supporters. 

[Matt Armstrong's Dog]

1 hour ago, StandFree1982 said:

On the other end of the scale, We are paying ~300% more than Livingstone

Well I hope so min, he died a long time ago. Died a painful, horrible death by all accounts. 

[NEM]

2 hours ago, Matt Armstrong's Dog said:

Well I hope so min, he died a long time ago. Died a painful, horrible death by all accounts. 

Ken?  Hadn't realised he'd popped his clogs.  Pleasing to hear ?

[Matt Armstrong's Dog]

11 minutes ago, NEM said:

Ken?  Hadn't realised he'd popped his clogs.  Pleasing to hear ?

??Old Kenneth, we miss him from Labour?.

[ericblack4boss]

Well I have to say I agree with the sleekit cunt when he says to most clubs 3rd is the holy grail. 

For clubs with smaller budgets, with ambition, drive, and desire 3rd place SHOULD be their target, thier holy grail and if it is then they are to be commended and praised. 

But for the fucking prick to say it should be ours, is another example of his total disregard for fans ambitions. 

The sooner he fucks off the better, fucking imbecile 

[ericblack4boss]

13 minutes ago, Millertime said:

Or, he is tempering expectation to avoid any media headlines, since he is absolutely brilliant with the media

Something dense folk can't see?

Looking to again dodge accountability 

[ericblack4boss]

4 minutes ago, Millertime said:

No, he is playing the media like he should 

Its fairly obvious if you think about it

Playing the media, sleekit cunt is an expert at it, 

[aberdeen1970]

Insinuating the players were under too much pressure due to the speculation about his job is a serious brass neck though! 

[ericblack4boss]

5 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said:

Insinuating the players were under too much pressure due to the speculation about his job is a serious brass neck though! 

After his, love the club more than any fan, comment last week there is no bounds to his arseholity

[Ke1t]

1 minute ago, ericblack4boss said:

After his, love the club more than any fan, comment last week there is no bounds to his arseholity

There's an easy way to figure out if Derek loves the club more than the fans. 

Aberdeen fans turn up on a Saturday and pay to watch the team play. 

McInnes turns up because he gets paid six figures. 

Stop paying McInnes and see how often he turns up. 

 

[aberdeen1970]

4 minutes ago, ericblack4boss said:

After his, love the club more than any fan, comment last week there is no bounds to his arseholity

Aye, the full list there. 

Blamed the ref for the penalty decision 

Blamed the press for his players being under pressure 

By implication, blamed his players for not being able to handle the pressure

Blamed the club for the Leigh injury and the late recruitment. 

 

 

[Sheepo]

Budgets, finishing 3rd or 4th or 10th still doesn't excuse the Horrendous football he plays. Style of football is a choice nothing to do with Budgets. Mcinnes chooses to play long ball defensive football this is the problem I have with him. 

[aberdeen1970]

16 minutes ago, Ke1t said:

There's an easy way to figure out if Derek loves the club more than the fans. 

Aberdeen fans turn up on a Saturday and pay to watch the team play. 

McInnes turns up because he gets paid six figures. 

Stop paying McInnes and see how often he turns up. 

 

Aye he overstepped the mark there. 

Millertime is right, he's good at playing the media for the benefit of Derek McInnes normally but he was definitely flustered last weekend and got his lines wrong a couple of times.