The Mckenna Dilemma

[fine-n-dandy]

It's really going nuts down there now.

Theres players with absolutely no proven history at the top level being touted at 30-40m etc

Harry Maguire - 60-80m

Unreal.

Exactly why £10m (possibly with added appearances add ons) is the absolute minimum starting bids for McKenna or fk off.

That also includes 20/25% sell on clause. Depending on club, also add in an avoiding relegation etc. add on

[Reliablesource]

It's really going nuts down there now.

 

Theres players with absolutely no proven history at the top level being touted at 30-40m etc

 

Harry Maguire - 60-80m

 

Unreal.

It's quite real though. Natural even, if unfortunate.

 

If we have £2/3 million coming in from a tv deal and advertising and are able to spend around a quarter of that on player transfer fees, the guff league cunts have £2/300 million coming in from similar sources and are easily able to spend a quarter of that on signings. It's probably quite natural that the market will inflate the standard players value by around ×100.

[fine-n-dandy]

It's quite real though. Natural even, if unfortunate.

If we have £2/3 million coming in from a tv deal and advertising and are able to spend around a quarter of that on player transfer fees, the guff league cunts have £2/300 million coming in from similar sources and are easily able to spend a quarter of that on signings. It's probably quite natural that the market will inflate the standard players value by around ×100.

& we do not have to sell to their market without them reaching THEIR market prices.

 

Bad enough when the arse cheeks try & bully players from other Scottish clubs on the cheap.

 

We need to stop being bitches

[Reliablesource]

& we do not have to sell to their market without them reaching THEIR market prices.

 

Bad enough when the arse cheeks try & bully players from other Scottish clubs on the cheap.

 

We need to stop being bitches

That's not really how it works though unfortunately.

 

Scott Mckenna doesn't operate in THAT market, he's an asset in the Scottish market. His value would immediately inflate to an England level, if he transferred into that market.

 

A club will generally only pay based on the market rate of the league it's buying from, unless a 'buy out' has to be met. This is the same for any commodity, in the conditions of a given market.

[fine-n-dandy]

That's not really how it works though unfortunately.

Scott Mckenna doesn't operate in THAT market, he's an asset in the Scottish market. His value would immediately inflate to an England level, if he transferred into that market.

A club will generally only pay based on the market rate of the league it's buying from, unless a 'buy out' has to be met. This is the same for any commodity, in the conditions of a given market.

Why just league. He's an international also, he's captained his country. He has now also held his own in direct competition to a team from that very market also.

 

The only problem is the views/attitudes people take towards players from certain countries & not judge the actual players as an individual. With the irony being it is the players individual performances that have attracted all the attention in the first place.

 

Our club simply needs to ignore all the attitudes & resultant valuations from said attitudes. Attitudes that people like yourself do nothing to help with

 

Fuck them all.

[fine-n-dandy]

Strange that the media haven't done the usual pathetic links to one of our players prior to the Sevco game.

 

Huns are in market for a left sided CH & not a peep from the peepholes media to unsettle him yet.

Maybe they would come under too much fire for doing so when we have Burnley game to worry about first. Guess it'll start on fri morning

[Chewie37]

Strange that the media haven't done the usual pathetic links to one of our players prior to the Sevco game.

Huns are in market for a left sided CH & not a peep from the peepholes media to unsettle him yet.

Maybe they would come under too much fire for doing so when we have Burnley game to worry about first. Guess it'll start on fri morning

It’s coming, don’t worry. Traynor has his media releases at the ready

[strachanmcgheegoal]

Itll be up after the Simmie special on Friday. Hopefully to dampen our third round euro ardour and lift the Sevco drop outs deflated SG balloon.

[RedRichard]

Truth is, the Huns can't afford Scott. He should wait and go straight to an EPL side, next summer at the earliest.

[fine-n-dandy]

Truth is, the Huns can't afford Scott. He should wait and go straight to an EPL side, next summer at the earliest.

 

They cannot afford half the players they are linked with.

 

A lot of the times they are linked with our players it is to unsettle & the media are only too happy to do their bidding

[Chewie37]

Truth is, the Huns can't afford Scott. He should wait and go straight to an EPL side, next summer at the earliest.

 

Noticed a story the other day where they quoted a loan deal as being worth a few million, including wages and signing fee, desperate to make it look like they have money

[Sealion]

Swansea had a boy up on Thursday watching.

[caledonia]

Swansea had a boy up on Thursday watching.

 

how do you know this

[Betty Swallicks]

If any club offer 4mil plus it'll be in the biscuit tin at Milne Mansion and he'll be away.

 

Our only hope would be if we had a big sell on clause and I'd not hold my breath regarding that.

[dave_min]

Swansea had a boy up on Thursday watching.

He won't have done himself any harm on Thursdays showing.

[Sealion]

Cos I kain the boy hes from Fochabers. Seen him after the game. Might see him this weekend so pile him full of drink and see what he says.

[tightbreeks]

If we beat burnley and McKenna turns up, then 10 million at least plus that sell on clause that the victims had on Virgil.

[Sealion]

Aye. Caught him outside the main stand.

[G31DON]

English players have a huge premium due to needing to have a minimum number of home grown/trained players in their squad. McKenna doesn't count unfortunately, as that would have increased his value.

[Donnet]

"In line with the Clubs ambition to become a UEFA Top 100 club, the funds gained from the sale of Scott McKenna are to be re-invested in training facilities in order to produce even more players of his calibre in the future. We can now announce all funding is in place to complete the "Scott McKenna Kingsford Training Complex"."

[Redforever86]

That's not really how it works though unfortunately.

 

Scott Mckenna doesn't operate in THAT market, he's an asset in the Scottish market. His value would immediately inflate to an England level, if he transferred into that market.

 

A club will generally only pay based on the market rate of the league it's buying from, unless a 'buy out' has to be met. This is the same for any commodity, in the conditions of a given market.

 

 

This is complete shite. Scott Mckenna operates in the only market there is. The world wide market for football players. He doesn't need a work permit to play in any European country, so the only countries where his market value might be different is Asia etc where they have caps on foreign imports etc.

 

As a commodity he is different to a player developed in England or of English birth but it is the same market.

 

Going by your daft theory, in the Scottish market he would be worth (for example) £3M and the EPL market £10M, so we would happily accept £3M from Celtic but hold out for £10M from and English club. Which as you can see is complete fucking nonsense.

 

What you are trying to explain (wrongly) is that Scottish players or those based in Scotland are normally valued lower than those already based in England, specifically players from out with the old firm.

 

A number of factors can be contributed to this, the majority of them are perceived and subjective. Lack of big game experience, only played against shite teams in Scotland, might not cope with moving far away from home, might be a Scottish waster not going to reach true potential, (Riordan, Goodwillie, O'Connor all not achieving potential), doesn't count as a home grown player. But the BIGGEST factor is that we meekly roll over and accept shite bids at the first opportunity.

 

If a bidding war is created between two clubs from any league(s), then they will pay the full amount of what that player is worth. The true market value.

[Don Fonte]

Everyone's getting fair worked up over a currently hypothetical situation.

[Reliablesource]

 

 

This is complete shite. Scott Mckenna operates in the only market there is. The world wide market for football players. He doesn't need a work permit to play in any European country, so the only countries where his market value might be different is Asia etc where they have caps on foreign imports etc.

 

As a commodity he is different to a player developed in England or of English birth but it is the same market.

 

Going by your daft theory, in the Scottish market he would be worth (for example) £3M and the EPL market £10M, so we would happily accept £3M from Celtic but hold out for £10M from and English club. Which as you can see is complete fucking nonsense.

 

What you are trying to explain (wrongly) is that Scottish players or those based in Scotland are normally valued lower than those already based in England, specifically players from out with the old firm.

 

A number of factors can be contributed to this, the majority of them are perceived and subjective. Lack of big game experience, only played against shite teams in Scotland, might not cope with moving far away from home, might be a Scottish waster not going to reach true potential, (Riordan, Goodwillie, O'Connor all not achieving potential), doesn't count as a home grown player. But the BIGGEST factor is that we meekly roll over and accept shite bids at the first opportunity.

 

If a bidding war is created between two clubs from any league(s), then they will pay the full amount of what that player is worth. The true market value.

You see everything wrong. You are thoroughly misguided.

 

Here's a thing.

If I want to buy a product in Africa and the same comparitve product is available in say the USA, there are no tariffs involved and everything is equal. The products are selling domestically for hugely different prices as the African market is very weak and there is no money around there. What do I do? Do I say to the African "Here, take some more money please because I would have to pay 3 times as much in the USA" ?

No. Do I fuck, that would be stupid.

 

If you think the football world is one big market, like you say and everything is valued equally, then you are completely detached from reality.

 

I can only think of 1 Scottish footballing product that (reportedly) sold for over £6 million in the history of the fucking game. All of a sudden we are going to get double that for an Aberdeen player? Not a fucking hope in hell I'm afraid.

 

You touched on a "bidding war" though. That indeed is the only hope of getting the kind of figures some people are hoping for. Can't see it though.

 

Mckenna will eventually move on, we will get a substantial amount of money for him. It will be miles higher than our previous record fee and it it'll be fair but cunts will greet that it wasn't enough and it will all be the boards fault. That's just how it goes.

[Chewie37]

Everyone's getting fair worked up over a currently hypothetical situation.

Isn’t everything on here hypopathetical?

[NEM]

You see everything wrong. You are thoroughly misguided.

 

Here's a thing.

If I want to buy a product in Africa and the same comparitve product is available in say the USA, there are no tariffs involved and everything is equal. The products are selling domestically for hugely different prices as the African market is very weak and there is no money around there. What do I do? Do I say to the African "Here, take some more money please because I would have to pay 3 times as much in the USA" ?

No. Do I fuck, that would be stupid.

 

If you think the football world is one big market, like you say and everything is valued equally, then you are completely detached from reality.

 

I can only think of 1 Scottish footballing product that (reportedly) sold for over £6 million in the history of the fucking game. All of a sudden we are going to get double that for an Aberdeen player? Not a fucking hope in hell I'm afraid.

 

You touched on a "bidding war" though. That indeed is the only hope of getting the kind of figures some people are hoping for. Can't see it though.

 

Mckenna will eventually move on, we will get a substantial amount of money for him. It will be miles higher than our previous record fee and it it'll be fair but cunts will greet that it wasn't enough and it will all be the boards fault. That's just how it goes.

 

 

I can think of 4 straight off the top of my head

 

Gordon, Hutton, Armstrong, Van Djke

 

"reliable" source lol

[Chewie37]

I can think of 4 straight off the top of my head

 

Gordon, Hutton, Armstrong, Van Djke

 

"reliable" source lol

Think he’s maybe meaning home grown? So Van Dyke doesn’t count. But yeah there’s been a few

[The Hulk]

 

Gordon, Hutton, Armstrong, Van Djke

 

All four of whom were on more than £10k per week salaries before they left their respective clubs, ergo to further Reliablesource's point, they were already rated as premium quality goods by the selling clubs within the market they were operating.

 

Romanov knew he had a sought-after prospect in Gordon and took a punt on giving him (well documented at the time) a massive salary hike before hawking him around the EPL.

[Ernie McCracken]

 

All four of whom were on more than £10k per week salaries before they left their respective clubs, ergo to further Reliablesource's point, they were already rated as premium quality goods by the selling clubs within the market they were operating.

 

Romanov knew he had a sought-after prospect in Gordon and took a punt on giving him (well documented at the time) a massive salary hike before hawking him around the EPL.

Am I missing something?

 

Why would aberdeen choose to adhere to some valuation formula based on wages and other factors etc when there is no obligation for us to do so?

[NEM]

 

All four of whom were on more than £10k per week salaries before they left their respective clubs, ergo to further Reliablesource's point, they were already rated as premium quality goods by the selling clubs within the market they were operating.

 

Romanov knew he had a sought-after prospect in Gordon and took a punt on giving him (well documented at the time) a massive salary hike before hawking him around the EPL.

 

 

Where did he mention salaries?

[boboisared]

Am I missing something?

 

Why would aberdeen choose to adhere to some valuation formula based on wages and other factors etc when there is no obligation for us to do so?

Where do you think the valuations come from?