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Poll: Should Scotland be an independent country? (145 member(s) have cast votes)

Should Scotland be an independent country?

  1. Yes (110 votes [75.86%])

    Percentage of vote: 75.86%

  2. No (35 votes [24.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 24.14%

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#1411 ONLINE   afc_blockhead

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Posted 02 May 2019 - 02:13 PM

1 the sun Hahahaha
2 Ireland have had 3 currency’s in 100 years and no drama
3 anyone who believes this shit after all the lies in run up to 2014 is either thick or is happy to peddle it because it suits their agenda
4 remember the sun saying we would have an armed border between Scotland and England well see Ireland

 

Did the SNP/Yes campaign not lie during the 2014 campaign? Of course they fucking did. Those projected record oil revenues didn't quite materialise for a start?

 

Militant Yes voters in my experience were/are the thickest people you could meet  :whistling:  They can't admit to themselves for 1 second that any aspect of being independent could possibly be shit/a disaster


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#1412 ONLINE   Parklife

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Posted 02 May 2019 - 02:24 PM

without oil money we'd be fucked.


Thanks for, once more, showing you don't have much of a clue about pretty much anything haha
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#1413 OFFLINE   daytripping

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Posted 02 May 2019 - 02:33 PM

Aye we were “better together” when you were moaning about being unemployed and the govt doing fuck all for you.

 

They actually paid for some training through the oil fund, came in very handy.


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#1414 OFFLINE   daytripping

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Posted 02 May 2019 - 02:35 PM

Thanks for, once more, showing you don't have much of a clue about pretty much anything haha

 

:laughing:

 

We'd be fucked without oil, anyone who says otherwise is deluded.


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#1415 OFFLINE   maryhilldon

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Posted 02 May 2019 - 02:41 PM

:laughing:

We'd be fucked without oil, anyone who says otherwise is deluded.


Lucky for us we have oil then eh!
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Posted 02 May 2019 - 02:45 PM

UK oil production in 2018 - 1.09m bpd 

 

https://www.rigzone....158355-article/

 

So a total of 398m barrels for the year.  Average oil price in 2018 - $71.06.  

 

https://www.statista...ges-since-1976/

 

Total value of oil extracted from North Sea in the UK is worth $28bn.

 

Predicted tax receipts in 2018 - $1.4bn.  This includes gas as well though, where revenues are based on oil.  

 

https://newsbase.com...op-us15-billion

 

Seems pretty low, 5% (at absolute max) of oil produced ends up going to the treasury.  

 

Done to protect the industry supposedly, but really it was done to protect the shareholder.  


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#1417 OFFLINE   daytripping

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Posted 02 May 2019 - 02:47 PM

UK oil production in 2018 - 1.09m bpd 

 

https://www.rigzone....158355-article/

 

So a total of 398m barrels for the year.  Average oil price in 2018 - $71.06.  

 

https://www.statista...ges-since-1976/

 

Total value of oil extracted from North Sea in the UK is worth $28bn.

 

Predicted tax receipts in 2018 - $1.4bn.  This includes gas as well though, where revenues are based on oil.  

 

https://newsbase.com...op-us15-billion

 

Seems pretty low, 5% (at absolute max) of oil produced ends up going to the treasury.  

 

Done to protect the industry supposedly, but really it was done to protect the shareholder.  

 

How much raised from the folk employed directly and indirectly through the oil and gas industry?


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Posted 02 May 2019 - 02:57 PM

How much raised from the folk employed directly and indirectly through the oil and gas industry?

 

A considerable amount of course, but that is irrelevant as we are talking about North Sea revenues and PAYE/NIC/VAT are not included in that.  

 

What I am meaning is that the tax rates applied to North Sea production were slashed, but still headcount was reduced massively across the industry and other cost cutting measures applied.  So the tax reduction certainly didn't protect those depending on the industry for employment.  


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Posted 02 May 2019 - 02:59 PM

:laughing:

We'd be fucked without oil, anyone who says otherwise is deluded.


Good evidence offered there...

Lucky we do have oil then. We've got fucking loads of it. Yaldy.

Now, what a competent government would have done with this oil revenue is invest the proceeds (or at least a proportion of them) in an oil fund, which would grow and give a security blanket to protect the nation from fluctuations in oil prices. We could've been doing what Norway have done for the past 40 years (they have the largest sovereign wealth fund on the planet worth $1.3trillion).

Bizarre that some folk see decades of complete mismanagement of our natural resources as a case FOR the Union.

What we should be doing (if we were governed properly) is ploughing investment in to training and infrastructure to support our renewable energy sector. Our location gives us great opportunity to capitalise on the strong winds coming across the Atlantic. However, due to more ineptitude from the UK Government, we're now missing out on the opportunities this gives to give our manufacturing sector a boost.

Scotland, the only country in the world where swathes of the population think huge natural resources is a burden. Wha's like us?
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Posted 02 May 2019 - 03:08 PM

Also...

 

Take BP as an example:

 

https://www.bp.com/c...nments-2017.pdf

https://www.bp.com/c...nments-2016.pdf

https://www.bp.com/c...nments-2015.pdf

 

Seem to be able to operate in every other country in the world paying taxes, but have not done so in the UK 2015 through 2017 (instead drawing money from the treasury).  I feel it is a bit remiss to comment on the impact on payments to the treasury for North Sea oil activity, when the tax regime could be different...


Edited by Foster14, 02 May 2019 - 03:09 PM.

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#1421 OFFLINE   maryhilldon

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Posted 02 May 2019 - 03:12 PM





Scotland, the only country in the world where swathes of the population think huge natural resources is a burden. Wha's like us?


An oil rich Western country with 1 in 3 kids living in relative poverty and tens of thousands using food banks while London can spend 15B on some new rail lines.
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#1422 ONLINE   Bad_Mobby

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Posted 02 May 2019 - 03:18 PM

^ That’s Capitalism for you

Edit to add - Corbdog will sort shit out

Edited by Bad_Mobby, 02 May 2019 - 03:21 PM.

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Posted 02 May 2019 - 04:12 PM

An oil rich Western country with 1 in 3 kids living in relative poverty and tens of thousands using food banks while London can spend 15B on some new rail lines.



Hey!!

IIRC We spent tens/ hundreds of millions on new trains so the Aberdeen- Edinburgh route is one minute quicker.

It's not all centralised rail spending!
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Posted 02 May 2019 - 04:16 PM

I think the oil crash made people think...wtf would we do if we were independent, without oil money we'd be fucked.

 

Did they, aye? 


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#1425 OFFLINE   maryhilldon

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Posted 02 May 2019 - 05:11 PM

Hey!!

IIRC We spent tens/ hundreds of millions on new trains so the Aberdeen- Edinburgh route is one minute quicker.

It's not all centralised rail spending!


They're gonna spend another 30-40B on HS2 so bankers can save a few minutes commuting.
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#1426 OFFLINE   eeps

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Posted 02 May 2019 - 05:22 PM

I think my previous post clearly established just some of the things from which I diverge from Farage. That you responded as you did suggests you either didn't read it properly, or are just trying to pick a fight.

Incidentally, I could have mentioned how Farage, UKIP, the EDL and "Tommy Robinson" were/are controlled opposition, set up and encouraged by the establishment (their massive overrepresentation on Question Time being a point in question) to quell/contain Euroscepticism and British Nationalism. While they succeeded in smashing the BNP, they unleashed a Pandora's Box of toxic English nationalism, from which Unionism may never recover.

On the plus side, the farce of the Brexit aftermath has let the wider UK public see the sectarian simpletons of the (to the right of UKIP) joke party that are the DUP for what they really are; antiquated, Creationist, anti-Catholic bigots whom, if they climbed into the NINETEENTH century, it would represent progress.


Fair play to you Jocky you are a nationalist and I doubt you'll ever change. I respect that, I don't think your views are markedly different from Farage though just that you are Scottish variety he is English variety. You think Scotland better of out of UK he doesn't.

I personally think UK is whole which is greater than the sum of its parts. All parts would be diminished if broken up. We share culture, language and history. I understand the nationalist desire just don't share it.
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Posted 02 May 2019 - 05:24 PM

Did they, aye?


Aye because the economic plan for independence was based on oil revenue.
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Posted 02 May 2019 - 05:24 PM

Nothing ventured nothing gained.
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Posted 02 May 2019 - 05:32 PM

Nothing ventured nothing gained.


Touche
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#1430 OFFLINE   Redforever86

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Posted 02 May 2019 - 05:57 PM

I personally think UK is whole which is greater than the sum of its parts. All parts would be diminished if broken up. We share culture, language and history. I understand the nationalist desire just don't share it.


Why do you think we are better together as a hole? We lose any influence in Europe, the English squander away our fishing rights etc etc.

Our 5M population has fuck all say in anything beyond Europe, part of the UK or not we are insignificant and London decides everything regardless.

Ah the great British culture, if it ever existed it’s fading fast, England is all grime music and everyone being a minor celeb. We should get out while we can.
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Posted 02 May 2019 - 07:20 PM

:laughing:

 

We'd be fucked without oil, anyone who says otherwise is deluded.

 

Have you told the likes of Italy,France and Germany


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Posted 02 May 2019 - 08:34 PM

https://theferret.sc...euro/<br><br> The idea that Scotland would need to adopt the Euro =  False.   


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Posted 02 May 2019 - 08:36 PM

https://www.channel4...fter-joining-eu

= still no fucking idea.
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Posted 03 May 2019 - 07:58 AM

https://theferret.sc...euro/<br><br> The idea that Scotland would need to adopt the Euro =  False.   

 

Holy cow!

 

What a blast from the past. 


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#1435 OFFLINE   Ohjimmyjimmy

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Posted 03 May 2019 - 08:24 AM

Holy cow!

What a blast from the past.


Probably a slip from a regular on here, logging in under their alter-ego username.

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Posted 03 May 2019 - 08:35 AM

 

We'd be fucked without oil

 

 

When you say "we", you mean England don't you?

 

In which case you are probably correct.


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Posted 03 May 2019 - 08:44 AM

You moving home for the next vote @muttonhumper min?


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Posted 03 May 2019 - 08:51 AM

I'm actually moving away for good I think.

 

Selling hoose in 'shire, buying in Cyprus.

 

So nae likely.

Unfortunate.


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Posted 03 May 2019 - 11:52 PM

Now that Kim Jong Butch is back from her designer baby sabbatical, things will get interesting. The way the media are fawning over her, you'd think it was the Second Coming of the Messiah.

She's not the Messiah, she's a nasty little cunt.

As a side note, the media are reaching new levels of delusion by touting her chances of being FM. The Tories haven't won an election in Scotland since the 1950's and never will again.
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