Match Thread (League Cup) Dundee 1 - 2 Aberdeen

[craegDAMH]

This is a very good post. Problem was poor contract management allowing a lot of our best players, and the spine of our best footballing sides of recent years, leave for little or nothing.

 

Imagine Stockley, Cosgrove and Rooney as our 3 rotating strikers. 

 

Shinnie, McLean and Ferguson midfield 3. That would be a brilliant squad.

 

How are you supposed to make players who want to leave sign a new contract? 

[WillieMiller]

How are you supposed to make players who want to leave sign a new contract? 

Get them on longer contracts earlier. If they have 12 months, or actually 18 months left, but seem to want to leave then sell on for a larger fee. 

[craegDAMH]

Get them on longer contracts earlier. If they have 12 months, or actually 18 months left, but seem to want to leave then sell on for a larger fee. 

 

So your solution to keep hold of our best players who want to leave at the end of their contract is to sell them earlier?

[Sonic]

How are you supposed to make players who want to leave sign a new contract? 

 

Our policy seems to be that we'd rather have them for a season and let them go for free.  Doesn't seem to have worked in our favour considering we've won fuck all and had to replace them anyway, without any additional cash.  

 

Maybe the reality is that footballers do not want to commit to more than 2 years up here.  But it's probably time we started selling again when someone comes sniffing.  Looking at 6 million for Mckenna as recently as last season.  Will do well to get 3 for him right now.  One way or another, he won't be a player here much longer.

[Proud Dandy]

Our policy seems to be that we'd rather have them for a season and let them go for free. Doesn't seem to have worked in our favour considering we've won fuck all and had to replace them anyway, without any additional cash.

 

Maybe the reality is that footballers do not want to commit to more than 2 years up here. But it's probably time we started selling again when someone comes sniffing. Looking at 6 million for Mckenna as recently as last season. Will do well to get 3 for him right now. One way or another, he won't be a player here much longer.

Really puzzled to see why people think McKenna’s value has plummeted in value after playing 3 matches. Most people would have been furious if we had sold him for £5m and now claiming his value has fallen by 50%.

[WillieMiller]

So your solution to keep hold of our best players who want to leave at the end of their contract is to sell them earlier?

Yes, rather than left them leave for nothing. 

 

Jack, McLean, Shinnie + Ferguson is a midfield 4 that is good enough for a title winning side. And we let 2 of those 4 go for nothing while the other left for less than what Hearts/Motherwell got for inferior players.

 

We had a great young Scottish group come through and got fuck all for them.

[WillieMiller]

Really puzzled to see why people think McKenna’s value has plummeted in value after playing 3 matches. Most people would have been furious if we had sold him for £5m and now claiming his value has fallen by 50%.

We aren't getting £10m for any of our players. Only the victims will be able to sell players for that amount. Maybe sevco if they somehow win league then get into champions league etc.

[shooftahmooftah]

Yes, rather than left them leave for nothing.

 

Jack, McLean, Shinnie + Ferguson is a midfield 4 that is good enough for a title winning side. And we let 2 of those 4 go for nothing while the other left for less than what Hearts/Motherwell got for inferior players.

 

We had a great young Scottish group come through and got fuck all for them.

Then what does that tell you about the idiots that run the club.???

[Clydeside_Sheep]

A piss poor performance and something of a scandal that we won.

 

I am glad I was not at the game, I kept up online / on the radio and even that was enough for me to wish the world would end.

 

Sometimes you can take comfort by thinking "we were rubbish and still won" but even that leaves you feeling hollow on this occasion.

[craegDAMH]

Yes, rather than left them leave for nothing. 

 

Jack, McLean, Shinnie + Ferguson is a midfield 4 that is good enough for a title winning side. And we let 2 of those 4 go for nothing while the other left for less than what Hearts/Motherwell got for inferior players.

 

We had a great young Scottish group come through and got fuck all for them.

 

So your idea to make the team better is to sell all our best players?

 

The purpose of a football club isn't to make profits on players, it's to win football matches. Selling all your best players is a recipe for ending up like Dundee Utd

[Sonic]

Really puzzled to see why people think McKenna’s value has plummeted in value after playing 3 matches. Most people would have been furious if we had sold him for £5m and now claiming his value has fallen by 50%.

 

Cause he's one year less on his contract & has told the club he's leaving, hands are now tied and interested parties know we have to take the highest low-ball we're offered.  

 

Wouldn't disagree that 5 million to Villa wouldn't have looked good at the time, but hindsight and all that.  We aren't in a position to ask for 9 million for him anymore.

[WillieMiller]

So your idea to make the team better is to sell all our best players?

 

The purpose of a football club isn't to make profits on players, it's to win football matches. Selling all your best players is a recipe for ending up like Dundee Utd

We're not Man City of course we have to eventually sell our best players. The problem is Dundee United sold them and replaced them with absolute donkeys. 

 

We should have been getting the creme de la creme in as replacements. Hibs got Scott Allan we should have got him as a McLean replacement. Hearts got Naismith we should have got him as a Christie replacement. Hearts got Halkett we should have got him as a Considine upgrade. We should have had all those players in as with the extra moolah we could offer significantly higher wages.

[craegDAMH]

We're not Man City of course we have to eventually sell our best players. The problem is Dundee United sold them and replaced them with absolute donkeys. 

 

We should have been getting the creme de la creme in as replacements. Hibs got Scott Allan we should have got him as a McLean replacement. Hearts got Naismith we should have got him as a Christie replacement. Hearts got Halkett we should have got him as a Considine upgrade. We should have had all those players in as with the extra moolah we could offer significantly higher wages.

 

Scott Allan is pish, Naismith is a hun and Halkett went to Hearts because his missus works in Edinburgh. We could've signed any of them without selling our best players

[WillieMiller]

Scott Allan is pish, Naismith is a hun and Halkett went to Hearts because his missus works in Edinburgh. We could've signed any of them without selling our best players

Scott Allan is exactly the kind of player we need. Naismith would be a revelation for us as he has been for Hearts. They'd be relegated without him.

 

Halkett would sign if we offered him £7k a week using the McKenna money.

[afc_blockhead]

Scott Allan is exactly the kind of player we need. Naismith would be a revelation for us as he has been for Hearts. They'd be relegated without him.

 

Halkett would sign if we offered him £7k a week using the McKenna money.

 

 

Fucking idiot! For at least 3 reasons just from that one sentence.

[BWG]

Scott Allan is exactly the kind of player we need. Naismith would be a revelation for us as he has been for Hearts. They'd be relegated without him.

 

Halkett would sign if we offered him £7k a week using the McKenna money.

 

This trolling is fucking boring now.  We know you're a tim.  Fuck off.

[WillieMiller]

 

Fucking idiot! For at least 3 reasons just from that one sentence.

Say that to my face bitch I will batter your blockhead in

[craegDAMH]

Scott Allan is exactly the kind of player we need. Naismith would be a revelation for us as he has been for Hearts. They'd be relegated without him.

 

Halkett would sign if we offered him £7k a week using the McKenna money.

 

Something we can agree on. We could definitely overpay average players to join us if we sold our best players. A winning strategy I'm sure

[afc_blockhead]

Say that to my face bitch I will batter your blockhead in

 

Any time.

 

Is BWG right, are you a tim? Mhink

[WillieMiller]

Any time.

 

Is BWG right, are you a tim? Mhink

No but I'm starting to think that you are a gimp

[Guest the shepherd]

Scott Allan is exactly the kind of player we need. Naismith would be a revelation for us as he has been for Hearts. They'd be relegated without him.

 

Halkett would sign if we offered him £7k a week using the McKenna money.

Who's to say we didn't enquire about each of the players you mentioned. You seem to know a lot about our club behind the scenes and how they operate.

 

By the way, how are the fish keeping in the River Clyde these days?

[Ten Caat]

We're not Man City of course we have to eventually sell our best players. The problem is Dundee United sold them and replaced them with absolute donkeys. 

 

We should have been getting the creme de la creme in as replacements. Hibs got Scott Allan we should have got him as a McLean replacement. Hearts got Naismith we should have got him as a Christie replacement. Hearts got Halkett we should have got him as a Considine upgrade. We should have had all those players in as with the extra moolah we could offer significantly higher wages.

 

Except Allan wanted to go to Hibs to the exclusion of all others. And Halkett's wife didn't want to move from their home in the Central Belt. Just because we are interested in a player does not mean the player will necessarily be interested in us. Our geographical location itself puts many prospective signings off and we cannot force a player to sign on the dotted line. Yes we have a bit of an advantage over the Edinburgh clubs in that we pay a bit higher but even that isn't enough in every case.

[The Boofon]

Any highlights yet apart from on red tv.

[HairyPie]

Any highlights yet apart from on red tv.

 

I recommend the full replay.  Corker of a game.  Treble is on.

[Dr_Manhattan]

Say that to my face bitch I will batter your blockhead in

 

[V for Vendetta]

This is a very good post. Problem was poor contract management allowing a lot of our best players, and the spine of our best footballing sides of recent years, leave for little or nothing.

 

Imagine Stockley, Cosgrove and Rooney as our 3 rotating strikers.

 

Shinnie, McLean and Ferguson midfield 3. That would be a brilliant squad.

Poor contract management?

 

Isn't that ignoring every time a key player does extend? Which actually happens susprisingly often at the moment.

 

Players move on eventually depending on their aspirations. It's normal.

 

I think the issue is more the ability to identify replacements has been badly lacking.

[CalgaryDon]

The Europa League exertions last Thursday clearly had an effect on our team. The players looked exhausted on Sunday. Dundee being at home gave them an advantage. They appear to have strengthened over the summer. We didn't play well and were fortunate to scrap through but we did. I actually believe being knocked out of Europe was for the best. It has such a detrimental effect on our domestic duties. Still we beat Dundee away and Hearts at home. Shame about the St Mirren result. The players can rest up this week and focus on the Killie game next week. 

 

I see Hearts fans are adamant they'll beat us in the quarter finals. Already discussing who'll they'll get in the next round! 

[The Boofon]

The Europa League exertions last Thursday clearly had an effect on our team. The players looked exhausted on Sunday. Dundee being at home gave them an advantage. They appear to have strengthened over the summer. We didn't play well and were fortunate to scrap through but we did. I actually believe being knocked out of Europe was for the best. It has such a detrimental effect on our domestic duties. Still we beat Dundee away and Hearts at home. Shame about the St Mirren result. The players can rest up this week and focus on the Killie game next week. 

 

I see Hearts fans are adamant they'll beat us in the quarter finals. Already discussing who'll they'll get in the next round! 

 

 

Prince Bauben, played for them, Prince Bauben is nothing to be scared of.

[Poodler]

[starryfish]

The Europa League exertions last Thursday clearly had an effect on our team. The players looked exhausted on Sunday. Dundee being at home gave them an advantage. They appear to have strengthened over the summer. We didn't play well and were fortunate to scrap through but we did. I actually believe being knocked out of Europe was for the best. It has such a detrimental effect on our domestic duties. Still we beat Dundee away and Hearts at home. Shame about the St Mirren result. The players can rest up this week and focus on the Killie game next week.

 

I see Hearts fans are adamant they'll beat us in the quarter finals. Already discussing who'll they'll get in the next round!

So would we be fit to play in Europe the next two Thursdays?