Scottish Independence Referendum 2

[BWG]

Pretty sure Greece's financial problem was more likely caused by the fact that nae cunt bothered paying tax and the government were openly corrupt.

 

I lived in Greece for just short of a year and local elections were something to behold. 50 euro or more openly handed over to folk on their way of the polling stations. The place was headed for meltdown for years. The Euro was fuck all to do with it.

[Redforever86]

Pretty sure Greece's financial problem was more likely caused by the fact that nae cunt bothered paying tax and the government were openly corrupt.

 

I lived in Greece for just short of a year and local elections were something to behold. 50 euro or more openly handed over to folk on their way of the polling stations. The place was headed for meltdown for years. The Euro was fuck all to do with it.

Exactly. If every cunt avoids tax, and you create heaps of public sector jobs with amazing pensions etc yir fucked.

 

Now you could say it’s a long term benefit for them that ze Germans are forcing them to wise up but that’s be against the anti euro rhetoric.

[Jocky Balboa]

So what's the difference between you and Farage politically?

I think my previous post clearly established just some of the things from which I diverge from Farage. That you responded as you did suggests you either didn't read it properly, or are just trying to pick a fight.

 

Incidentally, I could have mentioned how Farage, UKIP, the EDL and "Tommy Robinson" were/are controlled opposition, set up and encouraged by the establishment (their massive overrepresentation on Question Time being a point in question) to quell/contain Euroscepticism and British Nationalism. While they succeeded in smashing the BNP, they unleashed a Pandora's Box of toxic English nationalism, from which Unionism may never recover.

 

On the plus side, the farce of the Brexit aftermath has let the wider UK public see the sectarian simpletons of the (to the right of UKIP) joke party that are the DUP for what they really are; antiquated, Creationist, anti-Catholic bigots whom, if they climbed into the NINETEENTH century, it would represent progress.

[Henry]

Pretty sure Greece's financial problem was more likely caused by the fact that nae cunt bothered paying tax and the government were openly corrupt.

 

I lived in Greece for just short of a year and local elections were something to behold. 

 

On the other hand, Clydeside Sheep's milkman's sister went on an 18-30 to Faliraki in 1995, so who really knows better?

[BWG]

On the other hand, Clydeside Sheep's milkman's sister went on an 18-30 to Faliraki in 1995, so who really knows better?

 

Aye you've got me there pal.  Off I pop.

[Parklife]

On the other hand, Clydeside Sheep's milkman's sister went on an 18-30 to Faliraki in 1995, so who really knows better?

Haha.

[manboobs109]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/4187757/snp-currency-independent-scotland-loss-savings/

 

It's started already. It's a vote loser I tell thee

[caledonia]

1 the sun Hahahaha

2 Ireland have had 3 currency’s in 100 years and no drama

3 anyone who believes this shit after all the lies in run up to 2014 is either thick or is happy to peddle it because it suits their agenda

4 remember the sun saying we would have an armed border between Scotland and England well see Ireland

[manboobs109]

1 the sun Hahahaha

2 Ireland have had 3 currency’s in 100 years and no drama

3 anyone who believes this shit after all the lies in run up to 2014 is either thick or is happy to peddle it because it suits their agenda

4 remember the sun saying we would have an armed border between Scotland and England well see Ireland

Agreed it's probably all pish but it's a convincing scare story to peddle.

[Foster14]

The boy referred to in the article is a go to for the unionist mob.  You search Ronald MacDonald and Scottish independence and you get article after article criticising any currency plans.  Pre 2014 he routinely criticised any currency union plan, saying we needed to have our own currency.  Now that is the proposal and that isn't good enough.  

 

Clear to see what way his bread is buttered.  Would be interesting to see if his claims would stand up to real scrutiny, which never seems to be undertaken in any of the articles he writes or is quoted in.  

[Jocky Balboa]

The boy referred to in the article is a go to for the unionist mob. You search Ronald MacDonald and Scottish independence and you get article after article criticising any currency plans. Pre 2014 he routinely criticised any currency union plan, saying we needed to have our own currency. Now that is the proposal and that isn't good enough.

 

Clear to see what way his bread is buttered. Would be interesting to see if his claims would stand up to real scrutiny, which never seems to be undertaken in any of the articles he writes or is quoted in.

He is very appropriately named and has been peddling keech for a long time.

[Clydeside_Sheep]

On the other hand, Clydeside Sheep's milkman's sister went on an 18-30 to Faliraki in 1995, so who really knows better?

 

It was crete.

[BrianFaePerth]

1 the sun Hahahaha

2 Ireland have had 3 currency’s in 100 years and no drama

3 anyone who believes this shit after all the lies in run up to 2014 is either thick or is happy to peddle it because it suits their agenda

4 remember the sun saying we would have an armed border between Scotland and England well see Ireland

Is Ireland a real country?

[shut up meg]

Is Ireland a real country?

 

Which one?

[daytripping]

Exactly same here, never again

 

I think the oil crash made people think...wtf would we do if we were independent, without oil money we'd be fucked.

[Redforever86]

I think the oil crash made people think...wtf would we do if we were independent, without oil money we'd be fucked.

Aye we were “better together” when you were moaning about being unemployed and the govt doing fuck all for you.

[afc_blockhead]

1 the sun Hahahaha

2 Ireland have had 3 currency’s in 100 years and no drama

3 anyone who believes this shit after all the lies in run up to 2014 is either thick or is happy to peddle it because it suits their agenda

4 remember the sun saying we would have an armed border between Scotland and England well see Ireland

 

Did the SNP/Yes campaign not lie during the 2014 campaign? Of course they fucking did. Those projected record oil revenues didn't quite materialise for a start?

 

Militant Yes voters in my experience were/are the thickest people you could meet    They can't admit to themselves for 1 second that any aspect of being independent could possibly be shit/a disaster

[Parklife]

without oil money we'd be fucked.

Thanks for, once more, showing you don't have much of a clue about pretty much anything haha

[daytripping]

Aye we were “better together” when you were moaning about being unemployed and the govt doing fuck all for you.

 

They actually paid for some training through the oil fund, came in very handy.

[daytripping]

Thanks for, once more, showing you don't have much of a clue about pretty much anything haha

 

 

We'd be fucked without oil, anyone who says otherwise is deluded.

[maryhilldon]

 

We'd be fucked without oil, anyone who says otherwise is deluded.

Lucky for us we have oil then eh!

[Foster14]

UK oil production in 2018 - 1.09m bpd 

 

https://www.rigzone.com/news/uk_oil_and_gas_production_rises_in_2018-12-mar-2019-158355-article/

 

So a total of 398m barrels for the year.  Average oil price in 2018 - $71.06.  

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/262860/uk-brent-crude-oil-price-changes-since-1976/

 

Total value of oil extracted from North Sea in the UK is worth $28bn.

 

Predicted tax receipts in 2018 - $1.4bn.  This includes gas as well though, where revenues are based on oil.  

 

https://newsbase.com/topstories/north-sea-tax-receipts-top-us15-billion

 

Seems pretty low, 5% (at absolute max) of oil produced ends up going to the treasury.  

 

Done to protect the industry supposedly, but really it was done to protect the shareholder.  

[daytripping]

UK oil production in 2018 - 1.09m bpd 

 

https://www.rigzone.com/news/uk_oil_and_gas_production_rises_in_2018-12-mar-2019-158355-article/

 

So a total of 398m barrels for the year.  Average oil price in 2018 - $71.06.  

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/262860/uk-brent-crude-oil-price-changes-since-1976/

 

Total value of oil extracted from North Sea in the UK is worth $28bn.

 

Predicted tax receipts in 2018 - $1.4bn.  This includes gas as well though, where revenues are based on oil.  

 

https://newsbase.com/topstories/north-sea-tax-receipts-top-us15-billion

 

Seems pretty low, 5% (at absolute max) of oil produced ends up going to the treasury.  

 

Done to protect the industry supposedly, but really it was done to protect the shareholder.  

 

How much raised from the folk employed directly and indirectly through the oil and gas industry?

[Foster14]

How much raised from the folk employed directly and indirectly through the oil and gas industry?

 

A considerable amount of course, but that is irrelevant as we are talking about North Sea revenues and PAYE/NIC/VAT are not included in that.  

 

What I am meaning is that the tax rates applied to North Sea production were slashed, but still headcount was reduced massively across the industry and other cost cutting measures applied.  So the tax reduction certainly didn't protect those depending on the industry for employment.  

[Parklife]

 

We'd be fucked without oil, anyone who says otherwise is deluded.

Good evidence offered there...

 

Lucky we do have oil then. We've got fucking loads of it. Yaldy.

 

Now, what a competent government would have done with this oil revenue is invest the proceeds (or at least a proportion of them) in an oil fund, which would grow and give a security blanket to protect the nation from fluctuations in oil prices. We could've been doing what Norway have done for the past 40 years (they have the largest sovereign wealth fund on the planet worth $1.3trillion).

 

Bizarre that some folk see decades of complete mismanagement of our natural resources as a case FOR the Union.

 

What we should be doing (if we were governed properly) is ploughing investment in to training and infrastructure to support our renewable energy sector. Our location gives us great opportunity to capitalise on the strong winds coming across the Atlantic. However, due to more ineptitude from the UK Government, we're now missing out on the opportunities this gives to give our manufacturing sector a boost.

 

Scotland, the only country in the world where swathes of the population think huge natural resources is a burden. Wha's like us?

[Foster14]

Also...

 

Take BP as an example:

 

https://www.bp.com/content/dam/bp/business-sites/en/global/corporate/pdfs/sustainability/group-reports/bp-report-on-payments-to-governments-2017.pdf

https://www.bp.com/content/dam/bp/business-sites/en/global/corporate/pdfs/sustainability/group-reports/bp-report-on-payments-to-governments-2016.pdf

https://www.bp.com/content/dam/bp/business-sites/en/global/corporate/pdfs/sustainability/archive/regulatory-information/bp-report-on-payments-to-governments-2015.pdf

 

Seem to be able to operate in every other country in the world paying taxes, but have not done so in the UK 2015 through 2017 (instead drawing money from the treasury).  I feel it is a bit remiss to comment on the impact on payments to the treasury for North Sea oil activity, when the tax regime could be different...

[maryhilldon]

 

 

 

 

Scotland, the only country in the world where swathes of the population think huge natural resources is a burden. Wha's like us?

An oil rich Western country with 1 in 3 kids living in relative poverty and tens of thousands using food banks while London can spend 15B on some new rail lines.

[Poodler]

An oil rich Western country with 1 in 3 kids living in relative poverty and tens of thousands using food banks while London can spend 15B on some new rail lines.

 

Hey!!

 

IIRC We spent tens/ hundreds of millions on new trains so the Aberdeen- Edinburgh route is one minute quicker.

 

It's not all centralised rail spending!

[BWG]

I think the oil crash made people think...wtf would we do if we were independent, without oil money we'd be fucked.

 

Did they, aye? 

[maryhilldon]

Hey!!

 

IIRC We spent tens/ hundreds of millions on new trains so the Aberdeen- Edinburgh route is one minute quicker.

 

It's not all centralised rail spending!

They're gonna spend another 30-40B on HS2 so bankers can save a few minutes commuting.