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Scottish Independence Referendum 2


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Poll: Should Scotland be an independent country? (158 member(s) have cast votes)

Should Scotland be an independent country?

  1. Yes (123 votes [77.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 77.85%

  2. No (35 votes [22.15%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.15%

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#2131 ONLINE   Captain Caveman

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Posted 11 September 2019 - 03:41 PM

His wife said they were moving to Oz and that was that.


More to it than that. A midnight flit for the honkos
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Posted 11 September 2019 - 03:52 PM

More to it than that. A midnight flit for the honkos


can imagine he stood out like a sore thumb there; in the fresh arctic air

dust clouds from inland west oz prob ideal to mask lingering odours
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Posted 11 September 2019 - 04:08 PM

Is there much work for a joiner at a pension company?

 

It's a big building so I guess so. Not much wood around though.


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Posted 12 September 2019 - 10:39 AM

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#2135 OFFLINE   Jocky Balboa

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Posted 12 September 2019 - 07:37 PM

I have to say, I find the SNP's behaviour curious. I understand the leadership want to 'play the game' and at least be seen to have done all they can to prevent Brexit, but given the Euro elections and Brecon by-election results showed a narrow victory in Leave votes, it's clear the (narrow) will of England and Wales is to leave. If Sturgeon prevents this, not only will she poison relations with our neighbours, won't she be voiding their specific mandate for a second independence referendum?

None of us know for sure at this stage what her game is, but isn't it plausible that she's backtracking on a second vote, given that the polls have hardly moved since 2016? Perhaps Scotland isn't as pro-EU as she makes out? Sure, the majority want to Remain, but it doesn't, in itself, seem to be the game changer her pre-2016 referendum rhetoric was implying.

(As a side note, I also know for a fact a lot of SNP/YES supporters who are Eurosceptic tactically voted Remain, knowing that England would like vote Leave and that this was the quickest way to a second independence referendum - I wonder how they feel now?)
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Posted 12 September 2019 - 07:46 PM

I have to say, I find the SNP's behaviour curious. I understand the leadership want to 'play the game' and at least be seen to have done all they can to prevent Brexit, but given the Euro elections and Brecon by-election results showed a narrow victory in Leave votes, it's clear the (narrow) will of England and Wales is to leave. If Sturgeon prevents this, not only will she poison relations with our neighbours, won't she be voiding their specific mandate for a second independence referendum?

None of us know for sure at this stage what her game is, but isn't it plausible that she's backtracking on a second vote, given that the polls have hardly moved since 2016? Perhaps Scotland isn't as pro-EU as she makes out? Sure, the majority want to Remain, but it doesn't, in itself, seem to be the game changer her pre-2016 referendum rhetoric was implying.

(As a side note, I also know for a fact a lot of SNP/YES supporters who are Eurosceptic tactically voted Remain, knowing that England would like vote Leave and that this was the quickest way to a second independence referendum - I wonder how they feel now?)


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Posted 12 September 2019 - 10:03 PM

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Posted 12 September 2019 - 10:05 PM

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Posted 12 September 2019 - 10:26 PM

Just realised that FFS was referring to pension savings plummeting in relation to indie. Which is private pensions but they have already plummeted due to brexit. They've gone up again a bit but only back to the levels they were almost a year ago. Almost a year of growth completely gone. That's fucked up.


Few things re this.
Stock markets go up and down, always have, always will and brexit can’t be blamed for their fluctuations. Eg they tanked in 2008 long before brexit was an issue. Your work pension should be up a few % over the past year and more if it has exposure to the USA stock market as it has been the best performing stock market for the past few years. Trump’s huge tax cut helped this plus they have behemoths like amazon and google (alphabet) which are up hundreds of % over the past couple of yrs.

it’s a quirk of brexit but it has actually been the £ not the ftse that has been walloped. And, when the £ drops you generally see the stock market / ftse 100 rise because the largest companies on it are global companies with the bulk of their earnings earned overseas so they’re worth more when the £ is weak.

Bizarrely, if we sort out the brexit debacle by anything other than no deal eg decide to remain which will be good for the £ but could therefore be bad for the ftse meaning you could then actually see your pension drop.
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