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1 hour ago, manboobs109 said:

Starmer? It's difficult times for a new leader of an opposition. He'll do better than Corbyn at the next election, thats for sure. 

Yep. My take on it too. 
Labour were 20odd points behind pre and early pandemic. It was obvious that as soon as they (tories) did something moderately competent a significant portion of floating voters would back them. 
A lot of voters suffer from recency bias in that they only remember the most recent event. Cock ups over ppe, u turns x20x,  Cummings fiasco etc get forgotten about now there’s a successful vaccine rollout  

sks is having to tread the difficult course of appealing to ex red wall voters which means not saying anything bad about brexit, hard left corbynites which he’s done by wanting extra £20/wk benefit to be maintained and the new people’s savings bond he spoke about last week ,and, voters in the types of seat that Blair won but which have been safe Tory since about 2010 or 2015. He does this by keeping right wing press on his side by speaking to rags like mail and telegraph.   
 

he has restored respectability by being competent at pmq and generally right on big calls eg he called for circuit break last autumn, bojo said no then had massive lockdown weeks later  

 

very difficult uniting different tribes and factions of labour  and far easier to preach to the converted. As much as I liked Corbyn he was like trump in this respect, adored by his base and ridiculed and hated by a plurality. That does not get you elected. It gets an 80 seat Tory majority 

 

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1 hour ago, Parklife said:

Genuinely? Because Corbyn "won" PMQ's every week. It doesn't really matter though 

It’s all small incremental pieces that can add up over a long period of time. 


problem is labour in-fighting with people who purport to be labour members or colleagues undermining him. That’s what helped sink Corbyn (along with a hostile press and wishy washy brexit stance) and now many of his base are repeating the same mistake. 
a divided party is doomed to failure at the ballot box. 


sks may not be left enough for a lot of labour supporters but if it’s him or bojo then they should make every effort to support him. 

don’t let the perfect get in the way of the good. Or something like that. 

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3 minutes ago, elephantstone78 said:

It’s all small incremental pieces that can add up over a long period of time. 


problem is labour in-fighting with people who purport to be labour members or colleagues undermining him. That’s what helped sink Corbyn (along with a hostile press and wishy washy brexit stance) and now many of his base are repeating the same mistake. 
a divided party is doomed to failure at the ballot box. 


sks may not be left enough for a lot of labour supporters but if it’s him or bojo then they should make every effort to support him. 

don’t let the perfect get in the way of the good. Or something like that. 

Problem is, SIR Starmer isn't any better than Bojo. 

How any Labour member could vote for a "sir" to lead the party is beyond me. 

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1 minute ago, Howard Marks said:

Could he get rid of the title, hypothetically? I'm assuming he could?

Far too many elites in politics. And far too many people willing to vote to keep these elites in power.

He could. He could've rejected it in the first place too. As anyone who should be leader of Labour would. 

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