To those that think immigration is not a problem

[caledonia]

English taught as a foreign language at a school in Leeds

 

A comprehensive school where native English speakers are in a minority is to start teaching English as a foreign language to all of its pupils.

Teachers at City of Leeds School, a multi-ethnic secondary plan to teach English as a second language even to its British-born pupils in a radical attempt to improve standards at the 314-pupil secondary judged to 'require improvement' by Ofsted.

Be honest would you leave your child in this school

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10718868/English-taught-as-a-foreign-language-at-a-school-in-Leeds.html

[Ke1t]

English taught as a foreign language at a school in Leeds

 

Be honest would you leave your child in this school

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10718868/English-taught-as-a-foreign-language-at-a-school-in-Leeds.html

 

 

 

So what's the problem, exactly?

[dave_min]

A school with 50 different nationalities sounds good to me.

[caledonia]

Would you like your child to be taught how to speak indian instead of english

when you live in an english speaking country

 

 

you are either pretty dumb or a very bad fisherman

[caledonia]

A school with 50 different nationalities sounds good to me.

so what nationality would you pick for your childs language

[Ke1t]

Would you like your child to be taught how to speak indian instead of english

when you live in an english speaking country

 

 

you are either pretty dumb or a very bad fisherman

 

 

I don't think I'm dumb, and I'm definitely not fishing, so that would mean you're positing a fallacy of logic, in this case the false dichotomy. Not just regarding my question but regarding the article. You may or may not deliberately be doing so, I'd be guessing if I tried answering that question, to be honest.

 

But that article doesn't say they're learning Indian, or any other language than English as their primary language.

 

In fact the article cites around 55 nationalities,

 

"We have children from every African country, every European country, and just about anywhere ending in –stan."

 

What it says is that a great many of their students don't speak Englsh as their primary language, so they're having to teach it as a foreign language, which it is, as a means of getting their students up to speed.

 

This doesn't mean they've stopped teaching in English, or that English isn't the primary language of the school.

 

So all this article is saying is that students are learning English because many of them don't speak it or aren't particularly proficient. This makes perfect sense.

 

So, I'll ask you again, what is the problem here, specifically?

[spamspamspam]

Would you like your child to be taught how to speak indian instead of english

when you live in an english speaking country

 

 

you are either pretty dumb or a very bad fisherman

 

 

Who the fucking fuck do these cunts think they are?

 

Coming to our country, sending their kids to fucking schools that dont speak the native language,

 

Its like fucking American schools in Germany, Italy, UAE, Saudi, China...

 

Cunts, coming here, thinking they can treat our country like we've treated some of there's

 

Dam cheek.

[SheepieBaaBaa]

 

 

So, I'll ask you again, what is the problem here, specifically?

 

It could be summarised as "Anyone who reads the Daily Mail in anything other than a comic book"

[caledonia]

Teachers at City of Leeds School, a multi-ethnic secondary plan to teach English as a second language even to its British-born pupils in a radical attempt to improve standards at the 314-pupil secondary judged to 'require improvement' by Ofsted.

 

 

In britain english should always be a first language

[caledonia]

 

It could be summarised as "Anyone who reads the Daily Mail in anything other than a comic book"

 

That could be correct but where exactly do you see the daily mail

[Guest]

It's been a while since we've had a thread born from your racist agenda caledonia. Fuck knows why you thought this was the right time.

 

I'm not even going to read the link cos I'm not interested. I can hear your mind working from here.

 

Yes I agree that a lack of assimilation is a massive problem in the UK, as it is in the US.

 

But it's simple. Divided and conker and fall and stand etc. It's not the immigrants you should vent your ire at. It's your governors.

[spamspamspam]

 

 

In britain english should always be a first language

 

 

So you'd rather they had 2 classes doing the same thing?

 

One teaching the UK born kids that cant speak the language properly because their mum and dad are far too busy arguing on Jeremy Kyle to actually teach their kids and the other for the Eastern Euro kid that's English is about as good as the Jeremy Kyle orphans?

[SheepieBaaBaa]

 

 

In britain english should always be a first language

 

What if you are born in Britain but can't speak English?

They are still teaching in English. Given that most who have learned English as a second language have better language skills than most "native speakers" I would say this sounds like a remarkably good idea.

[dave_min]

so what nationality would you pick for your childs language

 

They should be fluent in at least English, French and one of either Spanish or German.

 

They'll be forced this from an early age as learning a language later on is a right cunt.

[caledonia]

 

 

Who the fucking fuck do these cunts think they are?

 

Coming to our country, sending their kids to fucking schools that dont speak the native language,

 

Its like fucking American schools in Germany, Italy, UAE, Saudi, China...

 

Cunts, coming here, thinking they can treat our country like we've treated some of there's

 

Dam cheek.

That is an american school in another country and i am sure you are aware of the difference

this is not a foreign school but a british school

[SheepieBaaBaa]

Head teacher Georgiana Sale said "it had been decided to include pupils who have English as a first language in this programme because in the “vast majority” of cases their level of formal English was not good enough to allow them to achieve top grades at GCSE."

 

Hoisted by your own Petard !

[caledonia]

It's been a while since we've had a thread born from your racist agenda caledonia. Fuck knows why you thought this was the right time.

 

I'm not even going to read the link cos I'm not interested. I can hear your mind working from here.

 

Yes I agree that a lack of assimilation is a massive problem in the UK, as it is in the US.

 

But it's simple. Divided and conker and fall and stand etc. It's not the immigrants you should vent your ire at. It's your governors.

why is it racist

If your child came home from school and said English is now my second language would you be happy

[spamspamspam]

That is an american school in another country and i am sure you are aware of the difference

this is not a foreign school but a british school

 

Sounds just like the schools in China for British kids. Well, they're not for British kids, they're for Chinese kids who's parents want them taught in English. Mate of mine works in one.

 

Get a fucking grip of yourself you idiot. Flying a saltire, slagging huns and tims, I'm sure you'll have directed some remark about them being bigots at some point yet running some baseless, racist rant about schools in England that are catering for none English kids. I'm failing to see your point because you dont have a fucking point, like this thread you're pointless.

[spamspamspam]

why is it racist

If your child came home from school and said English is now my second language would you be happy

 

 

What the actual fuck does that have to do with your post.

 

Are you this stupid in the real world?

[Ke1t]

 

 

In britain english should always be a first language

 

The article doesn't say it isn't.

[caledonia]

 

 

What the actual fuck does that have to do with your post.

 

Are you this stupid in the real world?

what the fuck does american schools in china got to do with it you fucking tool

[Guest]

why is it racist

If your child came home from school and said English is now my second language would you be happy

 

As I said, I've not read the link but I doubt that your interpretation of it will be very accurate. It's hard to see with certain slants affecting clarity of vision.

[spamspamspam]

 

what the fuck does american schools in china got to do with it you fucking tool

Either both survive or neither

 

If you are happy for people in the UK to have the freedom to work anywhere in the world and for our children to be educated there then the flip is we also cater for them.

 

However you claim, wildly, that English is now a 2nd language in this school, it is not.

 

Maybe - if thats how you read that - you should enrol?

[Ke1t]

what the fuck does american schools in china got to do with it you fucking tool

 

I think what has happened here is that you've misunderstood the article.

 

This isn't entirely your fault because the article isn't very informative.

 

I think you're under the impression that English has been relegated to to a secondary language, whereas what has happened is the school is teaching English to foreign students who have no, or little, English. They're also putting the slower English kids into this class because they don't even have a grasp on English... supposedly their primary language. In my opinion this is LONG over-fucking-due.

 

English will still be the primary language, which is why they're going to the trouble of offering English lessons to non-English speaking students. If they don't understand the language (English) then they're going to have one fuck of a time learning anything else.

 

Hopefully this clarification will calm your tits a little bit.

[caledonia]

 

 

Either both survive or neither

 

If you are happy for people in the UK to have the freedom to work anywhere in the world and for our children to be educated there then the flip is we also cater for them.

 

However you claim, wildly, that English is now a 2nd language in this school, it is not.

 

Maybe - if thats how you read that - you should enrol?

 

ok let me put it this way you said an American school in Italy i believe

now that is not like for like as an American school in Italy is for Americans so English would be taught

and if they went to a standard school in Italy Italian would be first language

 

I have nothing against any language being taught but it should be as a second language

[MerklandDandy]

Kelt - I admire your patience in trying to explain this to Calendonia.

 

Unfortunately I think you are wasting your time...

[caledonia]

Kelt - I admire your patience in trying to explain this to Calendonia.

 

Unfortunately I think you are wasting your time...

 

why dont you sock his cock while you are at it

[spamspamspam]

ok let me put it this way you said an American school in Italy i believe

now that is not like for like as an American school in Italy is for Americans so English would be taught

and if they went to a standard school in Italy Italian would be first language

 

I have nothing against any language being taught but it should be as a second language

 

They are called American schools, they are either foreign schools or state run schools for foreign kids of working parents.

Anyone can go to them, sometimes anyone with money, other times anyone that wants to.

English is still the first language in this school, its just the locals arent that good at it either, they are all being taught the same to get them up to a level where they can scrape a pass.

Doesnt that say more about the parents than the culture, immigrants or the schools themselves?

 

It shouldnt, it should be taught from nursery and Spanish, French and Mandarin should be taught as standard from p1 onwards. We live in a very small world, we're being arrogant expecting that world to learn our language considering its not the most common language in the world and it'll soon loose second and third place as well.

[Ke1t]

 

 

I have nothing against any language being taught but it should be as a second language

 

Every other language is subordinate to English, that's why they're teaching their students English; so that the kids can all sit and learn in English.

 

Now, in the Southern US it's Spanish that's beginning to emerge as the primary language, and kids are being taught in Spanish, that being the primary language.

 

But in the face of Spanish supplanting English as the primary language, I would ask, "Why would I give a fuck?"

 

English isn't Scotland's native language, Caledonia, mate. Can I ask how much Gaelic you speak?

 

Personally I don't give a fuck if I speak English, Indian, Spanish, or Esperanto... I truly do not give a fuck.

 

I wonder why anyone does.

 

The only reason I can see for particularly desiring English as my primary language is that all the best films are in English.

 

Other than that, I'd refer you back to the line where I twice pointed out that I do not give a fuck.

[caledonia]

In an English school in England English should always be the first language