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[craegDAMH]

But its definitely false to portray these misadventures as being the genesis of islamic terror. The majority of victims of islamic extremists are nothing to do with western foreign policy.

 

It's also false to portray Corbyn's remarks as such. He isn't saying that at all. He is saying our foreign policy makes it easier for terrorist groups to radicalise people here and therefore our foreign policy has made us less secure rather than more secure. He is not saying western foreign policy created Jihadism, because that would be bollocks.

 

He should know better than to make a nuanced comment in the current black and white political environment.

[spamspamspam]

 

Allah

 

Dont make yourself come across stupid MT.

[spamspamspam]

 

and he knows that, how?

 

ISIS themselves on their websites (yeah, the fact they have websites tells you how strongly we could be tackling this) that its NOT to do with us being there

 

KKK

https://traditionalistamericanknights.com/

 

International skinhead website

https://www.hammerskins.net/

 

British People's Party

http://www.bpp.org.uk/davidlynchrip.html

 

Combat 18

http://www.skrewdriver.net/index2.html

 

 

Might surprise you but most hate groups have websites.

[Foster14]

Are they safe for work?

[spamspamspam]

Are they safe for work?

 

 

No tits bar the members and writers

[spamspamspam]

Corbyn has voted against every war and most anti terror measures during his entire time in parliment (since 1983). Hes using the tragedy as a way to justify his own political views. It's shameful

 

Unfortunately I feel that our entire politcal establishment don't have the will to to deal with this threat so terrorism is here to stay. We get the same platitudes and cliches after every attack but nothing of substance ever seems to get done.

 

What do you mean by that?

[craegDAMH]

 

and he knows that, how?

 

ISIS themselves on their websites (yeah, the fact they have websites tells you how strongly we could be tackling this) that its NOT to do with us being there

 

You don't agree that the fact that western foreign policy has caused the deaths of many muslims in the middle east makes it easier for recruiters to groom young muslims into thinking the west hates them?

 

You maybe don't agree, but surely you can see the logic of that belief?

[tiktak]

 

Unfortunately I feel that our entire politcal establishment don't have the will to to deal with this threat so terrorism is here to stay. We get the same platitudes and cliches after every attack but nothing of substance ever seems to get done.

It's not that the will isn't there, it's that they have no idea how to deal with it. Listening to May talking to the new French bloke was puke inducing. Oh yes, we really must get together and discuss how we are going to defeat the terrorists..........UTTER PISH. They don't know how to beat it. Maybe it's not even possible. Anyone here believe they have any answers? Delusional wankers might say they do. Anyone rational knows otherwise.

It's like Trump the other week saying he'll end the arab/Israeli issue. Get real.

[davieb]

 

KKK

https://traditionalistamericanknights.com/

 

International skinhead website

https://www.hammerskins.net/

 

British People's Party

http://www.bpp.org.uk/davidlynchrip.html

 

Combat 18

http://www.skrewdriver.net/index2.html

 

 

Might surprise you but most hate groups have websites.

 

Pretty shit ones, clearly an opportunity for a good extremist web designer there!

[craegDAMH]

 

depends

 

by western policy, do you mean not standing by and letting this group do what they do on a daily basis?

 

I mean an interventionist policy which leads to civilian casualties.

 

I'm confused. So you support us bombing poor countries because you care, but you are against giving foreign aid to poor countries because...?

 

as I have said before, ISIS themselves have said its NOT to do with that

 

No, Jihad ideology does not exist because of Western policy. That's not what I'm saying. Do you disagree that the mass casualties of muslims caused by western foreign policy could be used by Jihad recruiters to convince young muslims that the west hates them?

[craegDAMH]

 

because we shouldn't do both

 

to be honest, all this crap about it being our fault is easily remedied - we just don't intervene at all

 

but then that does NOT mean we let more "refugees" in

 

I would LIKE to think, if the people over there are indeed innocent then they see that its isis being targeted and if civilians die because isis have set up bombs everywhere, which ours hit, then its not our fault

 

better yet, id prefer if the good men over there did what countries have been doing throughout time and fought for their own country and solved the problem themselves

 

unless, of course,most of the men in those countries ARENT good...

 

I'm not talking about people over there

[craegDAMH]

 

I don't think you know WHAT youre talking about

 

that's me, im out till the next one

 

talk to you in a few days

 

Yes, you're right. It's me that's all over the place speaking incoherent nonsense, everyone can see it...

[Foster14]

Corbyn making a late decision to go in the leader's debate tonight. Should be interesting, since May isn't going on...

[Bluto10]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/25/jeremy-corbyn-links-foreign-policy-to-growing-terror-threat

 

Corbyn links foreign policy to terrorist attacks.

 

Saying what anyone sensible is thinking.

 

Your a brainy sort Henry min, you might be able to tell me.

what's the details behind Corbyns IRA sympathies?

[Redforever86]

Your a brainy sort Henry min, you might be able to tell me.

what's the details behind Corbyns IRA sympathies?

 

 

He wrote for a magazine that published an article that points out why the IRA done what it did. He never edited the magazine or had fuck all to do with it other than submitting freelance articles.

 

So fuck all.

[Bluto10]

Ok cheers

[Jds192]

 

 

He wrote for a magazine that published an article that points out why the IRA done what it did. He never edited the magazine or had fuck all to do with it other than submitting freelance articles.

 

So fuck all.

 

Going by the papers there is a lot more to his 'IRA sympathies' than that.

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3685219/jeremy-corbyn-insists-his-only-link-to-the-ira-was-as-a-peacemaker-but-its-lies-says-irish-historian-ruth-dudley-edwards/

 

Guess the repsonse wil be a Trump like one and dismissed as fake news.

[The Boofon]

Corbyn is superb.

 

Tells it like it is. A very likeable guy.

 

His party not so much.

[dave_min]

Corbyn is superb.

 

Tells it like it is. A very likeable guy.

 

His party not so much.

It's just his Scottish Party I've got a problem with.

 

Would happily have Corbyn as new Dons boss.

[Pash]

If anyone thinks western foreign policy means killing 'bad guys' and giving aid, they are sadly, very much mistaken.

[Dynamo]

Corbyn is very much #WengerIn

[Jds192]

Corbyn is superb.

 

Tells it like it is. A very likeable guy.

 

His party not so much.

 

He doesnt seem to tell it like it is when questioned on his support for IRA though.

 

Tries to lie his way out of it and folk that like him choose to believe it.

 

There are no impressive leaders in any of the parties and Corbyn, Abbot and the likes are as bad as the rest.

[mcdougall(4)]

 

 

He wrote for a magazine that published an article that points out why the IRA done what it did. He never edited the magazine or had fuck all to do with it other than submitting freelance articles.

 

So fuck all.

 

I think 'he organised that magazines mailing list' is the story being put about

[fatjim]

 

He doesnt seem to tell it like it is when questioned on his support for IRA though.

 

Tries to lie his way out of it and folk that like him choose to believe it.

 

There are no impressive leaders in any of the parties and Corbyn, Abbot and the likes are as bad as the rest.

 

To be fair he hasn't got much to say about it as he doesn't support the IRA.

 

He worked with loyalist organisations also during the peace process.

 

The IRA support thing is just a smear to appeal to anti Irish bigots throughout the UK.

[mcdougall(4)]

Channel 4 giving the SNP Manifesto a bit of tap

 

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/the-snp-manifesto

[Jds192]

 

To be fair he hasn't got much to say about it as he doesn't support the IRA.

 

He worked with loyalist organisations also during the peace process.

 

The IRA support thing is just a smear to appeal to anti Irish bigots throughout the UK.

 

Sounds like a Trump like defence to just call anything against him lies.

 

You think press have just made up the support for IRA?

[mcdougall(4)]

This

 

https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/869898075841679360

 

And the whole thread is hilarious

[The Hulk]

All Corbyn did in the 80s with the IRA & Loyalists was try to do the exact same thing that Blair and Mowlam got all the credit for in 1998. You could go further and say that without Corbyn doing it, Blair might not have made such progress. If the divisive Tories remained in power there'd still be troubles. The right wing us and them mentality doesn't wash with such things.

[fatjim]

 

Sounds like a Trump like defence to just call anything against him lies.

 

You think press have just made up the support for IRA?

 

Absolutely.

 

Not just the press.

 

It suits their right wing agenda to smear Corbyn as an IRA sympathiser.

 

He isn't.

 

The same was done with them saying he was a terrorist sympathiser. One sentence taken out of context to paint him as that.

[Jds192]

All Corbyn did in the 80s with the IRA & Loyalists was try to do the exact same thing that Blair and Mowlam got all the credit for in 1998. You could go further and say that without Corbyn doing it, Blair might not have made such progress. If the divisive Tories remained in power there'd still be troubles. The right wing us and them mentality doesn't wash with such things.

 

What did he do with the loyalists?