Aberdeen sack Derek McInnes

[Shinniesta]

Why would the board even contemplate getting rid of the only competent , fit for purpose manager they've appointed in 20 years ?

 

Gross incompetence to do so

The board will never for a single second even have considered McInnes' position. As you say why would they? For the first time in a generation they have a manager who has proved he can win a trophy, consistently gets to cup finals, consistently qualifies for Europe and finishes above the huns and Edinburgh clubs every year. Average attendances are up too. When was the last Dons manager to win twice at both Ibrox and Parkhead plus win against an ugly sister at Hampden?

 

Yeah he talked to Sunderland. He talked to the huns too. Then again so did Fergie. Both knocked them back.

 

It's easy in the modern era for a trigger happy board to dismiss a manager who has done reasonably well and replace him with someone they and the fans think will do better and take thr club to the so called next level. Isn't that what Ross County did when they dismissed McIntyre? Isn't that what Hibs did when they appointed Butcher? How has changing managers regularly worked out for Dundee Utd in recent years? Maybe Kilmarnock should dismiss Steve Clarke in a year or two if his current winning percentage drops slightly and he doesn't win a trophy.

 

Aberdeen and St Johnstone have been two of the most consistent teams in Scotland over the last half decade or so. Both have won a trophy in that time. Maybe it's just a coincidence both clubs have retained the same manager over that period of time. Then again maybe it's not.

 

Derek McInnes is not a perfect manager. If he was he would not be managing Aberdeen FC. But should his position be under any sort of serious scrutiny? Anyone who thinks it should be needs to have a word with themselves.

[Guest]

The board will never for a single second even have considered McInnes' position. As you say why would they? For the first time in a generation they have a manager who has proved he can win a trophy, consistently gets to cup finals, consistently qualifies for Europe and finishes above the huns and Edinburgh clubs every year. Average attendances are up too. When was the last Dons manager to win twice at both Ibrox and Parkhead plus win against an ugly sister at Hampden?

 

Yeah he talked to Sunderland. He talked to the huns too. Then again so did Fergie. Both knocked them back.

 

It's easy in the modern era for a trigger happy board to dismiss a manager who has done reasonably well and replace him with someone they and the fans think will do better and take thr club to the so called next level. Isn't that what Ross County did when they dismissed McIntyre? Isn't that what Hibs did when they appointed Butcher? How has changing managers regularly worked out for Dundee Utd in recent years? Maybe Kilmarnock should dismiss Steve Clarke in a year or two if his current winning percentage drops slightly and he doesn't win a trophy.

 

Aberdeen and St Johnstone have been two of the most consistent teams in Scotland over the last half decade or so. Both have won a trophy in that time. Maybe it's just a coincidence both clubs have retained the same manager over that period of time. Then again maybe it's not.

 

Derek McInnes is not a perfect manager. If he was he would not be managing Aberdeen FC. But should his position be under any sort of serious scrutiny? Anyone who thinks it should be needs to have a word with themselves.

This morherfucka loves a novel, don't you?

[thomsod]

He’s right though.

[aberdeen1970]

Yeah he is.

[strachanmcgheegoal]

He’s right though.

He’s right as to whether we should be scrutinising Derek. We shouldn’t. But he’s missed the bit where the risk exists that Derek scrutinises us and thinks “fuck it”

[Shinniesta]

He’s never outperformed his budget. Above average at very best

Except he has. His budget has been the 3rd highest in the Premier League for the last two seasons (and a distant 3rd at that). He lost his captain for nothing to the club with the 2nd highest budget because they more than doubled his wages.

 

He still finished above them though. Twice in a row.

[aberdeen1970]

He’s never outperformed his budget. Above average at very best

He outperformed his budget the last 2 seasons.

 

Crucially he hasn't drastically underperformed in any season (so far).

 

Most clubs underperfom occasionally. 5 years of consistent finishes is a good if unspectacular record.

[Sonoftherock]

My point is that if you do what you should do for 5 years, that's impressive, not average

 

This goes back to my original point... doing your job properly, has been overvalued by Aberdeen fans.  Particularly those under the age of about 35, who've only even seen incompetent spastics in the dugout.  So it's no surprise that the first competent manager that comes along in 25 years, has been hailed as some sort of messiah. 

 

Doing your job properly for 5 years is the definition of average.

 

In reality, he's an extremely average manager. In my opinion he really excels in terms of man-management - the players seem to love him and enjoy playing for him, however, he is extremely tactically limited and one-dimensional.  When he does go back down to England, once again he'll be found out.  

[The Oxford Don]

The board will never for a single second even have considered McInnes' position. As you say why would they? For the first time in a generation they have a manager who has proved he can win a trophy, consistently gets to cup finals, consistently qualifies for Europe and finishes above the huns and Edinburgh clubs every year. Average attendances are up too. When was the last Dons manager to win twice at both Ibrox and Parkhead plus win against an ugly sister at Hampden?

Yeah he talked to Sunderland. He talked to the huns too. Then again so did Fergie. Both knocked them back.

It's easy in the modern era for a trigger happy board to dismiss a manager who has done reasonably well and replace him with someone they and the fans think will do better and take thr club to the so called next level. Isn't that what Ross County did when they dismissed McIntyre? Isn't that what Hibs did when they appointed Butcher? How has changing managers regularly worked out for Dundee Utd in recent years? Maybe Kilmarnock should dismiss Steve Clarke in a year or two if his current winning percentage drops slightly and he doesn't win a trophy.

Aberdeen and St Johnstone have been two of the most consistent teams in Scotland over the last half decade or so. Both have won a trophy in that time. Maybe it's just a coincidence both clubs have retained the same manager over that period of time. Then again maybe it's not.

Derek McInnes is not a perfect manager. If he was he would not be managing Aberdeen FC. But should his position be under any sort of serious scrutiny? Anyone who thinks it should be needs to have a word with themselves.

To answer the question in your first paragraph, I’m sure I read somewhere that 2018 was the first year since 1983 that we won at Ibrox, Parkhead and Hampden in the same calendar year.

[aberdeen1970]

He does have some tactical limitations but he also has some budget limitations.

 

Finishing 2nd 5 years in a row is a good record, its disingenuous to suggest otherwise. That level of consistency is rare over 5 years no matter what club you are talking about, especially a club that doesn't have a budget head and shoulders above the rest of their competition.

 

He's also answered one of the main criticisms this year that has been levelled against him in the past. There's a flood of young players being brought through and given opportunities this year.

 

If I'm being critical I think he could/should have won another cup realistically. In particular the year we knocked out Celtic then lost to St Johnstone. But that's cup football. You could also argue that not making the Europa groups in one of the years was a missed opportunity.

[Sonoftherock]

So Lennon and levein should be sacked by now?

 

If Gerrard doesn't come second he should be sacked?

 

It's irrelevant what's happening at other clubs.

 

Having said that, I do think Lennon will be under pressure if Hibs do not progress, second half of the season.  Levein won't be sacked while Ann Budge is still in charge... who knows what goes on at hearts though!  Gerrard will be sacked if Rangers don't finish at least second.

[Proud Dandy]

I personally think the budget point is slightly misleading at times. We have often had to pay a premium for players when competing with Hibs and Hearts over the years as being in the North East of Scotland isn’t attractive to a lot of people that are not from the area.

 

McInnes has been a brilliant manager for us and has probably got the best out the players that he could have over the course of most seasons. If we were to win a league in his tenure surely more should be levelled at the board than him? The season that stands out was Deila’s last season and we didn’t bother investing in January. The season we peaked Celtic did too.

[Shinniesta]

This goes back to my original point... doing your job properly, has been overvalued by Aberdeen fans. Particularly those under the age of about 35, who've only even seen incompetent spastics in the dugout. So it's no surprise that the first competent manager that comes along in 25 years, has been hailed as some sort of messiah.

 

Doing your job properly for 5 years is the definition of average.

 

In reality, he's an extremely average manager. In my opinion he really excels in terms of man-management - the players seem to love him and enjoy playing for him, however, he is extremely tactically limited and one-dimensional. When he does go back down to England, once again he'll be found out.

I don't see anyone hailing McInnes as some sort of messiah? Of course he has limitations if he didn't he wouldn't be our manager he'd be at a higher level. But he's done a good job at Aberdeen most level headed people recognise that. Man management is a massive part of a football manager's job it was Alex Ferguson's greatest strength. But I seriously doubt even the great man in his prime could win a league title for Aberdeen in the modern era.

 

I don't think it is people mostly aged 35 and under who value him more. I lived right through the Fergie years. I realise what happened then will never happen again football has changed beyond all recognition since those days. There is a very good reason why between 1980 and 1987 four different teams won the Scottish Premier League (and a 5th team was a mere 10 minutes away from winning it) yet since then only two teams have won it. Football has changed massively. Money is king. A non old firm team winning the league would be a truly remarkable achievement. We turn over £15m Celtic turnover £100m.

 

It's not that people hail him as a messiah it's just that a lot of our fans are a bit more realistic than others.

[Chewie37]

Love how it’s black or white for folk on here. Why shouldn’t we scrutinise our managers position? He’s in a position at our club and we want our club to do well and we shouldn’t ever get complacent. Think everyone recognises that he’s done a lot of positives and we maybe can do better, but there’s no guarantees at all in this game

[Panda]

It's irrelevant what's happening at other clubs.

 

Having said that, I do think Lennon will be under pressure if Hibs do not progress, second half of the season. Levein won't be sacked while Ann Budge is still in charge... who knows what goes on at hearts though! Gerrard will be sacked if Rangers don't finish at least second.

If Rangers finish third this season Gerrard won't be sacked. That I can guarantee you.

[Sonoftherock]

Love how it’s black or white for folk on here. Why shouldn’t we scrutinise our managers position? He’s in a position at our club and we want our club to do well and we shouldn’t ever get complacent. Think everyone recognises that he’s done a lot of positives and we maybe can do better, but there’s no guarantees at all in this game

 

Exactly.  Particularly on a discussion forum.  I have to laugh at the folk who carry on about people slaughtering managers or players on an internet messageboard!  If we weren't discussing this stuff on AFC Chat, there'd be no point in having a forum at all!   

 

If Rangers finish third this season Gerrard won't be sacked. That I can guarantee you.

 

There is no way you can guarantee that.  That is your opinion.  That you come away with daft statements like that, it says everything about the standard of journalism in the county!!

[alscotoz]

Exactly.  Particularly on a discussion forum.  I have to laugh at the folk who carry on about people slaughtering managers or players on an internet messageboard!  If we weren't discussing this stuff on AFC Chat, there'd be no point in having a forum at all!   

 

 

There is no way you can guarantee that.  That is your opinion.  That you come away with daft statements like that, it says everything about the standard of journalism in the county!!

 

Yeah, Panda's a coward.

[strachanmcgheegoal]

If Rangers finish third this season Gerrard won't be sacked. That I can guarantee you.

Won’t be sacked but he’ll be a tough euro draw or an arse cheek humping away from a crisis again. And at some point someone will ask king why were the famous Aberdeen 2nd with zero debt (pre Kingsford) and yet they’re 3rd having splurged what 40m? Having already played the “no that was the old company’s £140 m” card.

 

And the answer of course is....

 

Because they’re cunts.

[Dons79]

Nottingham forest looking for a new manager this morning, has a look of Mcinnes signing all over it, a club that don’t generally punt on the 10 old merigoround managers that are unemployed

[BWG]

They seem like a fucking disaster of a club.  They must be if they appointed Warburton.  I think McInnes would knock that back, unfortunately.

[minijc]

When will people realise that Mcinnes's stock has fallen, he's no longer a realistic consideration for teams in the championship chasing promotion.

[TheRock]

I agree his stock has fallen (not sure why though, he's been pretty consistent the whole time. But perception is reality in this case) but if Jack Ross can get a job chasing promotion in their third tier, don't see why McInnes wouldn't be in the running for a job a league above.

[AllyDon]

Exactly.  Particularly on a discussion forum.  I have to laugh at the folk who carry on about people slaughtering managers or players on an internet messageboard!  If we weren't discussing this stuff on AFC Chat, there'd be no point in having a forum at all!   

 

 

With you on this one.

 

Some people just take the forum too serious.

 

It's supposed to be a bit of light entertainment.

[Redstar]

Gerrard would not be sacked for 3rd this season

He's delusional chief...was claiming Andy Murray would win Wimbledon this year on another thread

[Torry Tosser]

They seem like a fucking disaster of a club. They must be if they appointed Warburton. I think McInnes would knock that back, unfortunately.

He got no chance of that job,wouldn't be on the Forest boards mind.

They are about to get the guy sacked by Fulham, he took Fulham and Watford

up...Well odds on now.

[BWG]

The huns don't sack managers, they resign them.

 

And fucking nobody can predict what that lot will or won't do.  They are a mental club.

[Torry Tosser]

Martin O'Neil now joint fav for Forest.

[old sheep]

McInnes is going nowhere. The next contract he signs will be an Aberdeen one - most likely before the end of the season. He is on a good wage, has the chairman in his pocket and is under no real pressure to win things. The Scotland gig will be his next move.

[RAZOR]

I agree his stock has fallen (not sure why though, he's been pretty consistent the whole time. But perception is reality in this case) but if Jack Ross can get a job chasing promotion in their third tier, don't see why McInnes wouldn't be in the running for a job a league above.

He was offered that job before Jack Ross and turned it down tbf. A decision that still haunts that wanker Kevin Kilbane to this day. Needless to say they got relegated and along with that Hun cunt Martin Bain made a very laughable Netflix series.

[StandFree1982]

McInnes might stick around for the new stadium to open, then fuck off after. Unless of course he's fired before then.