Reliablesource Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 I don't really understand enough about company types so someone can correct me if I am wrong. My understanding of this is that the investors who we have lined up don't want to have to then make an offer for the whole equity of AFC, which they would be obliged to do with a plc, so turning AFC into a private company negates that and makes us a much more agreeable company to invest in?You could indeed look at it like that. You could instead form a view based on what the Twitter zombies say. Link to comment
Ten Caat Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Daft question but how do you buy shares in AFC? Club shop. Hang fire till after Easter and they will be significantly reduced in price Link to comment
boboisared Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Club shop. Hang fire till after Easter and they will be significantly reduced in priceNot bad. Link to comment
fine-n-dandy Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 I heard the next plan is to turn AberDNA into a private limited company as well 3 Link to comment
sooth_stander Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 So, what will happen to the shares of all those who bought £250 worth back in 1995? If it’s a PLC, will the owners of those shares have to sell them, or phit? Link to comment
Tord31 Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 its going to mean very little change. its very difficult to trade the shares at the moment and something will likely be put in place similar Link to comment
strachanmcgheegoal Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 No they’re just worth less. That’s the purpose of the takeover protection laws. Say you own 250 and there’s 1000 in total. So you own 1/4 of the cake. If they create another 1000 shares which the owner of the other 750 buys he now own 7/8ths and by doing nothing your slice has gone down to an 8th. As someone said above it’s an apparently positive use of the same rule that Dave King is using negatively to dilute out any huns who doesn’t tow the line (ie give him their money to fund his pipe dream). Including the club Tropicana mugs. Link to comment
Don Shula Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 No they’re just worth less. That’s the purpose of the takeover protection laws. Say you own 250 and there’s 1000 in total. So you own 1/4 of the cake. If they create another 1000 shares which the owner of the other 750 buys he now own 7/8ths and by doing nothing your slice has gone down to an 8th. As someone said above it’s an apparently positive use of the same rule that Dave King is using negatively to dilute out any huns who doesn’t tow the line (ie give him their money to fund his pipe dream). Including the club Tropicana mugs. Your example is very misleading min. They don't just create shares, they sell them so as long as it's for the right price your own shareholding value doesn't change. Using your numbers. If the business was worth £1Million then your 25% is worth £250K (£1000 per share). They then issue another 1,000 shares for £1Million (at the same £1,000 per share) so your shareholding has gone down to 12.5% but the business is now worth £2 Million (the original value of £1M plus the new cash paid into the business of £1M) so your 12.5% is worth the same £250K. Link to comment
aberdeen1970 Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Whereas with the Huns their shares are worthless anyway so extra share issues don't affect the value of their shareholding! Link to comment
minijc Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Yeh, what you took from it. But like most things you say, everyone else can safely assume you're wrong.I'll take a comment like that off of most on here but nae you, so stick to reporting on womens football after you failed at covering the mens game you piece of garbage. 1 1 Link to comment
strachanmcgheegoal Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Your example is very misleading min. They don't just create shares, they sell them so as long as it's for the right price your own shareholding value doesn't change. Using your numbers. If the business was worth £1Million then your 25% is worth £250K (£1000 per share). They then issue another 1,000 shares for £1Million (at the same £1,000 per share) so your shareholding has gone down to 12.5% but the business is now worth £2 Million (the original value of £1M plus the new cash paid into the business of £1M) so your 12.5% is worth the same £250K.Aye but you’re assuming your investment of £1m pits another £1m of equity onto the bottom line (not a given) and you’re assuming your own share value is right ie. that’s what the new ones will be worth. That’s not usually the case. Link to comment
V for Vendetta Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 So, what will happen to the shares of all those who bought £250 worth back in 1995? If it’s a PLC, will the owners of those shares have to sell them, or phit?They still own them but can't trade them as easily. And if more shares are issued then the existing shares are reduced in value (simplest way of looking at it) Link to comment
Don Shula Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Aye but you’re assuming your investment of £1m pits another £1m of equity onto the bottom line (not a given) and you’re assuming your own share value is right ie. that’s what the new ones will be worth. That’s not usually the case. On day one of the new investment the £1M does go to straight to equity, what it is worth thereafter of course depends on what it is used for. I agree with you the key point is what share price is used to issue the new shares and it is that alone that determines whether the original shareholders are diluted or not. I believe they have been using £1 per share when issuing shares for the recent investments from Cormack and Crotty. Link to comment
Panda Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 I'll take a comment like that off of most on here but nae you, so stick to reporting on womens football after you failed at covering the mens game you piece of garbage.I cover both, along with a whole range of stuff. So you'll need a new insult. I'll give you a few days to think one up. 2 Link to comment
NEM Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 HOW DO YOU BUY SHARES IN AFCYou gonna buy 5? 7 Link to comment
Panda Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 HOW DO YOU BUY SHARES IN AFCSurely you don't need someone to answer this question? Link to comment
BWG Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 I've got 300 or so shares. I'll sell you them Millerman if you make me a reasonable offer. Link to comment
Ten Caat Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 I do What number do you phone BWG's moby… In view of the recent news, you may not be short of offers by other shareholders very willing to sell you theirs ana Link to comment
Tord31 Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 egm tomorrow for the vote? understand the document says next to nothing about there being an investment bit of a non event when Milne and Cormack can vote this through themselves Link to comment
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