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Poll: Should Scotland be an independent country? (168 member(s) have cast votes)

Should Scotland be an independent country?

  1. Yes (130 votes [77.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 77.38%

  2. No (38 votes [22.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.62%

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#2371 OFFLINE   Bluto10

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Posted 23 January 2020 - 07:14 PM

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#2372 OFFLINE   Sooper-hanz

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Posted 23 January 2020 - 11:10 PM

AK has made that classic Dundee Utd fan error of being a cock.


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#2373 OFFLINE   alscotoz

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Posted 24 January 2020 - 07:45 AM

same as folk that booze in Irish bars

 

plastic/real/both?


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Posted 24 January 2020 - 08:04 AM

AK has made that classic Dundee Utd fan error of being a cock.


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#2375 OFFLINE   Clydeside_Sheep

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Posted 24 January 2020 - 09:30 AM

Independence armageddon will get us there, I assume your vote will change now!

 

I don't have time for your larger post just now, which revolves around trying to create an angle over disputing wording.

 

Ultimately in 2017, an SNP MP said he was confident there would be "concrete proposals" for pensions in place before the next referendum.

 

So clearly in his eyes, the waffle they have offered previously does not amount to "concrete proposals".

 

I agree with him for various reasons, not least the fact they would not even consider the pensionable age for future pensioners until after a successful vote.


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Posted 24 January 2020 - 09:47 AM

Cant be bothered arguing so just going to post pics
Have a nice day clydeside
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As For Fecks Sake says, this is meaningless without comparative figures.

 

And its not good to talk of average wages - high earners totally skew the averages.  Median figures are much more informative.

 

64% of the irish earn less than the "average" wage for example.

https://www.thejourn...562071-Apr2019/

 

Ireland is all smoke and mirrors.  Its claimed prosperity actually masks a lot of grinding poverty and a homelessness crisis which has endured for years.

 

Here is Varadkar getting snubbed on the campaign trail currently:    

 

 

The number of people who are in emergency accommodation has doubled in the last few years.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/sep/05/dublin-homelessness-crisis-jars-with-narrative-of-irish-economic-boom

 

In the current election build up, Fianna Fail have changed housing policy 3 times within 1 week.

https://gript.ie/ff-...licy-this-week/

 

Their health service makes the SNP look halfway competent. A man fell off a hospital trolley recently and was found next to it with a broken neck.  The formal response to this stated that the hospital cant accept blame because he might have already had a broken neck which had gone unnoticed.

https://gript.ie/harris-must-go/

 

Their politics is a joke, with all major parties having identical policies and everyone is 110% pro-EU, like how popular Hitler was in the 1930s.

 

Really Ireland benefits a small, pro-EU political / public sector elite and few others.  They are incahoots with international corporate bodies (apple / pharma companies etc) who treat the place like a tax haven.

 

Of course, crucially, their Government is just a local department of the EU.  They have no real power or independence. 

 

If they vote for the wrong thing, they have to vote again - happened twice so far.  They kid themselves this doesnt happen.

 

They have to get brussel's approval for their budgets.  Why do the SNP want to give other such power over Scotland?  Currently Holyrood alone signs off Scotlands Budgets.

 

I genuinely think Ireland is a joke country and would hate Scotland to be like that.  

 

Much better a strong Scotland, within a strong United Kingdom.


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Posted 24 January 2020 - 09:54 AM

^ boy’s probably just anti-poof and doesn’t want Varadkars jizzy mitts touching him
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Posted 24 January 2020 - 09:57 AM

jizzy mitts 

 

Good band name


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#2379 OFFLINE   milne_afc

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Posted 24 January 2020 - 10:51 AM

Also, Cavers *other* holiday tale
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#2380 OFFLINE   Sooper-hanz

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Posted 24 January 2020 - 12:18 PM


Bad_Mobby, on 24 Jan 2020 - 09:54 AM, said:snapback.png

jizzy mitts 

 

As H said good band name,  Sandra Soiledpants and the Jizzy Mitts


Edited by Sooper-hanz, 24 January 2020 - 12:18 PM.

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Posted 24 January 2020 - 12:59 PM

I don't have time for your larger post just now, which revolves around trying to create an angle over disputing wording.

 

Ultimately in 2017, an SNP MP said he was confident there would be "concrete proposals" for pensions in place before the next referendum.

 

So clearly in his eyes, the waffle they have offered previously does not amount to "concrete proposals".

 

I agree with him for various reasons, not least the fact they would not even consider the pensionable age for future pensioners until after a successful vote.

 

The bit about 2014 not being concrete is nonsense.  That is an assumption on your part.  

 

The last is a take you have decided on because it suits your agenda.  The proposals were:

 

a) Match current UK plans at worst.

b) Perhaps prefer to avoid the rise to 67 between 2026 and 2028 as they saw it as too aggressive. 

c) A clear plan with the mitigation that it can only be the case if the SNP formed government in an independent Scotland. 

 

We of course may go completely leftfield and vote in a government that promises pensions at 50 or 80, but you know what, it is very unlikely there will be any party offering that, and if there was and that is what we voted for, at least it is representing our population's feeling on the matter.


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Posted 24 January 2020 - 01:46 PM

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Posted 24 January 2020 - 01:52 PM

As For Fecks Sake says, this is meaningless without comparative figures.

And its not good to talk of average wages - high earners totally skew the averages. Median figures are much more informative.

64% of the irish earn less than the "average" wage for example.
https://www.thejourn...562071-Apr2019/

Ireland is all smoke and mirrors. Its claimed prosperity actually masks a lot of grinding poverty and a homelessness crisis which has endured for years.

Here is Varadkar getting snubbed on the campaign trail currently:



The number of people who are in emergency accommodation has doubled in the last few years.
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/sep/05/dublin-homelessness-crisis-jars-with-narrative-of-irish-economic-boom

In the current election build up, Fianna Fail have changed housing policy 3 times within 1 week.
https://gript.ie/ff-...licy-this-week/

Their health service makes the SNP look halfway competent. A man fell off a hospital trolley recently and was found next to it with a broken neck. The formal response to this stated that the hospital cant accept blame because he might have already had a broken neck which had gone unnoticed.
https://gript.ie/harris-must-go/

Their politics is a joke, with all major parties having identical policies and everyone is 110% pro-EU, like how popular Hitler was in the 1930s.

Really Ireland benefits a small, pro-EU political / public sector elite and few others. They are incahoots with international corporate bodies (apple / pharma companies etc) who treat the place like a tax haven.

Of course, crucially, their Government is just a local department of the EU. They have no real power or independence.

If they vote for the wrong thing, they have to vote again - happened twice so far. They kid themselves this doesnt happen.

They have to get brussel's approval for their budgets. Why do the SNP want to give other such power over Scotland? Currently Holyrood alone signs off Scotlands Budgets.

I genuinely think Ireland is a joke country and would hate Scotland to be like that.

Much better a strong Scotland, within a strong United Kingdom.


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#2384 OFFLINE   maryhilldon

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Posted 24 January 2020 - 02:01 PM



Ireland is all smoke and mirrors. Its claimed prosperity actually masks a lot of grinding poverty and a homelessness crisis which has endured for years.


I thought real hardship didn't exist anymore? The benefits are more generous in Eire than Britain, but you claim Eire has grinding poverty and Scotland doesn't? I suspect you're talking shite again.
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Posted 24 January 2020 - 02:07 PM

Are folk genuinly in poverty in Britain that can’t do something about it.

Never been in that position thankfully but surely you could get a job at Spar, benefits etc to keep you going.



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Posted 24 January 2020 - 02:19 PM



Never been in that position thankfully but surely you could get a job at Spar, benefits etc to keep you going.




The way Universal Credit works, every £1 you earn they deduct 66p from your benefits. So for example, if you take a minimum wage job (£8.21 ph) you're effectively working for £2.74 ph. Not a great incentive.
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Posted 24 January 2020 - 02:26 PM

The bit about 2014 not being concrete is nonsense.  That is an assumption on your part.  

 

 

One of their own MPs said it, i am not assuming anything.


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Posted 24 January 2020 - 02:31 PM

I thought real hardship didn't exist anymore?


I was talking about the UK, and Scotland in particular. I gave the example of my parents / grandparents early lives, compared to now and what a big change there has been.

It seems the more we have, the more we moan about out lot in life.

Im not claiming that things are not tough for some, or that we are all on easy street.

I just get really annoyed by the bogus narrative that this is a cruel, selfish nation which leaves people to suffer in misery so the faceless "rich" can eek out another penny of profit per annum.

This isnt a cruel, selfish nation, its one of the most generous and caring nations on earth.

Im tired of hearing that if you are not to the left of Chairman Mao, you must be some kind of mean cunt who hates "the poor".
 

The benefits are more generous in Eire than Britain, but you claim Eire has grinding poverty and Scotland doesn't?



Scotland is not suffering a homelessness crisis on the scale of what ireland (Dublin in particular) has right now. Its a major issue in their election campaign.

Meanwhile, we have the luxury of talking about a 2nd independence referendum.

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Posted 24 January 2020 - 02:40 PM

The way Universal Credit works, every £1 you earn they deduct 66p from your benefits. So for example, if you take a minimum wage job (£8.21 ph) you're effectively working for £2.74 ph. Not a great incentive.


Surely that’s when you implement operation fiction.

If I was fucked there is no way I would be paying tax etc, drop the last number in your NI.

I get that some folk are in hard times but you could go and get a shower somewhere get some clothes from a charity shop and fucking knock on folks offering to clean their cars or some shit.

Easier said than if you’’re in that position I suppose.
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Posted 24 January 2020 - 04:14 PM

One of their own MPs said it, i am not assuming anything.

 

I'm sure I will have concrete plans for Christmas dinner this year.  Doesn't mean I didn't have concrete plans for Christmas dinner last year, does it?


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Posted 24 January 2020 - 07:01 PM

Scotland is not suffering a homelessness crisis on the scale of what ireland (Dublin in particular) has right now. Its a major issue in their election campaign.
 

 

 

SHITE. 

 

Ireland homeless rate (10,500/4,900,000) = 0.00214286%

 

UK 1 in every 201 people (source big issue) = 0.00497%

 

Therefore the homeless problem in the UK is over twice as bad. 

 

You can't compare Ireland to Scotland as Dublin is a very different city to any in Scotland as it has a very fast growing economy and house prices where our economy is barely growing due to Brexit and other idiotic decisions of Westminster. 

 

People in Scotland are free to travel to warmer climates elsewhere in the UK. 

 

Also to add Scotland had 35,000 claims for homelessness in 2019....


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Posted 24 January 2020 - 07:09 PM

Are folk genuinly in poverty in Britain that can’t do something about it.

 

Depends how you define poverty. I wouldn't say there are people struggling to eat but some have pretty pathetic living conditions for the 21st century. 

 

Women I work with has a council property full of mould, which they can't/won't fix, she can't afford to move out while her kids suffer from asthma in it. 

 

Surely too fuck we can do better than this. 


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Posted 24 January 2020 - 07:20 PM

SHITE. 
 
Ireland homeless rate (10,500/4,900,000) = 0.00214286%
 
UK 1 in every 201 people (source big issue) = 0.00497%
 
Therefore the homeless problem in the UK is over twice as bad. 
 
You can't compare Ireland to Scotland as Dublin is a very different city to any in Scotland as it has a very fast growing economy and house prices where our economy is barely growing due to Brexit and other idiotic decisions of Westminster. 
 
People in Scotland are free to travel to warmer climates elsewhere in the UK. 
 
Also to add Scotland had 35,000 claims for homelessness in 2019....


pretty hard to say house prices arent growing in the two Sco cities I’ve lived in (abdn & edinb)
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Posted 24 January 2020 - 07:18 PM

pretty hard to say house prices arent growing in the two Sco cities I’ve lived in (abdn & edinb)


Aye Aberdeen's property market is positively booming.
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Posted 24 January 2020 - 07:30 PM

Depends how you define poverty. I wouldn't say there are people struggling to eat but some have pretty pathetic living conditions for the 21st century. 

 

Women I work with has a council property full of mould, which they can't/won't fix, she can't afford to move out while her kids suffer from asthma in it. 

 

Surely too fuck we can do better than this. 

 

Could she go one the game for a few months?


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Posted 24 January 2020 - 10:21 PM

Could she go one the game for a few months?


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Posted 24 January 2020 - 10:37 PM

Depends how you define poverty. I wouldn't say there are people struggling to eat but some have pretty pathetic living conditions for the 21st century.

Women I work with has a council property full of mould, which they can't/won't fix, she can't afford to move out while her kids suffer from asthma in it.

Surely too fuck we can do better than this.


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Sucks to your ass-mar !!

I saw a dude shitting in the street on Wednesday....

Walk it off !!!

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Posted 24 January 2020 - 10:54 PM

Ach.

Wheezy little cunts.

Sucks to your ass-mar !!

I saw a dude shitting in the street on Wednesday....

Walk it off !!!

#firstworldproblems


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Posted 25 January 2020 - 12:05 AM

How is your son in law?


Fuzzy wuzzy was a woman ??
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Posted 25 January 2020 - 12:07 AM

Want her number?

 

erm.., aye  ok. 


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