Coronavirus

[Zeus]

You can't do online learning with younger kids tho? 5-7 year olds na. 

They 100% need routine. 

I could go and buy a tablet / laptop for her tomorrow but nae all are that fortunate also. 

Probably nae in a couple of months also when this shite is enviatably still going on and work bin you off for trying to juggle childcare and work 

[NEM]

Just now, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said:

Aye. 
 

Just ignore all the science that suggests it has. 

Aye? 

Which lockdown measure in particular do you think has increased survival rates of folk who catch Covid or affected the age group dying from it?

[aberdeen1970]

Just now, Ke1t said:

He's 13. 

How do you think he'd be getting on with his virtual classes if he was 5 or 6?

[The Cockney Don]

 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, aberdeen1970 said:

Embarrassing. I'm done. You crack on

What do you want to happen? 
 

Schools be opened again to spread infection, because you're overwhelmed by having children full time and catering to their needs? 
 

It sounds harsh, but looking after your kid is no one else's responsibility, especially during times like these. 
 

 

 

[tommo1903]

Make all schools boarding schools. Fill up the empty hotels with the little shits until covid is done. It'll be the making of them. Look at Harry potter ffs.

Protect the old. Let the rest of us get on with it.

[aberdeen1970]

Just now, rocket_scientist said:

It's not so much that's he's not a parent and is in his 20's, it's incredible to me that he would try to say SO MUCH on a subject he clearly knows nothing of that is the most tragic. 

It's tragic really.  But maybe I'm expecting too much. 

[Guest]

Just now, NEM said:

Aye? 

Which lockdown measure in particular do you think has increased survival rates of folk who catch Covid or affected the age group dying from it?

I think locking the country down for a few months did a lot to stop initial spread that would've infected millions. 
 

The high death rates of elderly people could be down to the local lack of protection given to care homes, which proved fatal. 
 

 

[NEM]

Just now, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said:

I think locking the country down for a few months did a lot to stop initial spread that would've infected millions. 
 

The high death rates of elderly people could be down to the local lack of protection given to care homes, which proved fatal. 
 

 

It may have affected the rate of transmission, it wouldn't have impacted the survival rate.

 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, rocket_scientist said:

It's not so much that's he's not a parent and is in his 20's, it's incredible to me that he would try to say SO MUCH on a subject he clearly knows nothing of that is the most tragic. 

What I'm saying is totally fair. 
 

The child is a parents responsibility, it's up to them to guide them through whatever shit comes through their life, currently it's a pandemic. That's the hand god had played. 
 

To expect schools to be open, when they are essentially infection hubs, shouldn't be a feasible option. 
 

Im not trying to downplay the difficulty, but it's the choice you made in becoming a parent. This human being is now your responsibility until they are 18 at least. 
 

I do feel sorry for the children, and the parents. It's a shite situation, but what would you change? 
 

 

[aberdeen1970]

5 minutes ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said:

What do you want to happen? 
 

Schools be opened again to spread infection, because you're overwhelmed by having children full time and catering to their needs? 
 

It sounds harsh, but looking after your kid is no one else's responsibility, especially during times like these. 
 

 

 

You're making a cunt of yourself. 

The fact you think all kids are 15 or 16 year old boys who have xboxes and bikes and would be chuffed to have time off school is tragic. 

No fucking idea honestly. 

 

 

[Ke1t]

Just now, aberdeen1970 said:

How do you think he'd be getting on with his virtual classes if he was 5 or 6?

How complex are the classes for a 5 or 6 year old, though? 

I seem to recall a lot of colouring in maps  and basic counting around that age... it's not like their coursework requires a massive amount of input or detailing from the teacher, and I would hope 99% of parents can easily oversee any slack that needs to be taken up for that age group. 

By 8-10 I'd think kids are more or less able to pay attention. 

 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, NEM said:

It may have affected the rate of transmission, it wouldn't have impacted the survival rate.

 

The more transmissions= more deaths. 
 

[NEM]

Just now, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said:

The more transmissions= more deaths. 
 

I think you need to go ask a grown up to explain how percentages work ?

[aberdeen1970]

Just now, Ke1t said:

How complex are the classes for a 5 or 6 year old, though? 

I seem to recall a lot of colouring in maps  and basic counting around that age... it's not like their coursework requires a massive amount of input or detailing from the teacher, and I would hope 99% of parents can easily oversee any slack that needs to be taken up for that age group. 

By 8-10 I'd think kids are more or less able to pay attention. 

 

How many 5 year olds do you know Kelt who are capable of spending 5 days a week engaging with teachers and classmates and their lessons on a tablet? 

 

Come on min, you're on the wind up.  Surely you remember when your boy was that age? 

[Guest]

Just now, aberdeen1970 said:

You're making a cunt of yourself. 

The fact you think all kids are 15 or 16 year old boys who have xboxes and bikes and would be chuffed to have time off school is tragic. 

No fucking idea honestly. 

 

 

So you're not answering still. 
 

what would you do? 
 

This is why I wouldn't have kids. It's a nightmare, especially during times of hardship like this. It's up to every individual what they want in life and god bless them with whatever they do, but you get a shit load of this attitude from parents, especially those of young children. 
 

"No one gets how HARD it is being a parent." Well, don't have fuckin kids then? Of course it's hard, you're raising another whole human being, sometimes more than one, dependant on how many you have. What would you do differently during this pandemic, when you know schools are spreading infection? 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said:

How many 5 year olds do you know Kelt who are capable of spending 5 days a week engaging with teachers and classmates and their lessons on a tablet? 

 

Come on min, you're on the wind up.  Surely you remember when your boy was that age? 

So what would you do? 
 

It's the way it is right now. No one is saying it's not shite, no one is saying it's not hard and it definitely isn't fair. 
 

It's the chips we're being dealt, and parents will just have to assume responsibility and roll with the punches. Like everybody else. 

[aberdeen1970]

1 minute ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said:

So you're not answering still. 
 

what would you do? 
 

This is why I wouldn't have kids. It's a nightmare, especially during times of hardship like this. It's up to every individual what they want in life and god bless them with whatever they do, but you get a shit load of this attitude from parents, especially those of young children. 
 

"No one gets how HARD it is being a parent." Well, don't have fuckin kids then? Of course it's hard, you're raising another whole human being, sometimes more than one, dependant on how many you have. What would you do differently during this pandemic, when you know schools are spreading infection? 

Schools are still the safest places for the kids at this time. Particularly the younger ones and the ones who have additional challenges. 

 

 

[Zeus]

So what if said parent of 5 year old loses their job due to them struggling to juggle helping the kid and doing their job? 

Tough fucking titties? 

Job loss = financial hardship = poor health, no? 

 

Dinna say "employer should be sympathetic" that's not the way it's works ffs

[aberdeen1970]

2 minutes ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said:

So what would you do? 
 

It's the way it is right now. No one is saying it's not shite, no one is saying it's not hard and it definitely isn't fair. 
 

It's the chips we're being dealt, and parents will just have to assume responsibility and roll with the punches. Like everybody else. 

 

I was typing a reply. 

And stop badgering me for answers to your questions as if you are someone in the know here.

This is the last post I'll be having with you on this subject. 

[CraigHill]

Did the Scottish Government not release a study on the impact of Covid at schools around a month ago and it advised that there was no real risk with schools continuing as they currently are?

Now they want to shut them down again.......

The Scottish Government are a complete clusterfuck.

[For Fecks Sake]

4 minutes ago, rocket_scientist said:

It's not hard being a parent. It's hard listening to an opinionated cunt in his 20's who's never had kids - and tragically (and yet almost understandably in the modern era) doesn't want any - speak SO MUCH on a subject he knows nothing about. 

^This.

(Your still a cunt like ?)

[Guest]

Just now, aberdeen1970 said:

Schools are still the safest places for the kids at this time. Particularly the younger ones and the ones who have additional challenges. 

 

 

For the kids, maybe, for everyone else, no. 
 

Children with additional needs should be assisted by the government as well, in my opinion. Anything to relieve the pressure off the parents. A grant, providing access to specialist charities etc. 
 

As for kids going home to shite homes, shite parents etc, that's heartbreaking. It's a sin that these bastards have kids. But this has always been about what works for everyone at large. Schools should be doing their utmost to identify kids who they believe to be in danger and there should be government intervention via social care there as well. Unfortunately, there is no absolute way to make it work. Short term, kids being at home and not spreading the virus, will allow them to return to routine sooner than later.
 

Unfortunately, it's a shitshow, it's a huge can of worms. 

[Fridge]

That is the point though, folk need to pay their bills and work. If you are a single Mum you can’t be sitting with a kid all day on their laptop. And kids will suffer over it. 

[Ke1t]

Just now, aberdeen1970 said:

How many 5 year olds do you know Kelt who are capable of spending 5 days a week engaging with teachers and classmates and their lessons on a tablet? 

 

Come on min, you're on the wind up.  Surely you remember when your boy was that age? 

But that's what I'm saying, kids that age aren't learning astrophysics that you absolutely need a full time teacher overseeing... they're learning very, very basic stuff that parents can take up the slack with.  I'm not saying it's a breeze, but it's possible with a little bit of adapting. And as kids are getting older they should be developing the attention span that allows them to understand more advanced subjects and also pay attention to their virtual classes.

As far as my situation is concerned I probably go to the opposite extreme of what is required...  I'm a massive advocate of learning beyond the standard school curriculum, and it's second nature for us to be teaching him stuff ourselves that schools don't teach.  So even before the Covid thing we were doing this.  

[For Fecks Sake]

1 minute ago, CraigHill said:

Did the Scottish Government not release a study on the impact of Covid at schools around a month ago and it advised that there was no real risk with schools continuing as they currently are?

The same Govt that never recognised the link between emptying hospitals into care homes and the then massive rise in care home deaths - aye that one....

[Ohjimmyjimmy]

12 minutes ago, ConsiCanBoogie1903 said:

What do you want to happen? 
 

Schools be opened again to spread infection, because you're overwhelmed by having children full time and catering to their needs? 
 

It sounds harsh, but looking after your kid is no one else's responsibility, especially during times like these. 
 

 

 

The primary responsibility for looking after our children is parents - but society has a responsibility here too. That’s why the taxes of childless people like yourself go towards educating my kids.

Kids don’t just got to school to get “looked after” - they go do learn, to grow and develop into functioning adults. 

I accept that when schools aren’t open, then I have to make other arrangements to look after my children - this happens for a large part of the year where there are school holidays, weekends and any other time that isn’t a weekday between 9 and 3.20pm.

The last time schools were closed things were difficult but we managed. My wife was on maternity leave and I was working from home - so we juggled work, schooling a 5 year old and looking after a newborn.

This time, my wife is back at work...the 5 year old will be fine, she can read beyond her years but I’m sure I’d rather have a full time teacher for her than us! It’s only a couple of weeks - so we’ll cope, fortunate to be in the position where we’re both earning.

Looking after a 1 year old while trying to work though....fuck that.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Zeus said:

So what if said parent of 5 year old loses their job due to them struggling to juggle helping the kid and doing their job? 

Tough fucking titties? 

Job loss = financial hardship = poor health, no? 

Well I'm a believer of a Universal Basic Income, for eventualities such as these. 
 

It shouldn't be tough titties, but because of our Uber capitalist tendency as a society, and the myth that working hard gives you any guarantees, that's the way it would go. 
 

That's the problem when you have a global economy essentially predicated on a gamble, and a public health crisis comes along. 
 

You'd hope that the powers that be will use the pandemic as an opportunity for a more planned economy, to allow foresight to prepare for the issues that come along when you have to shut down entire countries. 

[aberdeen1970]

1 minute ago, Ke1t said:

But that's what I'm saying, kids that age aren't learning astrophysics that you absolutely need a full time teacher overseeing... they're learning very, very basic stuff that parents can take up the slack with.  I'm not saying it's a breeze, but it's possible with a little bit of adapting. And as kids are getting older they should be developing the attention span that allows them to understand more advanced subjects and also pay attention to their virtual classes.

As far as my situation is concerned I probably go to the opposite extreme of what is required...  I'm a massive advocate of learning beyond the standard school curriculum, and it's second nature for us to be teaching him stuff ourselves that schools don't teach.  So even before the Covid thing we were doing this.  

We do the same Kelt.  We don't rely on the school for the education alone. 

 

[aberdeen1970]

1 minute ago, rocket_scientist said:

Idealism v. Real world.

Was never going to work. 

"should, should, should" 

"I'm a firm believer..."