Scottish Independence Referendum 2

[Redforever86]

Aye

Thought as much.

 

Maybe just pay your taxes and be quiet, instead of voting in idiots for the rest of your life time also.

[eeps]

Thought as much.

 

Maybe just pay your taxes and be quiet, instead of voting in idiots for the rest of your life time also.

What the fuck are you on about, make some sense

[Redforever86]

What the fuck are you on about, make some sense

1. You said in other words the country has gone to fuck since you were a kid.

 

2. You and your generation voted for the people who have caused this downfall.

[eeps]

1. You said in other words the country has gone to fuck since you were a kid.

 

2. You and your generation voted for the people who have caused this downfall.

No it's the incessant drive to independence since SNP came to power that's fucked it.

[Redforever86]

No it's the incessant drive to independence since SNP came to power that's fucked it.

Lol.

 

They must be doing a terrible job if they’ve been in power this long and don’t change leader every 6 months.

[Simply Red]

It's a fact you utter fud

Whats a fact?

[Torry Tosser]

Is there a point to any kind of march these days? Don't make a blind bit of difference.

The same bunch of loonies travel the country taking part in them all.

Shale Gas

Gay Pride

Save the planet

Feminine Rights

Free Charlie Bronson

Bring Back The Magic Roundabout.

Texting each other daily to find

oot when the next one is.

Get a fuckin life.

[maryhilldon]

No it's the incessant drive to independence since SNP came to power that's fucked it.

Can you expand on this? I really can't see much difference one way or the other since the SNP have been in charge. In what way is the country fucked now that it wasn't under Scottish Labour? Most of the hardships of the last 10 years have been imposed by tory austerity to bail out the bankers.

[Guest milne_afc]

The same bunch of loonies travel the country taking part in them all.

Shale Gas

Gay Pride

Save the planet

Feminine Rights

Free Charlie Bronson

Bring Back The Magic Roundabout.

Texting each other daily to find

oot when the next one is.

Get a fuckin life.

Meanwhile, you're on here talking about football most days.

[afc_blockhead]

Lol.

 

They must be doing a terrible job if they’ve been in power this long and don’t change leader every 6 months.

 

They have done a terrible job with the NHS, Education and the Police. 

 

3 of the main areas they control.

 

The SNP specialise in dragging along just enough idiots with promises of independence, something they couldn't and never will deliver.

[afc_blockhead]

Lol.

 

They must be doing a terrible job if they’ve been in power this long and don’t change leader every 6 months.

 

They have done a terrible job with the NHS, Education and the Police. 

 

3 of the main areas they control.

 

The SNP specialise in dragging along just enough idiots with promises of independence, something they couldn't and never will deliver.

[Simply Red]

I grew up with things being fairly straightforward, Scottish , British, strong country globally. It's been fucked and in my opinion will be disastrous for Scotland and the rest of Britain to separate in to wee countries for absolutely fuck all good reason. The level of debate in the matter by many indy types is summed up by Simply Red who calls someone a spastic for stating a fact, that is AUOB organisers have been defrauding money from collection boxes.

You grew up and everything was straightforward?

A very childlike, simplistic thing to say.

A good strong Tory government that didnt have a majority vote in Scotland for most of it - is that the simpler times youre talking about?

Im no tartan army geezer i just recognise that Scotland should categorically be self-governing and a wholly independent country based on simple facts.

Population of 5million, far easier to manage. Far easier to implement changes in a timely cost effective way. We are a smart enough people to make sure our country doesnt fall apart.

The likes of Norway, Finland, Iceland, Sweden all manage fine, thriving in fact and are comparable in economy and population to us. Better schools, better health care.

Britain is a fucking shambles. How much has this protracted brexit shambles cost us and its still not sorted. The SNP never caused that.

A lot of NO retards dont even realise that in an independent Scotland it doesnt have to be the SNP in charge. Im sure the Scottish tories and Labour will become stronger within an independent Scotland. I bore myself with this stuff tbh so i’ll stop but in conclusion, NO cunts are selfish fucking wimps. No faith in our own to run our own affairs but Teresa and Boris, aye they’ll do. Fuck off

[Torry Tosser]

Meanwhile, you're on here talking about football most days.

Aye,but I don't travel all the way doon to Cornwall to take part.

[eeps]

You grew up and everything was straightforward?

A very childlike, simplistic thing to say.

A good strong Tory government that didnt have a majority vote in Scotland for most of it - is that the simpler times youre talking about?

Im no tartan army geezer i just recognise that Scotland should categorically be self-governing and a wholly independent country based on simple facts.

Population of 5million, far easier to manage. Far easier to implement changes in a timely cost effective way. We are a smart enough people to make sure our country doesnt fall apart.

The likes of Norway, Finland, Iceland, Sweden all manage fine, thriving in fact and are comparable in economy and population to us. Better schools, better health care.

Britain is a fucking shambles. How much has this protracted brexit shambles cost us and its still not sorted. The SNP never caused that.

A lot of NO retards dont even realise that in an independent Scotland it doesnt have to be the SNP in charge. Im sure the Scottish tories and Labour will become stronger within an independent Scotland. I bore myself with this stuff tbh so i’ll stop but in conclusion, NO cunts are selfish fucking wimps. No faith in our own to run our own affairs but Teresa and Boris, aye they’ll do. Fuck off

 

My argument is simplistic? I'm talking about the impact of a referendum on the polity. You three together the Nordic countries typically but they're not like for like, you think Brexit chaotic but secession from UK won't? Holy fuck. Do you want Scotland to secede from UK then join the EU and Euro like Sweden and Finland or out as Iceland and Norway? As far as I'm concerned Scotland does manage its own affairs as part of democratic nation state this argument that no supporters are 'selfish fucking wimps' is simply simpleton talk, without any meaning at all.

[maryhilldon]

this argument that no supporters are 'selfish fucking wimps' is simply simpleton talk, without any meaning at all.

Middle class pensioners worrying about the value of their pensions/savings voted no, to hell with the young and less fortunate. Oh, and huns of course, they voted no as well.

[Simply Red]

Do you want Scotland to secede from UK then join the EU and Euro like Sweden and Finland or out as Iceland and Norway?

An independent Scotland which is part of the EU would be the ideal situation yes. What would be your main issue with that?

[eeps]

In a nutshell

Inane shite in a nutshell is still inane shite. There is no coherent argument for independence based on the future of our young. Older people are often wiser people and tend to want to protect their children.

[eeps]

An independent Scotland which is part of the EU would be the ideal situation yes. What would be your main issue with that?

So you'd give up sovereignty straight away to an undemocratic institution and take on the euro, huge levels of fiscal austerity to meet conditions to join. My main issue though is the incoherence - freedom from the apparent yoke of Westminster which at least is a functioning democracy to be a smaller fish in a far less accountable rule maker.

[Simply Red]

So you'd give up sovereignty straight away to an undemocratic institution and take on the euro, huge levels of fiscal austerity to meet conditions to join. My main issue though is the incoherence - freedom from the apparent yoke of Westminster which at least is a functioning democracy to be a smaller fish in a far less accountable rule maker.

Britain never gave up its sovereignty to be part of the EU, why would Scotland? We wouldnt be swapping Westminster for Brussels at all. Britain as part of the EU never swapped Westminster for Brussels so i dont understand your reasoning.

[Parklife]

So you'd give up sovereignty straight away to an undemocratic institution and take on the euro, huge levels of fiscal austerity to meet conditions to join. My main issue though is the incoherence - freedom from the apparent yoke of Westminster which at least is a functioning democracy to be a smaller fish in a far less accountable rule maker.

Love the "undemocratic institution" line from someone who purports being ruled by unelected Lords in Westminster - LOL.

 

Scotland won't have to take on the Euro. A complete myth that's been busted so many times it's not even worth conversing with blatant liars over anymore.

 

I'm pretty sure you're well aware that the areas the EU exerts control over is far less than what the UK does over Scotland also. So don't equate them, you just look foolish doing so.

[maryhilldon]

freedom from the apparent yoke of Westminster which at least is a functioning democracy

 

[eeps]

Love the "undemocratic institution" line from someone who purports being ruled by unelected Lords in Westminster - LOL.

 

Scotland won't have to take on the Euro. A complete myth that's been busted so many times it's not even worth conversing with blatant liars over anymore.

 

I'm pretty sure you're well aware that the areas the EU exerts control over is far less than what the UK does over Scotland also. So don't equate them, you just look foolish doing so.

The EU is undemocratic to its core as legislation is introduced by unelected bureaucrats then amended by meps. Members are then bound by this legislation.

 

The hol performs a similar function but does NOT introduce legislation merely amends it, so it does not rule over us as you suggest.

 

Scotland would have to commit to join the Euro. This is not a myth and has not been busted.

[Torry Tosser]

What needs to be considered is will there be a European Union in 10 years.

Only saying as there are big rumblings already in France,Italy and Spain to jump ship.

[Redforever86]

What needs to be considered is will there be a European Union in 10 years.

Only saying as there are big rumblings already in France,Italy and Spain to jump ship.

 

Well we don't even know how the amazing UK is leaving or if they are leaving at the end of October so I wouldn't worry about 10 years. 

[Torry Tosser]

Well we don't even know how the amazing UK is leaving or if they are leaving at the end of October so I wouldn't worry about 10 years.

I want be worrying aboot it all I'm afraid,I'm mair worried we get past these bastards tonight.

[Redforever86]

They have done a terrible job with the NHS, Education and the Police. 

 

3 of the main areas they control.

 

 

These are just headlines from Tory papers not real facts so aren't they. 

 

1. NHS waiting times lower in Scotland than England, free prescriptions in Scotland and not England, more drugs available in Scotland than in England. 

 

1-0

 

2. What is education exactly? Is it a grade on a piece of paper? Is the ability to get a job? 

 

In England it's a debt of £60,000 that saddles you for the rest of your life if want a degree of any merit. 

 

In Scotland it's free higher education for all and record employment. 

 

2 - 0

 

3. Policing. A few policemen lost their independence to fuck around had to become a national force. Helping to reduce knife crime in Glasgow massively and the only way to create an organisation with enough scale and coverage to tackle nationwide drugs gangs etc. 

 

Meanwhile London is the murder capital of Western Europe and a complete fucking shambles. 

 

3 - 0

 

 

 

But aye vote to be part of that bunch of fuds in London.

[Clydeside_Sheep]

Love the "undemocratic institution" line from someone who purports being ruled by unelected Lords in Westminster - LOL.

The Lords do not create legislation to be imposed on us, like the European Commission does.

 

Rather it is a review body, for legislation created by our elected representatives.

 

Our 2 house system is acknowledged to be a good system.

 

in contrast the EU has it arse for tit, with unelected people creating the rules and elected MEPs tinkering around the edges.

 

Scotland won't have to take on the Euro.

Aye and sevco are the same club.

[Clydeside_Sheep]

NHS waiting times lower in Scotland than England

This SNP trope of constant comparison to england is not a bona fide argument and means nothing, except to dopes.

 

For example, I am less fat than you, but that doesn't mean I am as slim as a rake.

 

Anyway - a lower waiting time to be poisoned by bird shit at the QE hospital, or soaked by flooding at the new edinburgh hospital which might never open.

 

Great, break out the champers.

 

free prescriptions in Scotland

A great thing which an independent Scotland could not afford (just like free higher education).

[Clydeside_Sheep]

Britain never gave up its sovereignty to be part of the EU

Yes, that's why when the UK voted to leave the EU, that happened quickly and easily, right?

 

Uh....wait......

 

Currently Holyrood approves its own budgets. An indy Scotland in the EU would need Brussels approval for what Holyrood spends money on.

[Redforever86]

For example, I am less fat than you, but that doesn't mean I am as slim as a rake.

 

Anyway - a lower waiting time to be poisoned by bird shit at the QE hospital, or soaked by flooding at the new edinburgh hospital which might never open.

 

Great, break out the champers.

 

You are a fat fuck, nae chance I'm heavier than you. 

 

Hospitals funded by Labours PFI fucking our NHS? Something that the SNP is just trying to fix. 

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/pfi-replacement-costs-scots-taxpayers-dear-x07rzfrgl

 

The hospital is covered in bird shite because weegies are fucking minks, simple as that.