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and no, im not a spastic, thanks

 

Is that in reference to Kelt asking if you're autistic?

 

You are actually saying that you regard people with autism as "spastics"! Even by your admittedly low standards, that is truly disgusting. Do you actually understand what Kelt was asking you? Do you realise that its thought that as many as 10% of the population could register on the autisitic spectrum, and the vasy majority aren't aware they are? Do you realise that the term "spastic" is totally unacceptable? Do you not think its possible many of the site users have family or friends that have ben diagnosed as autistic?

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fucking hell

 

youre one of those ones who complains about frankie boyle, arent you?

 

you have NO right making this personal

 

idiot

 

 

 

You never fail to live up to my exceedinly low opinion of you. I've always thought you were an obnoxious, attention seeking, pathetic little man, I really wish you would get the fuck off this website for good.

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yeah, its going south because kilkito has been a complete cock and raised a subject which he knows FINE well i didnt mean

 

i hope people can see this too

 

so when you were asked if you were autistic, and you replied, "no, I'm not a spastic" you wern't suggesting that people with autism were spastics, I've just totally misread that?

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so, bearing in mind you were using vernon as an example of someone mcghee brought in, which was against the grain of pussys...

 

youre still maintaining you were right?

 

He was an example of a player who isn't what I would consider a 'puffball'.

 

Also, to reiterate, I was being serious when I said I was being serious about the autism thing.

 

You closely mimic the mental processes of a poster on a Religion and Ethics board I (used to) frequent. He was open about his Aspergers, and the similarity you exhibit to his thought process and difficulty with what to non-Aspergers sufferers would be straightforward concepts, is remarkable.

 

Initially there was hostility towards him, but when he opened up about his condition there was a lot more understanding.

 

The things I'm having to repeat to you over and again, in what are fairly simply terms, might not be registering with you for a reason. Knowing the signs, it seems to me you may just not be diagnosed.

 

The alternative to that is that you're deliberately not understanding.

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I knew I shouldn't respond to what was said, as I new I'd get insults instead of some sort of climb down, which would just irritate me even more, but i couldn't believe I'd just read it, I couldn't let it go. Sorry for taking this thread as far of course as it is possible to go,mods please feel free to remove my posts.

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Fuck sake MT, just apologise for your offensive comment! Intended or just through ignorance. Unbelievable!

 

Ignoranve is nae a defence. The only reference Ke1t made to any condition was that of autism and MT's defence seems to be that he thought he was calling him a spastic. Dinnae comment on things that you don't understand ffs. If you don't understand, there is a tool you can use to find out more before you make a fool of yourself, and it is the same one that you use to post on here.

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what exactly did i do wrong?

 

stoney calls me a spastic all the time when slagging me off, but because it was i who used it, kilkito seen his chance to try and make me the bad guy yet again

 

its fucking unreal

 

:tumbleweed:

 

He has no problem with you using the term spastic you neep.

 

Look back at what you said. Ke1t suggested you showed the signs of autism, and you decided to take it as calling you a spastic.

 

Have a quick read up on what autism is before you continue to make a fool of yourself.

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why would i delibertaly not understand?

 

There are any number of reasons. In the face of a superior position, refusal to accept the evidence, logic or rationale... but again, I'm not suggesting you are deliberately not understanding. In fact I raised the point that you just might not be able to rationalise what I'm saying.

 

Perfect example being your immediate assumption that the only alternative to 'puffball' was 'hard man' when that was never in fact raised by myself, and your then subsequent argument against a position I had never adopted. That's one example.

 

 

you mean like tup, who just says things for a reaction?

 

tup, as far as I'm aware, is a constructed personality. He doesn't take himself seriously, though the irony is that he appears to take himself seriously. I believe that's the (ongoing) joke. In character he'll doubtless have to come back at me and tell me I'm wrong, even though we both know I'm right, hypothetically speaking.

 

no sorry, im not like that

 

ive often thought i maybe was clinically speaking, a % "handicapped" (is that term allowed on here?) as there are maybe some things i do which dont seem "normal"

 

you are a guy whose general intelligence i genuinely respect, so tell me why you think this...you may be right

 

I've told you... your thought/logic processes and debating content almost exactly mirrors that of another poster who was very open regarding his Asperger's . He also had other issues which I don't think relate to you in any way, at least I certainly hope not, and I've never suspected it of you or any other poster on this board... in fact I've deliberately never mentioned him in the pub section, even though his posts could keep a battery of psychologists* in work for a decade. I can independently verify this poster's existence, in case anyone thinks I'm making this up, btw. I can provide a link and a user name.... should anyone think this is mere fabrication. It's not.

 

 

*unrelated to his Autism.

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fucking hell

 

maybe itll clear it up if i explain that by "spastic", i just meant a handicap of some sort - thats all

 

if thats incorrect and it caused kilkito offence, then i offer an unreserved apology

 

 

 

see this is classic...you refer to yourself or others, as being in a superior position to me when im arguing

 

I was offering up possible scenarios, not what I think to be the reason. I didn't actually say my position was superior, although naturally if I didn't feel a position was superior then I wouldn't adopt it. The logical extension of that is that YOU believe YOUR position to be superior, otherwise you wouldn't adopt it. No-one rationally adopts a position that they believe to be logically inferior unless they just really like fighting.

 

Again, you took my comment entirely the wrong way.

 

 

how the fuck do you work that out?

 

its BECAUSE you THINK youre in a superior position that i do argue

 

No.. look... christ... The most common reason for people adopting a position is BECAUSE they believe it to be the superior position. You don't adopt an argument based upon thinking your own argument sucks. It would be like trying to argue Mars is bigger than Saturn.... why would anyone adopt an INFERIOR position? Rationally, adopting the position that Mars is bigger than Saturn makes no sense based upon the premise that you deliberately adopt a contrary position based upon what is perceived as someone adopting a superior position.

 

My fucking head hurts just having to type that... I can't even begin to imagine what reading that line cold is like.

 

Regardless, we ALL think our position is superior.... otherwise why would we adopt that position?

 

Are you telling me that you're arguing simply because it's a contrary position to mine, and you're aware that you're wrong?*

 

but im glad you can differentiate between tup and i, thats comfortin

 

It really shouldn't be.

 

Tup I see as an adopted persona, one he dumps at the door on the way out of this room. If, however, tup is like tup in real life then maybe some dudes carrying butterfly nets are in his future.

 

 

 

*I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm suggesting the possibility of adopting an argument despite knowing it's wrong... just for the hell of it.

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BOOM

 

thats my point too

 

weve established that i dont argue with someone for the sake of it, ive got better things to do with my time

 

i come on here to discuss and debate

 

what kind of sad prick comes on here literally just to talk to someone?

 

Isn't discussion and talking to someone exactly the same thing?

 

however to insinuate i have asbergers, just because i argue against most folk on here, surely isnt right?

 

I didn't insinuate you had Asperger's... I came right out and asked you if you had been diagnosed.

 

As I said, I've used a board when one of the heavy posters, as in EVERY thread, was a sufferer. You modify your behaviour towards people based upon an understanding of the condition. I actually sat and read page after page on the condition just so I could get a handle on the guy who was arguing with practically every user on the board.

 

I didn't like him any better, I'm not that charitable, but I at least understood that simply not engaging his provocation (not that he necessarily saw it as provocation) was a better way to deal with him, rather than being outright cruel to the guy or getting involved in pointless arguments.

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i personally, would pity someone who "leaves their net personality at the door" once they log off here

 

who the hell is that sad, with that empty a life, that they come on here and act as someone else?

 

THATS someone with a problem, surely?

 

If that's not a rhetorical question then I suggest you take it up with tup.

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and from what youve seen of me, you think in every post i argue with everyone?

 

do you not think its likely that its just a case of most folk on here not being as knowledgeable on whatever the matter is, as me?

 

 

 

was just keen on your info

 

Do you honestly believe that? After all these years I still haven't figured you out, but I can state with 100% certainty that there are far, far smarter cookies on this site than you.

 

PS. That's not me calling you a mong, you have your creative and intelligent side that we have all enjoyed over the years. You do come out with some pretty bizarre arguments tho'.

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and from what youve seen of me, you think in every post i argue with everyone?

 

I didn't suggest YOU argue with everyone, nor did I suggest arguing with everyone was a manifestation of his condition. I said HE was arguing with everyone, but nor did I suggest arguing with everyone was a manifestation of his condition. He may well have simply been an argumentative cunt. It wasn't the quantity of arguing he did, it was his methodology that was a result of his Autism. Almost every response to him was 'That's not what I said' followed with a clarification, and subsequent clarifications, of what I actually had said. This wasn't limited to me, btw, before anyone thinks I'm just a vague cunt...

 

do you not think its likely that its just a case of most folk on here not being as knowledgeable on whatever the matter is, as me?

 

I don't know your level of knowledge on any subject whatsoever, nor do I know anyone else's level of knowledge on any subject whatsoever, so I'm afraid I can't comment on the likelyhood of you knowing any more about anything than anyone else. You might just be an argumentative cunt.... I don't know.

 

I mean, if you have a degree in a particular subject then it might be realistic to assume you have more knowledge on that subject that the majority of the other posters.

 

...but, again, don't know.

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I mean I haven't decided if you are also a 'constructed personality' such as Kelt describes Tup. If you were then I don't know if that would make you the smartest person on here or a total fruit loop.

 

I've a bit of a confession here... ach... never mind. Maybe later ;)

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someone actually said to me recently, guy i go to the gym with, that when i ask people something, i usually know the answer i want and i will manipulate the person im talking to and keep asking the question till they say what i want to hear

 

analyse that!

 

a) You hang about with people who will eventually just say what you want to hear, just to shut you up, you are that irritating.

b) You hang around with idiots that are led to an incorrect view point by your baffling logic.

c) You take a completely different approach to arguments in the "real world" that have logical thinking behind them

d) You are a trained hypnotist, but have yet to find out how to do this over the internet.

e) You're gym buddy wants to have man sex with you and thought this could work. He hoped that you would say "Do you want to have sex with me" and he'd say no. 5 minutes down the line, he'd say yes and you'd think this was due to your manipulation/persuasion skills when in fact it is him that actually manipulated you.

 

I'd say they are the 5 possible analyses of that rather poorly constructed sentence from you. Option E being most plausible...

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"showing my ignorance alert": is asbergers not the one where the people are actually really clever??

 

No. Well, not necessarily.

 

what you're thinking about is an associated condition called a Savant. Basically a savant is more or less unable to function in the real world, but also happens to be around genius level at a particular discipline.

 

I think Rain Man was supposed to be a savant. I've never seen the movie, but I believe that was the premise. Also known, formerly, as Idiot Savant, for obvious (if unPC) reasons.

 

a guy in my school had that. he was as smart as fuck in primary school, even though his reaction one day to a guy taking his jacket at play time by mistake, was to bite him on the wrist (not smart)

 

Autistics aren't stupid, they're simply not wired the same way. Personally I think it's a result of chemical imbalance, based upon a fuckload of research I did when my wife was pregnant. Autism has been connected to, but not limited to, the rise in the number of immunisations given to babies. We figured out that the hospital wanted to give our 7lb baby a total of 13 different immunisations in his first few months of life, and then a bunch more every year until he started school. Going into this research fresh I checked out both sides of the argument, and came to the conclusion that autism is very definitely caused (in part) by the number of immunisations they're given before they can even hold their own head up straight.

 

You look at the rise in the number of shots babies are given, then you look at the rise in autism over the same period and they almost exacltly match... and this isn't about football any more, so I'll stop right here.

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