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#241 OFFLINE   Slim

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Posted 17 July 2009 - 10:08 AM

This 'I didnae get a payrise so they shouldnae' attitude seems pretty prevalent in folks threads - pretty sure that the majority on here work for oil relelated companies, when oil prices are up and wage increases / bonuses are the norm does that mean the bus drivers get a pay increase / bonus in line with the majority of the city?, off course not as its a completely different market. (actually wouldnae surprise me if First have previously used the high fuel costs as a reason for increasing bus fares, decreasing wage increases in the past)

Same with this recession, unless theres mass redundancy in the city I would imagine that the amount of folk who actually use the buses wouldnae decrease - First are probably one of the few companies who are relatively secure in these credit crunching times, if fact it might even work in their advantage if folk decide that they cannae have the luxury of keeping their 2nd cars.

The reason they want to keep wages down is to keep profits up - its as simple as that.


It's not a case of they shouldn't get a payrise because no-one else is, it's more a case of they shouldn't strike to get a payrise when no-one else is getting payrises.
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Posted 17 July 2009 - 10:12 AM

Dinna use the bus but the moans I hear from folk who do are:

1. Too expensive
2. Not nearly reliable enough
3. Too many moaning drivers who view passengers as an inconvenience.

Can any users confirm any of this?

The fares are maybe expensive for some, the buses are reliable enough but the drivers on the whole are some of the most surly greetin faced twats you will meet anywhere, Ive worked all over Europe and find drivers there always willing to help, ask a driver in Aberdeen "does this bus go past somewhere ? " and you get a snappy answer for sure.
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Posted 17 July 2009 - 10:22 AM

The fares are maybe expensive for some, the buses are reliable enough but the drivers on the whole are some of the most surly greetin faced twats you will meet anywhere, Ive worked all over Europe and find drivers there always willing to help, ask a driver in Aberdeen "does this bus go past somewhere ? " and you get a snappy answer for sure.




In their defence, some drivers are decent people but there's a heck of a lot
who simply come across as resenting having to stop and pick up passengers.
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Posted 17 July 2009 - 11:28 AM

Dinna use the bus but the moans I hear from folk who do are:

1. Too expensive
2. Not nearly reliable enough
3. Too many moaning drivers who view passengers as an inconvenience.

Can any users confirm any of this?

1. Definitely
2. Seems timetables at certain times of day are impossible to keep and makes things shambles
3. Some yes but some are great
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Posted 17 July 2009 - 02:56 PM

One of the reasons that First is so successful is that they do not pander to unreasonable demands for wage increases. In the current climate with job layoffs, school leavers/graduates unable to find work and wage freezes across much of the private and public sector how can a 4% pay rise be deemed "an ideal and sensible solution", particularly as they had a rise last year as well and there is currently zero inflation, or even deflation, in the economy.

I don't begrudge anybody a sensible wage; howoever these bus drivers and their leaders, many of who have made thousands off the back of First Bus's success, have to realise that they don't work in the public sector anymore.



I do agree in these troubled times a more adult approach should be made by some of my fellow drivers when thousands are getting laid off and I for one am grateful I have a job, but the vote went for industrial action and as much as I dont want this I have to go with it as I wont cross a picket line and at the end of the day when this is over you still have to work with these guys.
I'm quite interested in your last quote where we have made thousands of First Bus success, I wonder how much millions First Bus have made at the expense of their staff and am not just talking about Aberdeen, remember it's the frontline staff who take in the money.
Somebody mentioned about affecting our pensions, pay cut,driving/working day etc well I have news for you guys our MD told our union rep that next year he is going to get these and it wont cost him a penny, so you heard it from me next year will be very interesting.
Do you remember all these years ago when our famous five directors who bought the company "For You" well these guys were able to buy millions of shares for 5p each and when floated on the stock market they started of at 1.40, unfortunately we could not buy any shares until they went at 1.40 so all staff at Aberdeen missed that chance, any shares we get now we have to buy them with our own money, so yes I have made thousands but invested with my own money just as I would expect if I invested in any company, anyway I've spent it years ago and now just keep my own cash.
I do feel sorry for the passengers as they do provide my wages, but First have been slowly cutting back on the bus services in Aberdeen over the years and really are only interested in profitable routes, they stopped the 20 service when students are not there but now only do it mon-fri 7am - 8pm but was told only after the University stepped in and gave them 1,200 a week subsidy to provide this service
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Posted 17 July 2009 - 09:21 PM

I do agree in these troubled times a more adult approach should be made by some of my fellow drivers when thousands are getting laid off and I for one am grateful I have a job, but the vote went for industrial action and as much as I dont want this I have to go with it as I wont cross a picket line and at the end of the day when this is over you still have to work with these guys.
I'm quite interested in your last quote where we have made thousands of First Bus success, I wonder how much millions First Bus have made at the expense of their staff and am not just talking about Aberdeen, remember it's the frontline staff who take in the money.
Somebody mentioned about affecting our pensions, pay cut,driving/working day etc well I have news for you guys our MD told our union rep that next year he is going to get these and it wont cost him a penny, so you heard it from me next year will be very interesting.
Do you remember all these years ago when our famous five directors who bought the company "For You" well these guys were able to buy millions of shares for 5p each and when floated on the stock market they started of at 1.40, unfortunately we could not buy any shares until they went at 1.40 so all staff at Aberdeen missed that chance, any shares we get now we have to buy them with our own money, so yes I have made thousands but invested with my own money just as I would expect if I invested in any company, anyway I've spent it years ago and now just keep my own cash.
I do feel sorry for the passengers as they do provide my wages, but First have been slowly cutting back on the bus services in Aberdeen over the years and really are only interested in profitable routes, they stopped the 20 service when students are not there but now only do it mon-fri 7am - 8pm but was told only after the University stepped in and gave them 1,200 a week subsidy to provide this service

I heard also that there is a new manager in from England who is a right pr!ick and first ever meeting totally had a go at everyone?? was brought in after George Mair was sacked? was that nae part of why the drivers were pissed off also? that they sacked him with a hefty pay off and large pension and the drivers then get offered f all
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Posted 10 April 2018 - 07:55 AM

 

Bosses at an Aberdeen bus firm say they are “extremely disappointed” that drivers have rejected a pay deal.

 
Unite the Union members were being balloted on the settlement, which was thrashed out with First Aberdeen following 10 days of strike action.
 
Of the 255 members balloted – an 80% turnout – 148 voted to reject the deal and 106 voted to accept.
 
Workers were asked to vote on the changes to contracts after a deal was struck in talks mediated by the Advisory, Conciliatory and Arbitration Service (ACAS).
 
The drivers’ decision means “indefinite” strike action could begin in the city as early as tomorrow.
 
David Phillips, operations director for First Aberdeen, described the vote outcome as “very concerning indeed”.
 
He said: “Firstly, we would like to begin by apologising to our customers for the ongoing disruption that further industrial action is likely to cause as we very much hoped to be getting our services back to normal.
 
“First Aberdeen are extremely disappointed by the news that Unite the Union members have voted to reject our final offer proposal on the revised terms and conditions.
 
“This agreement was reached with Unite the Union representatives via the ACAS collective conciliation talks, where management were extremely transparent about the precarious financial position that the company finds itself in.
 
“During these talks, we were absolutely clear that this was the best and final offer on the table despite the current reality of the situation facing the business in the city.
 
“We were willing to go to these extra lengths to get the city’s bus services back to normal and end the disruption, so to see this voted down via ballot is very concerning indeed.
 
“The company will now need to take some time to digest this result and to weigh up the next steps as the costs to the business and falling revenues we are currently enduring simply cannot be sustained.”
 
Willie Wallace, the full-time officer in Aberdeen’s Unite branch, said: “Our members have decided by a majority of three to two that the offer from First Bus was still not acceptable.
 
“We have to listen to that message.
 
“We’ve been in touch with First Bus, hopefully we can get back round the table as soon as. If that’s not the case, then the industrial action will resume tomorrow.”
 
Mr Wallace said more talks would take place before then and an agreement could be reached if people “focus on the issues in hand”.
 
When asked how he believed the public would respond, Mr Wallace said that they had always had a “sympathetic” response from customers, saying: “This action is not of our making, it’s based on First trying to impose changes on our members’ terms, and hopefully the public will understand that.
 
“Unite has been prepared to negotiate and make concessions. It’s not us who are unreasonable.
 
“It’s the intransigence of First Bus management which is, in effect, holding the people and businesses of Aberdeen to ransom.”

 

All out bus strike on Wed?


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#248 OFFLINE   Sooper-hanz

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Posted 10 April 2018 - 08:12 AM

Quite fancy driving a bus 🚌
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Posted 10 April 2018 - 08:15 AM

I think you’d have the qualities required Sooper
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#250 OFFLINE   Bad_Mobby

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Posted 10 April 2018 - 08:17 AM

Time to get the army in
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Posted 10 April 2018 - 08:56 AM

I think youd have the qualities required Sooper


Polish and short tempered with no sense of time or direction?
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