Aberdeen sack Derek McInnes

[shut up meg]

^^^^^

 

Valid points however there has been eye bleedingly bad football on show this season.

[Shinniesta]

Yeah, 4 points and 1 goal conceded in last 3 at Celtic park

 

Only lost 1 of last 5 against "rangers"

 

3rd in league, final of league cup and quarters so far of Scottish cup

 

Champion of state of the art training facilities ready next season and new stadium a few after that

 

Total regression

We've actually only lost 1 of the last 6 against "Rangers".

 

McInnes still doing a very decent job despite our recent poor home form. We really should be a lot closer to the huns but those recent home results against Hamilton and St Mirren have killed our chances of second place.

 

Our whole season comes down to Tuesday night.

[Betty Swallicks]

2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd......3rd at best this season.

 

Squad is poorer.

 

Wage bill is bigger.

 

Football is brutal.

 

REGRESSION.

[Donscanada]

2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd......3rd at best this season.

 

Squad is poorer.

 

Wage bill is bigger.

 

Football is brutal.

 

REGRESSION.

I think the question of regression is an interesting one.  Clearly the points are down from previous season. I think injuries played a huge part this year; the back 4 between injuries and suspensions has been a revolving door all year.  I personally think the starting XI might be even stronger than last year and certainly they have played a more interesting  brand of attacking football compared to last year horrible long ball.  More importantly youth was given a chance to thrive this year with strong performances from Cosgrove, Ferguson, Lowe (on loan), McLennan and lesser extent Anderson and Campbell (maybe Wright on Dundee loan as well).  Not sure the payroll was much higher as they let go Rooney and McLean and added a lot of academy players to the roster this year.  

 

The other unusual aspect is they have become a very streaky club. Horrible start but an incredible Dec run. Now weak home performances and strong road club. Held their own with Old Firm but have lost more points to the bottom 6. 

[Shinniesta]

2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd......3rd at best this season.

 

Squad is poorer.

 

Wage bill is bigger.

 

Football is brutal.

 

REGRESSION.

You're crazy if you think we will just continue to finish above Sevco every single year. Have you not watched Scottish football closely since 1987? That's not to say we can't sometimes still finish above them but it's clearly not going to happen every year. Sevco have spent a fortune their squad is massive compared to ours. We've been badly hit by injuries this season which has had an impact.

 

We have just been more inconsistent against the smaller teams this season which is unlike us under DM. But we have without doubt improved in the big games our mentality is far stronger now compared to last season pre split. 2 score draws over 90 minutes against an EPL side, 1 (very controversial) defeat in our last 6 against Sevco and in our last 5 games against Celtic (4 of which have been in Glasgow) there has not been more than a single goal in any of those games (3 defeats, 1 win and 1 draw 4 goals scored 6 conceded).

 

When you think of some of the thumpings Celtic have dished out to others this season we've managed to be very competitive against them. But at the end of the day they have an annual wage bill of around £50m+ and Sevco's will be minimum 3x what ours is. That's the reality of what we're up against.

[strachanmcgheegoal]

That’s why I never understood the other clubs approach to the huns demise. We had their throat under our foot and could have gone some way to address this imbalance. Instead we wouldn’t countenance any discussion on doing it any other way. Ok I get the arguement that somebody somewhere has decided there isn’t another viable way. Ok fine, so don’t bust our balls if half the crowd can no longer be arsed.

[fine-n-dandy]

I don't think we have regressed at all. Just that the competition has begun to improve back to a more normal expectation.

 

We have sauntered along at a blatantly average consistency. Up to now that average was easily enough to stay 'best of the rest' but we need to improve on it to continue that consistency. McInnes hasn't shown any signs of being the one to improve us more than to the level he has. That isn't a put down. It's simple (maybe seems) harsh but truth imo.

 

Now would be a great time to finally move him on if possible & still get some combo for him.

Third time lucky & all that. He can sneak away & jump ship before we 'potentially' fail to get a guaranteed Europa place.

 

Doubt he would go though, similar to Sunderland offer. He would know he would be moving from a 100% secure job to basically a week by week judgment job at risk of being binned

[KidCreole]

https://thisisfutbol.com/2019/03/blogs/mcinnes-interested-in-west-brom-job/

 

Off to west brom perhaps

[Ten Caat]

There's no doubt he would crawl on hands and knees through broken glass and barbed wire to get a whiff of the West Bromwich gig. Last I looked he was about 7th or 8th favourite with the bookie and that's sadly a reflection on just how shit Scottish football is regarded down south. 30 years ago he would probably have been a shoe in for the job but now out with Celtic, we are viewed as a backwater. Best McInnes can hope for is an EFL1 side or at best, a Championship side facing relegation ( wouldn't surprise me to see Lambert punted once Ipswich are confirmed relegated....he could be in with a shout for that job).

[Shinniesta]

I don't think he'll get offered the West Brom job. Moore was a bigger hero at West Brom than McInnes ever was and they've just ruthlessly sacked him despite them being 4th and in the play off places. Shows how cut throat it is down there.

 

They'll be looking at a bigger name than McInnes. They are a club that got used to being an EPL side. I doubt they will see McInnes as the man to take them straight back to the EPL and keep them there former captain or not.

[KidCreole]

I doubt he would leave for such a risky position where he would be punted as soon as the results dont go his way, I think he will go somewhere low risk as he wont get another crack down south if he fails this time round and west brom will expect a lot in a short space of time.

[Shinniesta]

I doubt he would leave for such a risky position where he would be punted as soon as the results dont go his way, I think he will go somewhere low risk as he wont get another crack down south if he fails this time round and west brom will expect a lot in a short space of time.

I agree. He must look at it and think if they are punting a former hero and captain in Moore for being in the top 4 with only 10 games to go then what would happen to him as soon as a few results went against him. Exactly the same is the answer. West Brom have far different expectations now compared to when he played for them.

[TheRock]

But on the other hand, what's a safe job? Every job in England is going to come with it's dangers. If he doesn't fancy trying to take over a club sitting fourth in the Championship with a genuine shot and playing in the Premier League only a few months from now, the what does he actually want to do? In terms of jobs outside of the Premier League, this is as good as it gets

 

On the other hand, jobs at clubs at the right end of the league don't come up that often so I think this will definitely appeal to plenty of other managers, up and comers and well as all those 'merry go round' ones so he'll have plenty of competition, I would imagine.

 

I think we might underestimate McInnes' reputation. If you're a chairman in the English leagues, you haven't gone to the matches and sat through some pretty brutal football or feel the frustration of missed opportunities or feel like he lined up too defensively against Sevco sometimes. They'll just see the consistent top 2 places and a load of cup finals.

 

If I had to predict, I don't think he'll end up there but I definitely think he'd want it and I think he's a decent chance he'll be under heavy consideration.

[Shinniesta]

I think West Brom will be thinking that they've now tried the former player and hero route and it hasn't worked. Their aspirations are EPL and to stay there that's what they got used to. I think they will want a tried and tested EPL level manager or a foreigner with an emerging reputation. Not saying that policy is right but that's how it generally seems to work down there.

[aberdeen1970]

I doubt he would leave for such a risky position where he would be punted as soon as the results dont go his way, I think he will go somewhere low risk as he wont get another crack down south if he fails this time round and west brom will expect a lot in a short space of time.

Most jobs championship level up in England are cut throat these days due to the money involved.

[KidCreole]

Most jobs championship level up in England are cut throat these days due to the money involved.

Indeed, It would be good for us to get a few quid for him and for him to leave amicably, The way things are going its more likely to be a slow decline and us paying him off 

[TheRock]

I dunno. They've tried Darren Moore and it (arguably) didn't work. I don't think that rules out them out of the 'former player' route in the future.

 

And also, I think there's a difference here. McInnes' name would probably be mentioned regardless. He does get linked with pretty much every job in England outside the Premier League (even if it's just bookmakers filling out their list of names). The fact he used to play for them and is (we're told) still well regarded by the fans is just a bonus.

 

BTW I'm not really arguing so much that West Brom will want him (I doubt he'll be close to first choice), I'm more arguing that he would definitely want it. He's shown before that he won't just take the first job with a pay rise that comes his way but how picky can he be? This represents a great opportunity if you're a manager who wants to 'make it' in England, for whatever reason.

[aberdeen1970]

Milne will never pay him off.

 

He's the ideal manager for a board planning to move to a new stadium. Steady and consistent

[KidCreole]

I dunno. They've tried Darren Moore and it (arguably) didn't work. I don't think that rules out them out of the 'former player' route in the future.

 

And also, I think there's a difference here. McInnes' name would probably be mentioned regardless. He does get linked with pretty much every job in England outside the Premier League (even if it's just bookmakers filling out their list of names). The fact he used to play for them and is (we're told) still well regarded by the fans is just a bonus.

 

BTW I'm not really arguing so much that West Brom will want him (I doubt he'll be close to first choice), I'm more arguing that he would definitely want it. He's shown before that he won't just take the first job with a pay rise that comes his way but how picky can he be? This represents a great opportunity if you're a manager who wants to 'make it' in England, for whatever reason.

Yeah I fear the bookies play a huge role in speculation, There grubby paw prints can be found all to often 

[aberdeen1970]

I brought up the McInnes links to West Brom last time around but I didn't know at the time that the club had been sold and those now involved have no links back to Mcinnes' days at the club.

 

I think it will be a big name, probably all agreed already before they let Moore leave when he's sitting in 4th with a good chance of the playoffs

[caledonia]

I hope he goes as he is far to negative and its all about stopping the other team rather than what we can do..

[Guest milne_afc]

Getting pumped at home by Hamilton seems like a very long time ago.

[Yorston Vasey]

Has he been a serious contender for any other vacancies during his time with us? There was brief chat about Stoke, but they filled that very quickly so it's unlikely that was serious.

 

Only other concrete opportunities have come about because of hun links - Sunderland, with Martin Bain (ex hun), and of course the New Huns.

[Poodler]

Getting pumped at home by Hamilton seems like a very long time ago.

Comment of the week

 

(Potential thread @@Sooper-hanz

[super_al]

West Brom have made an approach to the ex Fulham boss. Alex Neil and the former Hundersfield manager are also being considered. No mention of DM.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/03/10/west-brom-continue-talks-slavisa-jokanovic-former-fulham-manager/

[strachanmcgheegoal]

That English failed manager merry go round is a thing of wonder. It’ll be like our stonehenge in centuries to come where people gaze in wondrous admiration thinking why the fuck would you do that.

 

Bit like kingsford.

[Torry Tosser]

Deek has no chance of getting it.

He's had one go in that league at Bristol City,and their fans said worst they ever had...Negative football.

[NEM]

That’s why I never understood the other clubs approach to the huns demise. We had their throat under our foot and could have gone some way to address this imbalance. Instead we wouldn’t countenance any discussion on doing it any other way. Ok I get the arguement that somebody somewhere has decided there isn’t another viable way. Ok fine, so don’t bust our balls if half the crowd can no longer be arsed.

 

 

Probably Milnes most shameful act as chairman, in a long list of shameful acts.

[redone]

Has he been a serious contender for any other vacancies during his time with us? There was brief chat about Stoke, but they filled that very quickly so it's unlikely that was serious.

 

Only other concrete opportunities have come about because of hun links - Sunderland, with Martin Bain (ex hun), and of course the New Huns.

 

If Sunderland don't get promoted this season , I woudn't be surprised if Jack Ross gets the dunt. And if that happened , I wonder if Sunderland would approach McInnes again.  I think it's maybe a different set-up entirely there now , and not the same financial basket case it was when McInnes knocked them back , so he'd maybe go ths time.

 

And then we could get Jack Ross

[BWG]

I'm amazed he's not been sacked already.  3rd in that league with the resources Sunderland have is criminal really.