Afc: Opinion On League Reconstruction

[roosterbooster]

Scottish fitba am done !! The most silly thing is why is 11-1 vote still in Place am done rangers Celtic it's ran for 2 teams, good on Milne to express his disgust hopefully Yule does the same,,, over and out Scottish football

[K-9]

 

 

Why suggest 12 12 18 then and not just vote on the other issues

It doesnt matter really what the league structure was we needed it changed and thats it

 

The structure especially at the end today meant that if 12 12 18 was a complete dogs breakfast after 3 years their was a simpler MUCH SIMPLER mechanism in place to see it changed.

 

Are we in trouble was asked before - yes "we" are as in Scottish football as a whole. We constantly talk our game down rangers and celtic are the biggest problem in this constantly wanting to leave scottish football, and now when we need change we cant organise ourselves. Scottish football could be on the brink of a "civil war" (I dont think Milne will be sending a postcard to Gilmour and the 11th of May will be an interesting day to say the least )

 

Would you want to be a sponser as scottish football implodes - would you want the TV rights to it?

 

That's why "we" are in trouble the implications for scottish football are horrendous imo - clubs will go to the wall based on this 1st division especially watch clubs go part time in the 1st and lower SPL very very quickly in months I would say

 

This wasnt about 12 12 18 it was about making a change - from that we could have changed again now we cant even do the first change

 

 

What else works?

 

People say go 14 - 14 needs a split as well so thats not much good

 

go 16 where's the money come from

 

At the moment we have a finite amount of money - we will still have the same amout - if we have to split x pounds amongst 12 now the winner of Div 1 gets £60000 if we go 14 or 16 teams x pounds is now divided by 14 or 16 so Div 1 champions will get an even smaller part of the pie

 

14 or 16 is no good

 

10 is possible in my opinion but that means losing THREE teams - no way will 3 teams vote for a 10 team league

 

So to get money moving down the leagues we need to stick with 12

 

So thats why it has to be a 12 team top league

 

what about play offs yes we could do that but its a little like rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic

 

same with pyramid structure

 

so how about 1 governing body

 

why would a SFL tea go to one body for now money? and the SPL wont give money without a reorganisation

 

This aint a pick and mix its order the 3 course buffet or go hungry im afraid

Why does it have to be?

 

Why can't first stage be to merge the bodies and spread the cash, then take things in bits and change them for the good. And why the rush to have it done now with 3 weeks of season left? What exactly is the massive thing that has to go through now to "save" Scottish football?

[K-9]

Scottish fitba am done !! The most silly thing is why is 11-1 vote still in Place am done rangers Celtic it's ran for 2 teams, good on Milne to express his disgust hopefully Yule does the same,,, over and out Scottish football

Erm it was Milne who teamed up with Celtic to stop the 11-1 vote being changed.

[Redstar]

What is so wrong with leaving it the way it is?...any change leaves the hun with a quicker way back...we know we have 2 years to get our act together ...do we have an ambitious manager to bring the club out of the malaise...or...do we have a plant to keep AFC bottom 6 till the hun return?

[caledonia]

the end game for the sfa/spl/milne and the rest is getting closer

that is to shoe horn the huns up the leagues

 

its also interesting that the championship/first division would have got much more money for 3 years was it - yes exactly the amount of time the huns would spend getting up that leagues

 

Donchaster - shit we have to give another team more money this year as the old firm cant finish in the top two

Regan - no problem we will have a vote and take the money away and give it to whoever wins the other divisions for 3 years

Donchaster - but that will be the rangers

Regan -

[caledonia]

By the way the only way the vote on 11:1 was not passed was that Milne thought there was a chance of us getting in the top two (ha ha)

now he has fucked that up as well

[madjockmcferson]

Really, what needs to happen is a mass of mergers. Make it a 12 team top division and thats it. No Div 1, 2, 3. Share all revenues ala American sports. Its the only way. No promotion, no demotion. Make it 2 leagues of 6, with the top two qualifing for playoffs or something.

[roosterbooster]

 

Scottish fitba am done !! The most silly thing is why is 11-1 vote still in Place am done rangers Celtic it's ran for 2 teams, good on Milne to express his disgust hopefully Yule does the same,,, over and out Scottish football

Erm it was Milne who teamed up with Celtic to stop the 11-1 vote being changed.

Erm u sure don't take in everything u read in the EE and daily ranger

[roosterbooster]

2 leagues of 12 or 14 tops it's the most Scotland can sustain, regionalise the rest.. It's pretty simple said it for near 10 years now

[caledonia]

 

Milne added, “St Mirren FC have really got to pose themselves the question qhy are they prepared to put Scottish football in jeopardy for their own selfish interests, which they have been unable to do today.”

Some people have a belief that there will now be an invitation-only SPL II with Newco being invited. I can tell you with absolute certainty this will not happen. There will be no Newco in the second tier of Scottish football next season.

Instead what has happened is attitudes have hardened against such moves. It would not be at all surprising if 10 SPL clubs declined tickets for their visits to St Mirren Park next season – the anger is that serious. The status quo will be maintained, St Mirren have lost enormous goodwill above and below them, First Division clubs have failed to secure a significant boost in income and the SPL will get on with business.

All of which brings us back to Stuart Milne’s question, what is St Mirren’s real agenda? I know fine well what it is, but they have not damaged Celtic, they have not assisted Newco in any way and the poor St Mirren fans will inherit the collateral damage.

[madjockmcferson]

2 leagues of 12 or 14 tops it's the most Scotland can sustain, regionalise the rest.. It's pretty simple said it for near 10 years now

 

Name the 24 or 28 teams that "Scotland can sustain?". There aren't that many. Perhaps 10 or 12 at most. I agree with regionalising the rest but, for me, that would be everyone outside of the SPHell.....and probably id merge ross cunty and ICT.

[K-9]

 

 

Scottish fitba am done !! The most silly thing is why is 11-1 vote still in Place am done rangers Celtic it's ran for 2 teams, good on Milne to express his disgust hopefully Yule does the same,,, over and out Scottish football

Erm it was Milne who teamed up with Celtic to stop the 11-1 vote being changed.

Erm u sure don't take in everything u read in the EE and daily ranger

Yup - sure

[swifty]

 

Milne can lick my sweaty nut sack.

He should stop to consider how to run his own fitba club before trying to be the saviour of Scottish fitba.

Look at how Roy MacGregor has built up Ross County (they actually have purpose built training facilities), I'd side with him every time over a fanny like Milne.

They also have about 8 squillion square meters of fields around their stadium. I have used the county facilities and they are nothing special I can tell you.

County will be back down where they belong soon enough and may well rue this decision.

Who do you think is more capable of running a football club, Stewart Milne or Roy MacGregor?

 

The evidence of the last 15 years shows a clear winner, and it ain't Milne.

[brownie]

Well the way things are being run in Scottish football a bit of natural selection will be no bad thing. If you can't afford to run your club then go to the wall, or merge with other clubs.

 

3 Football organisations - ridiculous

42 league teams - ridiculous

Lack of leadership or vision - ridiculous

 

Fuds the lot of em...

 

No one knows what they're doing.

 

Spot on.

[K-9]

Start off with rules stating clubs can not spend more than they earn - reckon that would be best starting point in saving Scottish football.

[baconman]

 

Scottish fitba am done !! The most silly thing is why is 11-1 vote still in Place am done rangers Celtic it's ran for 2 teams, good on Milne to express his disgust hopefully Yule does the same,,, over and out Scottish football

Erm it was Milne who teamed up with Celtic to stop the 11-1 vote being changed.

You really coundnt make this up milne is a complete donkey! If only he had gone along with the new 9-3 vote system then this proposal would gave gone thru.

Personally I am glad st mirren threw in a grenade. Scottish fitba in its current form needs to die and start again. No SPL, SFL and a new SFA controlling the lot.

[Pudgie]

Start off with rules stating clubs can not spend more than they earn - reckon that would be best starting point in saving Scottish football.

 

Great idea. Even if the debts stay as they are, it would be a great idea to get teams self sufficient again. 2 years transition period and just deal with it. If you don't, instant membership termination.

[RUL]

So if st mirren are plastic huns does that make aberdeen plastic tims?

 

I thought the league proposal was shite, rightly rejected.

 

They then offered to change the voting structure, to force through the change to the league that nobody wanted? Ross County consulted their fans and they are blameless. Aberdeen etc consulted no fucker, they didn't give a shit what we thought.

[madjockmcferson]

 

Start off with rules stating clubs can not spend more than they earn - reckon that would be best starting point in saving Scottish football.

 

Great idea. Even if the debts stay as they are, it would be a great idea to get teams self sufficient again. 2 years transition period and just deal with it. If you don't, instant membership termination.

This is essentially what we have been trying to do for 20 yrs. The whole reason our UEFA cup team was disbanded was cos of cost. We have been living with-in our means - ie financing our interest whilst our financial backers have been reducing their contributions (not unreasonably) - and we have been shite, where-as teams such as Murderwell can go into administration and get their debt cleared....and shithole teams like ICT and Ross Cunty can achieve 'great' things, not because they are any good, but because they dont have as much historic debt.

 

If everyone else in the SPHell had been trying to reduce their debt or the liability their backers face then we wouldn't be in such a shitty position.

[roosterbooster]

 

 

 

Scottish fitba am done !! The most silly thing is why is 11-1 vote still in Place am done rangers Celtic it's ran for 2 teams, good on Milne to express his disgust hopefully Yule does the same,,, over and out Scottish football

Erm it was Milne who teamed up with Celtic to stop the 11-1 vote being changed.

Erm u sure don't take in everything u read in the EE and daily ranger

Yup - sure

 

my bad, how could he agree to keep the 11-1 voting structre, a ridiculous draconian setup.

[vanderark14]

I see the huns released a statement immediately after the vote failed. they have a very loud voice for a team without a vote, anyone would think they had an agenda eh?

 

anyway I might be on my own here but I believe st mirren and ross county have made a mistake here. The set up was not ideal but to somehow have all 12 clubs agree on something at the beginning of this is a fucking miracle. I was willing to give the new set up a chance. To start with I thought why do they need to keep certain aspects like the 11-1 vote but it was only going to be used to protect certain things like gate money. In the end Celtic proposed a 9-3 vote and st mirren still voted against it so Gilmour needs to come out now and tell everyone why he went on and on about the 'big ticket' being the 11-1 vote in the first place.

 

Milne got one thing right - st mirren and ross county have acted in self interest. The current setup protects them more from the threat of relegation so they want to keep it and plod along BUT Milne fucked up by siding with the 11-1 vote last year which has ultimately been his downfall yesterday. Its hard to trust a man that seen the downfall of our own club.

 

As for Doncaster, again I might be on my own here but he was also right to a certain degree. The new proposals saw everyone sacrifice something, whether it be cash or an easier chance of avoiding relegation. He admitted the fans did not vote for 12-12-18 but of those that did vote a 16 team league - how many go each week?. I initially wanted it and voted for it and I only went to 6 games this season, I've since changed my mind and realised our league can't support 16 teams without some sort of split which is what the fans don't want. If Doncaster were more upfront with his answers then he'd get an easier ride of it but where I think he had it spot on was when he talked about cherry picking the best parts. As soon as a club does this it means other clubs feel they are sacrificing more than others and you hit a brick wall.

 

In the end they all finally agreed on something and two clubs then backed out - they need to explain why

[RUL]

Ross county already explained, their fans thought the structure was a joke.

[Poodler]

SSN at hampden said sources in the room say that The Rangers were being accused of tapping up St Mirren. The rangers releasing that statement are on the wind up min, they are mickey mouse

[Huntlysheep]

What worried me was Stewart Milne greeting so much, just hope we're nae in trouble?

[Dynamo]

What worried me was Stewart Milne greeting so much, just hope we're nae in trouble?

 

If we are we are, we'll get through it.

[Tommy]

Can't get my head round why Ross County fans decided they didn't want this to proceed.

They could just as easily finish bottom next season.

I want the paisley huns to finish bottom though.

[Huntlysheep]

Can't get my head round why Ross County fans decided they didn't want this to proceed.

They could just as easily finish bottom next season.

I want the paisley huns to finish bottom though.

I want the Paisley Huns to go bust.

[Dynamo]

Either one of St Mirren or Ross County will more than likely go down next season. St Mirren are long overdue a relegation.

[RTYD]

It doesnt matter really what the league structure was we needed it changed and thats it

 

The structure especially at the end today meant that if 12 12 18 was a complete dogs breakfast after 3 years their was a simpler MUCH SIMPLER mechanism in place to see it changed.

 

Are we in trouble was asked before - yes "we" are as in Scottish football as a whole. We constantly talk our game down rangers and celtic are the biggest problem in this constantly wanting to leave scottish football, and now when we need change we cant organise ourselves. Scottish football could be on the brink of a "civil war" (I dont think Milne will be sending a postcard to Gilmour and the 11th of May will be an interesting day to say the least )

 

Would you want to be a sponser as scottish football implodes - would you want the TV rights to it?

 

That's why "we" are in trouble the implications for scottish football are horrendous imo - clubs will go to the wall based on this 1st division especially watch clubs go part time in the 1st and lower SPL very very quickly in months I would say

 

This wasnt about 12 12 18 it was about making a change - from that we could have changed again now we cant even do the first change

Not bad Bamber.

 

If any clubs go to the wall then it will firstly be SFL clubs, because the 12-12-18 structure would have seen significant sums of money from the SPL to the SFL. That cash will now stay in the SPL. Albeit it may be less cash overall as the SPL Board seemed to think that the new structure would see more cash coming in.

 

I think Milne genuinely has at heart the future of the game. Last week he said that his own club this season could have been in trouble with the new structure but that he could not let self preservation get in the way of progress.

 

As things stand NONE of us fans know what this whole deal was and I would love to see the detail of it. We get calls for 14-14-14. What is so attractive about that?

 

St Mirren should just give a statement telling us why they said no, when Gilmour was actually one of the chief architects of this plan having been on the steering committee and being committed to it as recently as January. If he continues to say nothing then the conspiracy theories will continue to grow arms and legs.

 

I hear that an associate member of the SFA down Govan way has been bumping its gums. It should shut the fuck up and be grateful the rules were broken to let it into league football.

[RTYD]

 

 

 

 

Scottish fitba am done !! The most silly thing is why is 11-1 vote still in Place am done rangers Celtic it's ran for 2 teams, good on Milne to express his disgust hopefully Yule does the same,,, over and out Scottish football

Erm it was Milne who teamed up with Celtic to stop the 11-1 vote being changed.

Erm u sure don't take in everything u read in the EE and daily ranger

Yup - sure

 

my bad, how could he agree to keep the 11-1 voting structre, a ridiculous draconian setup.

Part of the reason was to protect Pittodrie ticket receipts since the wee clubs would vote to have gate receipts split, so we get a share of Kilmarnock's gate and they get a share of ours. He was spot on. When I buy my season ticket I don't want any of my cash going to another club. I also don't see why my club should get a share of Celtic's home gate. Why should Celtic subsidise my club?