Scottish Independence Referendum 2

[The Boofon]

nearest union bank branch

Fake news. Taken from front. March three deep at best.

[Fridge]

I was in town, there was more than a 100 but 12000? Wholly fuck that is outrageous bullshit!

[eeps]

 

Please note everything I say is true and will back up with facts. I don't really give a fuck about indy now, I'm doing fine and if we have decided to be a nation of selfish greedy fucks I'll make sure I do ok. Just can't stand the same cunts making up lies and repeating the bullshit of the media.

Aye OK, everything you say is true,everyone you disagree with is lying.

[The Boofon]

I was in town, there was more than a 100 but 12000? Wholly fuck that is outrageous bullshit!

120?

[eeps]

120?

And a wee ginger dug.

[Redforever86]

Also I gather you've heard of the Barnett formula? Indy Scotland would have a massive deficit requiring massive austerity measures, we would also have greatly reduced tax revenues. Fair enough if you just want to do it anyway but seems a bit daft to me, particularly when you want to immediately join EU and give up fishing rights among other things. Economic forecasts within the white paper were all based on oil revenues and we have subsequently learned how misguided that was.

 

SERIOUSLY YOU KNOW FUCK ALL SO JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP.

 

If any "swing voter" wants me to disprove all of the above let me know, not wasting my time with this berk.

[The Boofon]

And a wee ginger dug.

Don’t engage with me you cretin.

[Redforever86]

Aye OK, everything you say is true,everyone you disagree with is lying.

 

More than 18 people immigrated to Japan. 

 

TRUE.

[Fridge]

120?

135 I’d say. Must have been using the Celtic Lisbon calculator.

[eeps]

More than 18 people immigrated to Japan.

 

TRUE.

I agree , as noted above I've read that from 2012 applications or something, I apologise. However the broader point remains that Japan has one of the lowest levels of immigration in the world, that does not then mean that Japanese govt are racist. The question is of how best to manage immigration and what has been the impact overall of greatly increased immigration to the UK, I don't know the answer but I don't think opening borders us a good idea.

[eeps]

Don’t engage with me you cretin.

 

 

I'm not engaging with you

[Redforever86]

I agree , as noted above I've read that from 2012 applications or something, I apologise. However the broader point remains that Japan has one of the lowest levels of immigration in the world, that does not then mean that Japanese govt are racist. The question is of how best to manage immigration and what has been the impact overall of greatly increased immigration to the UK, I don't know the answer but I don't think opening borders us a good idea.

 

Ok there is 2 points here. 

 

The Japanese are racist. They'd probably quite happily admit this. 

 

Secondly, look at Japan's economy, deflation, global electronics firms being bypassed by South Korea and now China, countryside villages struggling to survive with depopulation. If EVER there was an argument that immigration is good, Japan is the big shining example saying we really need to stop being racist and allow in more foreigners. 

[eeps]

 

 

Secondly, look at Japan's economy, deflation, global electronics firms being bypassed by South Korea and now China, countryside villages struggling to survive with depopulation. If EVER there was an argument that immigration is good, Japan is the big shining example saying we really need to stop being racist and allow in more foreigners.

I agree, however if there is unmanaged immigration there are implications beyond the economy. Namely cultural, that is places change. London a good example completely different place now than it was a few years ago. Some people love the change to a culturally mixed city others feel alienated by it. It's a hard balance to find.

[Guest milne_afc]

Ok there is 2 points here.

 

The Japanese are racist. They'd probably quite happily admit this.

 

 

Good proud racists.

Unlike the British cunts who are massively offended when met with such accusations. They do however love to wank off the army.

[Redforever86]

I agree, however if there is unmanaged immigration there are implications beyond the economy. Namely cultural, that is places change. London a good example completely different place now than it was a few years ago. Some people love the change to a culturally mixed city others feel alienated by it. It's a hard balance to find.

 

This isn't my opinion but from the anti-immigrant point of view...

 

 

Are we better staying part of the very multicultural UK, where Russian, Arab, any millionaire can buy themselves access to the country and become part of the shareholding elite which makes all the profits, and slowly changes the UK culture. Also where "English" people in the SE can sell their house and cheaply move/retire to Scotland. 

 

Or are we better being independent and then "closing" our own border before it's too late?

[maryhilldon]

 

 

Also I gather you've heard of the Barnett formula? Indy Scotland would have a massive deficit requiring massive austerity measures, we would also have greatly reduced tax revenues.

Maybe 5 or 6 decades of mismanagement from Westminster, decimation of all our heavy industry and manufacturing, has left us relying on financial services in London?

[ddia]

Not sure of the final number at the march in Union Street.

 

Impressive amount. Led by the Bikers, then the people filled Union Street from one end to the other while still feeding in from Holburn Street. 

 

Must have been close to 5 figures if not over. Small band of Union Jack wavers opposite the end of Market Street, the average age of them must have been around 76. Hopefully they die soon.

[Redforever86]

Maybe 5 or 6 decades of mismanagement from Westminster, decimation of all our heavy industry and manufacturing, has left us relying on financial services in London?

 

Don't believe that shite min. It's a myth. 

 

It doesn't include corporation tax, VAT, North Sea revenues, doesn't account for a bias in spending on "National" benefits across different countries. Ie pay 50,000 extra soldiers in England for the good of the UK, but the only local economy it boosts is down in Wooton Basset or some gayhole.

[Jocky Balboa]

Fridge,

 

As someone who lives in (Northern) Ireland and married to an Irishwoman, I can confirm RedForever is bang on the money. Eire's economy trounces many European economies, especially the North, which is even more stark when you consider the shoe was very much on the other foot a century ago at the time of partition.

 

What the UK establishment don't tell you, is that they partitioned along the lines they did (Ulster is actually 9 counties, not 6) for a reason other than the Protestant majority. There was financial motivation. Belfast was the first city of Ireland and the 6 counties were a major industrial powerhouse, while the South merely had beer, biscuits (Jacobs and Guinness) and a moderate agricultural sector. Since joining the Common Market in 1973, the tide turned massively. Greater Dublin has two and a half times the population of Belfast's metropolitan area today and every multinational worth its salt is in the Republic. Wages are very high (a Sparkie or Plumber doesn't get out of bed for less than 30 Euros an hour in any of the cities) and despite the flaws (mediocre healthcare, for such a wealthy country, property bubble, etc.) it prospers far more as an independent country than it ever did under Westminster rule. The North, on the other hand, is a parochial backwater that flounders, despite over two decades of peace. I for one can't wait to get out of it, but it is a good snapshot of the UK's terminal decline.

[Redforever86]

What 99% of people on both sides of the Indy argument fail to understand is what has happened in the past, and is happening now, and will happen in the next 5/10 years is completely insignificant. 

 

The world is changing at an ever greater pace, some of it positive, some of it negative. 

 

Do you want to be a small nimble country that can make and implement quick decisions or do you want to be part of a large country, invested in protecting the interests of a few with an antiquated system of politics not fit for the present let alone future world?

[Redforever86]

Fridge,

 

As someone who lives in (Northern) Ireland and married to an Irishwoman, I can confirm RedForever is bang on the money. Eire's economy trounces many European economies, especially the North, which is even more stark when you consider the shoe was very much on the other foot a century ago at the time of partition.

 

What the UK establishment don't tell you, is that they partitioned along the lines they did (Ulster is actually 9 counties, not 6) for a reason other than the Protestant majority. There was financial motivation. Belfast was the first city of Ireland and the 6 counties were a major industrial powerhouse, while the South merely had beer, biscuits (Jacobs and Guinness) and a moderate agricultural sector. Since joining the Common Market in 1973, the tide turned massively. Greater Dublin has two and a half times the population of Belfast's metropolitan area today and every multinational worth its salt is in the Republic. Wages are very high (a Sparkie or Plumber doesn't get out of bed for less than 30 Euros an hour in any of the cities) and despite the flaws (mediocre healthcare, for such a wealthy country, property bubble, etc.) it prospers far more as an independent country than it ever did under Westminster rule. The North, on the other hand, is a parochial backwater that flounders, despite over two decades of peace. I for one can't wait to get out of it, but it is a good snapshot of the UK's terminal decline.

 

 

Don't forget the fact that the UK subsidises NI too...

[Jocky Balboa]

Don't forget the fact that the UK subsidises NI too...

Exactly, to the tune of £9BN a year (nearer 10, after May's deal with Western Europe's equivalent of the Ku Klux Klan) which, for a small statelet with only 1.8m a mere third of Scotland's, is absolutely shocking. Wales has suffered similar decline and has little way out of it.

[manboobs109]

Not sure of the final number at the march in Union Street.

 

Impressive amount. Led by the Bikers, then the people filled Union Street from one end to the other while still feeding in from Holburn Street.

 

Must have been close to 5 figures if not over. Small band of Union Jack wavers opposite the end of Market Street, the average age of them must have been around 76. Hopefully they die soon.

Defo Rumpus. Case closed.

[Redforever86]

Defo Rumpus. Case closed.

 

Was it Poodler who shagged his Wife?

[maryhilldon]

The only part of the UK that's thriving is the SE of England. This is no coincidence, that's where all the investment goes. Large parts of Scotland, North England and Wales are total shit holes.

[Redforever86]

The only part of the UK that's thriving is the SE of England. This is no coincidence, that's where all the investment goes. Large parts of Scotland, North England and Wales are total shit holes.

 

Aberdeen is still doing ok in the scheme of things, Edinburgh doing well, Dundee getting better, highlands are ok. Glasgow, Fife, Ayrshire etc pretty dismal, but we are more of a mixed bag than England /Wales which is London and the SE doing well, Manchester maybe ok and the rest terrible. 

[ddia]

Was it Poodler who shagged his Wife?

 

 

He'd be shagging his wife while dreaming about his brother.

[Poodler]

You're welcome out for a line Ddia

 

I'm city centre

 

I don't deal in limp handshakes like Rumpus though

[Fridge]

 

The Seville calculator you mean[/quote

 

Correct @cans

[Guest milne_afc]

Wet lettuce bentshot with a limp Wristed handshake, wasn't it?