dave_min Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Some folk are so bitter. Eoin Jess left for Coventry over 20 years ago, now what relevance does that have in 2017? Fuck knows, you're the one that brought it up. Link to comment
S2RDS Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 The trouble with selling or losing those players is replacing them. Dundee Utd are a prime example of what not to do when selling players. they sold their best, pocketed decent cash and then didnt replace them, ultimately leading to their relegation. Mr Milne will be very reluctant to just hand over cash to DM to spend on replacements and I dont have the confidence that Derek could replace those players with similar or better quality. Some his signings havent been brilliant over the years and my fear would be replacing said players with utter drivel. That said, football these days is about buying and selling and no player has an affiliation with the club they play for anymore. It all comes down to whether we believe that both club and manager have the ability to replace those players with adequate quality. Replacing any of our first team players with signings like Monakana, Tate, Zola's etc then we will struggle. Link to comment
CalgaryDon Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 The trouble with selling or losing those players is replacing them. Dundee Utd are a prime example of what not to do when selling players. they sold their best, pocketed decent cash and then didnt replace them, ultimately leading to their relegation. Mr Milne will be very reluctant to just hand over cash to DM to spend on replacements and I dont have the confidence that Derek could replace those players with similar or better quality. Some his signings havent been brilliant over the years and my fear would be replacing said players with utter drivel. That said, football these days is about buying and selling and no player has an affiliation with the club they play for anymore. It all comes down to whether we believe that both club and manager have the ability to replace those players with adequate quality. Replacing any of our first team players with signings like Monakana, Tate, Zola's etc then we will struggle. I believe that we could potentially receive a fee of 1.5 million for Mclean. That would certainly go a long way into rebuilding our squad if the fee is spent on replenishing our side. We are currently in a strong position in that we are in Europe, have just finished 2nd in the league for consecutive years and reached two domestic cup finals. Our club reputation has been partly restored and would seen as an attractive proposition for many players. Derek McInnes will probably have an easier time persuading players to join us than he has had in any previous window he's had with us. Provide him with a reasonable wage and transfer budget and he could possible source some good replacements. Greg Stewart, Stevie May, Devlin etc.. would be good players that we could possibly afford. In Fairness to DM he has done fairly well with his signings over the years. You also have to take into account that player such as Tate, Zola, Monakana were not on big wages and were seen as low risk signings/ loan deals. He has been ruthless and moved them on when they failed to make the grade. Link to comment
Foster14 Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 I believe that we could potentially receive a fee of 1.5 million for Mclean. Based on? We had Hayes with 18 months left on his contract commanding bids of far less than that. McLean might have age on his side compared to Hayes, but I can't see Aberdeen commanding anywhere near that figure when he can be picked up on a pre-contract 6 months later. Link to comment
Sonoftherock Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 I believe that we could potentially receive a fee of 1.5 million for Mclean. That would certainly go a long way into rebuilding our squad if the fee is spent on replenishing our side. We are currently in a strong position in that we are in Europe, have just finished 2nd in the league for consecutive years and reached two domestic cup finals. Our club reputation has been partly restored and would seen as an attractive proposition for many players. Derek McInnes will probably have an easier time persuading players to join us than he has had in any previous window he's had with us. Provide him with a reasonable wage and transfer budget and he could possible source some good replacements. Greg Stewart, Stevie May, Devlin etc.. would be good players that we could possibly afford. In Fairness to DM he has done fairly well with his signings over the years. You also have to take into account that player such as Tate, Zola, Monakana were not on big wages and were seen as low risk signings/ loan deals. He has been ruthless and moved them on when they failed to make the grade. He can sign for someone else in 6 months for free! 1.5 million!! You are dreaming my son! Link to comment
Henry Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 We can assume the summer courses CalgaryDon is taking aren't in football finance. 1 Link to comment
CalgaryDon Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 He can sign for someone else in 6 months for free! 1.5 million!! You are dreaming my son! Apologies I thought he had a year remaining. Link to comment
Tommy Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Apologies I thought he had a year remaining.He does but can sign a pre contract in January. Link to comment
RAZOR Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 We can assume the summer courses CalgaryDon is taking aren't in football finance. They could be. He probably failed them during term time and is having to resit. Link to comment
V for Vendetta Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 The trouble with selling or losing those players is replacing them. Dundee Utd are a prime example of what not to do when selling players. they sold their best, pocketed decent cash and then didnt replace them, ultimately leading to their relegation. Mr Milne will be very reluctant to just hand over cash to DM to spend on replacements and I dont have the confidence that Derek could replace those players with similar or better quality. Some his signings havent been brilliant over the years and my fear would be replacing said players with utter drivel. That said, football these days is about buying and selling and no player has an affiliation with the club they play for anymore. It all comes down to whether we believe that both club and manager have the ability to replace those players with adequate quality. Replacing any of our first team players with signings like Monakana, Tate, Zola's etc then we will struggle. Actually I think they did replace them - its just that the replacements turned out to either be shite or to need some time to settle into the team - when the team struggled and lost confidence that became impossible. So its not just a good example of a club collapsing when losing good players, it demonstrates the problem with trying to replace multiple key players in 1 transfer window - its very easy to get it wrong. I think our transfer record under McInnes is ok, there are lots of "failures" but realistically that's just what we have to go through to find the guys who can and will succeed for us. So it does take time and a willingness to go through a few failures to make the really good signings IMO. Link to comment
V for Vendetta Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 I'll refer back to my original post "I'd be expecting some good replacements". i believe this was the comment that your entire post was built around. Good replacements is not the same as saying better or equally as good but simply put good. It depends on the availability of good players. By no means did I imply it would be an easy task in replacing these players. Over the past several transfer windows I've clearly acknowledged this (I'm one of only a few on this forum) and have commented regularly on the struggle to source players that could benefit our current side. DM has a potentially challenging transfer window ahead. Thats why I'm keen for the remaining players who are out of contract to stay as I don't believe we can replace the likes of McGinn, Jack or even Taylor. I even commented in my last post that there are very few if any outside of the Celtic side that would improve or add to our squad. What I will say is that if they do leave DM will have spent time looking at potential signings that may be able to replace them. We also will have a significant wage budget at our disposal so I imagine we'd be competitive for any good player that do become available within the transfer market. We have done very well under our current scouting system - Scotland and lower leagues of England. I don't expect that to chance. @@Dandyesque - firstly who is unrealistic? Take the time to look at the transfer rumour thread and you will see that everyone I suggested is only the same players that are being spouted as potential options. Secondly, my thoughts are that with McLean supposedly keen to leave at the end of his contract (1 year remaining) and the fact as you said he's been playing very well (may I add only in the past 5 months during his time with us) would give us a greater fee in the summer rather than lose him for nothing the following year. With us potentially losing so many key players in the summer that transfer fee may help replace those key players with some good replacements. No need to be defensive CalgaryDon, I'm just pointing out that its wishful thinking that we can just replace 3 or 4 key midfield players like that - it simply wouldn't happen like that and we'd without doubt need to bring in lower quality players and hope for the best while working away at better replacements over the next 2 windows. The players you listed as potential targets are quite a big ask - I'd guess we typically make about 1 signing of that quality/standing in every 2 windows. Link to comment
Granite95 Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Actually I think they did replace them - its just that the replacements turned out to either be shite or to need some time to settle into the team - when the team struggled and lost confidence that became impossible. So its not just a good example of a club collapsing when losing good players, it demonstrates the problem with trying to replace multiple key players in 1 transfer window - its very easy to get it wrong. I think our transfer record under McInnes is ok, there are lots of "failures" but realistically that's just what we have to go through to find the guys who can and will succeed for us. So it does take time and a willingness to go through a few failures to make the really good signings IMO.Amen, look at Celtic's signings over the years; guys like boerrigter, absolutely trash, look how terrible Armstrong was originally for them and now he's one of their best players. The Dundee United example was them putting their eggs in one basket and hoping, Robbie Muirhead turned out ok for hearts and is now at MK Dons doing realtively well. We can replace guys like McGinn, jack, taylor etc its wether the signings come into the team and play well from the off (like Christie, like Shinnie) or they take time to settle into the team and play well (Storey and Stockely look decent but haven't always shown an end product) Link to comment
Tord31 Posted May 2, 2017 Author Share Posted May 2, 2017 i think storey and stockley will both be gone by September Link to comment
Granite95 Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 i think storey and stockley will both be gone by SeptemberNot too fussed about losing them two. Had high hopes for Storey but if the rumours about his weight and training problems are true then good riddance and I never rated Stockley and he's not really done too much to change my opinion since Link to comment
craegDAMH Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 (Storey and Stockely look decent but haven't always shown an end product) I never rated Stockley Quick change of mind there.... Link to comment
CalgaryDon Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 No need to be defensive CalgaryDon, I'm just pointing out that its wishful thinking that we can just replace 3 or 4 key midfield players like that - it simply wouldn't happen like that and we'd without doubt need to bring in lower quality players and hope for the best while working away at better replacements over the next 2 windows. The players you listed as potential targets are quite a big ask - I'd guess we typically make about 1 signing of that quality/standing in every 2 windows. The best possible outcome we can hope for is that those whose contract are currently set to expire sign on. Apologies I hadn't realized that McLean's contract expires in 6 months time. Unfortunately I can't see him remaining beyond that point. We'll have to see what McInnes has planned if they do decide to move on. It's a shame that after arguably our best season under McInnes the nucleus of the team looks set to be ripped apart. Link to comment
CalgaryDon Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 i think storey and stockley will both be gone by September Not too fussed about losing them two. Had high hopes for Storey but if the rumours about his weight and training problems are true then good riddance and I never rated Stockley and he's not really done too much to change my opinion since I actually don't mind Stockley. He's turned out to be an improvement on both Zola and Goodie. This summer could see a huge number of players exiting. Link to comment
Dave Bus Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 He can sign for someone else in 6 months for free! 1.5 million!! You are dreaming my son!Nadir ciftci went for 1.5 million when he could sign for another team for free in 6 months Link to comment
Andy_123 Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Celtic don't need to ransack us in order to overcome their managers deficiencies to win a cup final these days though Link to comment
Guest RosemountRed Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 i think storey and stockley will both be gone by September I bloody hope so. Link to comment
Tord31 Posted May 4, 2017 Author Share Posted May 4, 2017 May 2017Ryan Christie - returns to CelticPeter Pawlett - pre-contract signed with MK DonsNeil Alexander - no contract offeredJoe Nuttall - released June 2017 Robbie MutchAaron LennoxAsh TaylorJamie HenryRyan JackDylan ThomasCammy SmithNiall McGinnLawrence ShanklandAaron Norris 2018 Joe LewisDanny RogersShay LoganMark ReynoldsAnthony O'ConnorScott McKenna Daniel Harvie Craig Storie Kenny McLeanFrank RossJayden StockleyMiles Storey 2019 Graeme ShinnieJonny HayesAndrew ConsidineScott WrightDerek McInnesTony Docherty 2020 Greg TanseyAdam Rooney Link to comment
Tord31 Posted May 5, 2017 Author Share Posted May 5, 2017 May 2017Ryan Christie - returns to CelticPeter Pawlett - pre-contract signed with MK DonsNeil Alexander - no contract offeredJoe Nuttall - releasedRobbie Mutch - releasedJamie Henry - releasedDylan Thomas - releasedAaron Norris - released June 2017 Aaron LennoxAsh TaylorRyan JackCammy SmithNiall McGinnLawrence Shankland 2018 Joe LewisDanny RogersDavid CraddockShay LoganMark ReynoldsAnthony O'ConnorScott McKenna Harlain MbayoDaniel Harvie Craig Storie Kenny McLeanFrank RossJayden StockleyMiles StoreyBruce Anderson 2019 Graeme ShinnieJonny HayesAndrew ConsidineScott WrightDerek McInnesTony Docherty 2020 Greg TanseyAdam Rooney Link to comment
Guest RosemountRed Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Aaron Lennox - Strange that he's not been announced yetAsh Taylor - GTFRyan Jack - Think he'll end up stayingCammy Smith - Strange one, they've not said either way yetNiall McGinn - He's gone, DM said as much last nightLawrence Shankland - GTF you hun mink Link to comment
super_al Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Aaron Lennox - Strange that he's not been announced yetAsh Taylor - GTFRyan Jack - Think he'll end up stayingCammy Smith - Strange one, they've not said either way yetNiall McGinn - He's gone, DM said as much last nightLawrence Shankland - GTF you hun minkWhere did you see DM said McGinn was gone? Link to comment
RAZOR Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Where did you see DM said McGinn was gone?You can't be serious, surely to fuck? Link to comment
Tord31 Posted May 5, 2017 Author Share Posted May 5, 2017 I think the 6 of them will all leave Link to comment
Tord31 Posted May 14, 2017 Author Share Posted May 14, 2017 less than a fortnight to go still looking like 14 players moving on. Bit of a clear of the decks Would expect a minimum of 6-7 signings Link to comment
fine-n-dandy Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 As long as Taylor fucks off I really do not care about the rest.All are replaceable but continuing with that useless cunt in defence would be a SERIOUS fuck up by McInnes. Getting rid of him is our first priority Link to comment
Donmacca Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 Lennox was a strange one to keep last season and can't really see him staying this summer Link to comment
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now