The Labour Party Are A Fucking Disgrace

[The Boofon]

one of the cleverest people I know, certainly the cleverest you know

He knows me so that’s not correct.

[eeps]

LOL

 

Wot u on about?

Not complicated, Corbyn et al big supporters of Chavez regime and subsequent Maduro leadership which has brought catastrophe to people of Venezuela. A thriving, rich country brought to its knees by socialist economic policies. It happens every fucking time. The leaders of such countries continue to live in luxury and opulence as their citizens go without food every fucking time.

[BWG]

 

[craegDAMH]

Not complicated, Corbyn et al big supporters of Chavez regime and subsequent Maduro leadership which has brought catastrophe to people of Venezuela. A thriving, rich country brought to its knees by socialist economic policies. It happens every fucking time. The leaders of such countries continue to live in luxury and opulence as their citizens go without food every fucking time.

 

Not defending Maduro but this is utterly absurd. Are you suggesting Venezuela was a thriving country before Chavez?

 

GDP per capita in 1999 (when Chavez came to power) was $4,077, which was below the global figure of $5,381. So this thriving, rich country with the largest oil reserves in the world was poorer than the world average with millions of people living in poverty.

 

GDP per capita in 2014 (year after Chavez died) was $15,692, which was 44%! above the global figure of $10,882, and in that time during Chavez' presidency millions were lifted out of poverty.

 

What socialist policies in particular brought this thriving rich country to its knees?

[manboobs109]

Are you involved in politics Craeg? You debate very well.

[craegDAMH]

Are you involved in politics Craeg? You debate very well.

 

I'm Ross Thomson...

[manboobs109]

Fancy going for a couple of drinks?

[NEM]

Eeps, Dayts, NEM, CS, Jonty.

 

The first cunts I’d have lined up and shot in Corbyn Britain.

 

 

How very tolerant 

 

Why wait for something that's never going to happen?

[Jocky Balboa]

Nae really sure how gaining their biggest share (percentage change, not total %, that was an error on my part) of the vote since 1945 in an election with a higher turnout means they lack wider appeal but fair enough.

Respectfully, my point stands - yes, they had a surge (except in Scotland, where their vote was almost static from 2015) but the Tories, despite the huge unpopularity of the coalition and it's policies, as well as Cameron's bumbling handling of the EU situation, still got even more votes. Clearly a lot of people rallied to prevent a Corbyn premiership.

[alscotoz]

Respectfully, my point stands - yes, they had a surge (except in Scotland, where their vote was almost static from 2015) but the Tories, despite the huge unpopularity of the coalition and it's policies, as well as Cameron's bumbling handling of the EU situation, still got even more votes. Clearly a lot of people rallied to prevent a Corbyn premiership.

 

Assumption?

[Parklife]

but the Tories, despite the huge unpopularity of the coalition and it's policies

Let's look at the data.

 

In the 2015 election, the Tories polled 37.8% of the vote, Labour 31.2%

 

By the time Corbyn took over in September 2015, the polls had the Tories somewhere between 14% and 6% ahead of Labour, polling between 38% & 42%.

 

At the 2017 election, the Tories increased their vote share (despite their "huge unpopularity"...) 43.5%, up 6.3%.

 

Labour also increased their vote share, indeed they did so my around 50% more than the Tories and took it up 9.8% to 42% of the vote.

[manboobs109]

So The Tories and Labour are really popular just now?

[craegDAMH]

Respectfully, my point stands - yes, they had a surge (except in Scotland, where their vote was almost static from 2015) but the Tories, despite the huge unpopularity of the coalition and it's policies, as well as Cameron's bumbling handling of the EU situation, still got even more votes. Clearly a lot of people rallied to prevent a Corbyn premiership.

 

You're coming over with a touch of the Clydeside's here, putting "clearly" in front of a sentence doesn't lend it any validity.

 

Your analysis of people being mobilised to come out and vote Tory to keep out Corbyn totally ignores the impact of the almost complete collapse of UKIP. They got 3.8m votes in 2015 and only 600k votes in 2017. Tories picked up these voters at a 2:1 ratio to Labour, this is where their increase came from. 

 

The reality is the Overton window has shifted in the UK and centrism is dying, if not already dead, and Labour policies are extremely popular with the electorate. That's why in an election campaign, when the media is compelled by law to be balanced and the discussion moves to policies, Labour makes big gains in the polls.

[NEM]

Tories picked up these voters at a 2:1 ratio to Labour, this is where their increase came from. 

 

 

 

 

How did they ascertain that?

[craegDAMH]

How did they ascertain that?

 

Polling

[Redforever86]

It's quite simple in regards to England in the 2017 election. It was clear only Labour or the Torries would win (as normal), however as these parties had shifted from centre right and centre left to more extremist and ideological ends of the spectrum. People who previously never seen either party winning as a disaster and used their vote as a protest, or to help smaller parties more finely tuned to their views, shit themselves. 

 

Instead of the risk of a far left wing Labour govt, UKIP went back to vote tory. Lib Dems (with the collapse of their party) etc presumably shifted to Labour. 

 

So was the increase in votes for Labour due to confidence in Corbyn or zero confidence in May and a fear of an ever increasingly right wing Tory party?

 

I'm positive if there was no Brexit, David Cameron had control of the party, and the tories were more centrist they'd of wiped the floor with labour. 

 

Corbyn great politician? Or a great beneficiary of circumstance?

[tiktak]

Corbyn great politician? Or a great beneficiary of circumstance?

 

Corbyn's problem is that he's not even a good "politician". He's terrible at playing that political game of lies and spin. Before being leader he'd just say what he wanted but now he's got advisors telling him what he should and shouldn't say to keep voters onside so now he just looks indecisive. It's the reason he's got himself in a pickle on the jewish problem. If he just got bold and told the truth he'd actually do himself some good but he's got the shitebags in his ear telling him not to say it. Truth is he is not anti-semitic, he just hates the israeli government policies and the west's pandering to it. 

[Guest milne_afc]

Chris Williamson should offer Tom Watson a car park straightener.

[Poodler]

Why WOULDNT people be anti/ Semitic?

[Redforever86]

Why WOULDNT people be anti/ Semitic?

Love thy foreskin.

[The Boofon]

Good ole Noamski talking sense (as per)

 

https://twitter.com/thebirmingham6/status/1100781844839178251?s=21

Afrikan was a cracker. He looks blacker in real life.

[manboobs109]

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/jewish-labour-members-in-tears-diane-abbott-s-local-party-passes-motion-questioning-instituti-1.480825

 

Labour at it again. Poor Jews.

[manboobs109]

Two wrongs don't make a right Mobzer. Di needs to rein in the hate squad.

[NEM]

^ Lol

 

Abbo gets it millions of times worse from folk of your ilk

 

Love Dizer

 

 

Abbot brings it on herself - thick as fuck

[Parklife]

What's the issue with this then?

 

Non-racist person and party say "we're not racist".

 

OUTRAGED!!

[Parklife]

A tory minister gets exposed as a crook and costs the tax-payer £33 million but thick racists like fatbreasts are raging about a CLP saying "we're not racist".

 

LOL

[manboobs109]

What's the issue with this then?

 

Non-racist person and party say "we're not racist".

 

OUTRAGED!!

Dismissing legitimate complaints about antisemitism. Shocking.

[manboobs109]

A tory minister gets exposed as a crook and costs the tax-payer £33 million but thick racists like fatbreasts are raging about a CLP saying "we're not racist".

 

LOL

Tory Minister making a massive arse of something, hardly news Parky, they've been making an arse of things for the last 9 years.

[Jocky Balboa]

You're coming over with a touch of the Clydeside's here, putting "clearly" in front of a sentence doesn't lend it any validity.

 

Your analysis of people being mobilised to come out and vote Tory to keep out Corbyn totally ignores the impact of the almost complete collapse of UKIP. They got 3.8m votes in 2015 and only 600k votes in 2017. Tories picked up these voters at a 2:1 ratio to Labour, this is where their increase came from.

 

The reality is the Overton window has shifted in the UK and centrism is dying, if not already dead, and Labour policies are extremely popular with the electorate. That's why in an election campaign, when the media is compelled by law to be balanced and the discussion moves to policies, Labour makes big gains in the polls.

Again, respectfully you have missed part of my point and in fact I'm in agreement with much of what you say. I was in fact taking the UKIP vote into account in regards to 2017, but I was in the minority who called it right in 2015, when we insisted that Miliband would never be PM and that the UKIP vote would swing it. They were regularly polling 17-18% but finished on about 12.5%, because as some of us predicted, they tactically switched at the end, to ensure Cameron won and they got their EU referendum. Those same people are now voting Tory, to ensure Brexit goes ahead and, dare I say it, they're not to enamoured at the prospect of a hard left Labour government.

 

As I alluded to elsewhere, UKIP were a controlled opposition and have now outlived their usefulness... unless Brexit doesn't go ahead, in which case another Pandora's Box will be unleashed.

 

Those who predict a Corbyn victory are underestimating the divergence between England and Scotland and while I am no fan of the current SNP leadership, it's clear that in most cases England is drifting rightward. Outside already-converted leftists, Corbyn has little appeal and I simply cannot see him winning over the Middle England voters who usually swing GEs.

[elephantstone78]

The cunt said fuck all wrong

Watson’s a snake

He’s the guy that disappeared off to glasto, didn’t answer the thousand or so attempted calls and was pictured wearing a bucket hat taking selfies with “yoof” in the aftermath of some major political event. Was it referendum?

Anyway, was quite entertaining on hignfy but clearly a cunt. See also boris and the mog.