Scottish Independence Referendum 2

[eeps]

I think my previous post clearly established just some of the things from which I diverge from Farage. That you responded as you did suggests you either didn't read it properly, or are just trying to pick a fight.

 

Incidentally, I could have mentioned how Farage, UKIP, the EDL and "Tommy Robinson" were/are controlled opposition, set up and encouraged by the establishment (their massive overrepresentation on Question Time being a point in question) to quell/contain Euroscepticism and British Nationalism. While they succeeded in smashing the BNP, they unleashed a Pandora's Box of toxic English nationalism, from which Unionism may never recover.

 

On the plus side, the farce of the Brexit aftermath has let the wider UK public see the sectarian simpletons of the (to the right of UKIP) joke party that are the DUP for what they really are; antiquated, Creationist, anti-Catholic bigots whom, if they climbed into the NINETEENTH century, it would represent progress.

Fair play to you Jocky you are a nationalist and I doubt you'll ever change. I respect that, I don't think your views are markedly different from Farage though just that you are Scottish variety he is English variety. You think Scotland better of out of UK he doesn't.

 

I personally think UK is whole which is greater than the sum of its parts. All parts would be diminished if broken up. We share culture, language and history. I understand the nationalist desire just don't share it.

[eeps]

Did they, aye?

Aye because the economic plan for independence was based on oil revenue.

[BWG]

Nothing ventured nothing gained.

[eeps]

Nothing ventured nothing gained.

Touche

[Redforever86]

I personally think UK is whole which is greater than the sum of its parts. All parts would be diminished if broken up. We share culture, language and history. I understand the nationalist desire just don't share it.

Why do you think we are better together as a hole? We lose any influence in Europe, the English squander away our fishing rights etc etc.

 

Our 5M population has fuck all say in anything beyond Europe, part of the UK or not we are insignificant and London decides everything regardless.

 

Ah the great British culture, if it ever existed it’s fading fast, England is all grime music and everyone being a minor celeb. We should get out while we can.

[caledonia]

 

We'd be fucked without oil, anyone who says otherwise is deluded.

 

Have you told the likes of Italy,France and Germany

[cow]

https://theferret.scot/independent-scotland-join-the-euro/

The idea that Scotland would need to adopt the Euro =  False.   

[For Fecks Sake]

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-independent-scotland-would-have-to-adopt-euro-after-joining-eu

 

= still no fucking idea.

[Henry]

https://theferret.scot/independent-scotland-join-the-euro/

 

The idea that Scotland would need to adopt the Euro =  False.   

 

Holy cow!

 

What a blast from the past. 

[Ohjimmyjimmy]

Holy cow!

 

What a blast from the past.

Probably a slip from a regular on here, logging in under their alter-ego username.

 

Cow

 

Cow

 

Cow

[muttonhumper]

 

We'd be fucked without oil

 

 

When you say "we", you mean England don't you?

 

In which case you are probably correct.

[Henry]

You moving home for the next vote @@muttonhumper min?

[muttonhumper]

I'm actually moving away for good I think.

 

Selling hoose in 'shire, buying in Cyprus.

 

So nae likely.

Unfortunate.

[Jocky Balboa]

Now that Kim Jong Butch is back from her designer baby sabbatical, things will get interesting. The way the media are fawning over her, you'd think it was the Second Coming of the Messiah.

 

She's not the Messiah, she's a nasty little cunt.

 

As a side note, the media are reaching new levels of delusion by touting her chances of being FM. The Tories haven't won an election in Scotland since the 1950's and never will again.

[Henry]

 

Legislation to enable a second referendum on independence has been published by the Scottish government, as Nicola Sturgeon said another vote before 2021 would give Scotland “the opportunity to choose to be an independent European nation – rather than have a Brexit future imposed upon us”.

 

The framework bill, published on Wednesday, comes after the Scottish National party secured a record three MEPs and its highest European parliament vote at 38%, boosted by the first minister’s clear pro-remain campaigning, in which Sturgeon urged voters to support her party whether or not they were pro-independence, to send a convincing message about Scotland’s opposition to Brexit.

 

In a statement to Holyrood on Wednesday afternoon, the Scottish government’s constitutional relations secretary, Michael Russell, described the EU election result as a “fresh start”. He argued Scotland had stated “loudly and clearly that it was a European nation”, adding that the conditions for holding a second independence referendum, set out in the SNP’s 2016 manifesto, had now been “met in full” as the UK headed for a no-deal Brexit.

 

The referendums (Scotland) bill does not specify the date, question or referendum period, which would all be set by secondary legislation. Sturgeon has previously committed to securing the necessary transfer of powers from Westminster before holding a vote, something Theresa May has consistently stated she would refuse if requested.

 

 

The SNP leader said: “We will seek agreement to a transfer of power at an appropriate point to enable an independence referendum that is beyond challenge to be held later in this parliament. It is essential the UK government recognises that it would be a democratic outrage if it seeks to block such a referendum. Indeed, any such stance would, in my view, prove to be utterly unsustainable.”

 

Following the publication of the bill, three of the candidates to replace May as Conservative leader: Rory Stewart, Sajid Javid and James Cleverly, said they would block any request from Sturgeon to hold another independence referendum.

 

Sturgeon, who first announced she wanted new legislation for a second referendum in June 2016, immediately after the UK voted to leave the EU, added: “Now, more than ever, it is essential that we keep Scotland’s options open so that people have the opportunity to choose a better future.

[boboisared]

 

 

Legislation to enable a second referendum on independence has been published by the Scottish government, as Nicola Sturgeon said another vote before 2021 would give Scotland “the opportunity to choose to be an independent European nation – rather than have a Brexit future imposed upon us”.

 

The framework bill, published on Wednesday, comes after the Scottish National party secured a record three MEPs and its highest European parliament vote at 38%, boosted by the first minister’s clear pro-remain campaigning, in which Sturgeon urged voters to support her party whether or not they were pro-independence, to send a convincing message about Scotland’s opposition to Brexit.

 

In a statement to Holyrood on Wednesday afternoon, the Scottish government’s constitutional relations secretary, Michael Russell, described the EU election result as a “fresh start”. He argued Scotland had stated “loudly and clearly that it was a European nation”, adding that the conditions for holding a second independence referendum, set out in the SNP’s 2016 manifesto, had now been “met in full” as the UK headed for a no-deal Brexit.

 

The referendums (Scotland) bill does not specify the date, question or referendum period, which would all be set by secondary legislation. Sturgeon has previously committed to securing the necessary transfer of powers from Westminster before holding a vote, something Theresa May has consistently stated she would refuse if requested.

 

 

The SNP leader said: “We will seek agreement to a transfer of power at an appropriate point to enable an independence referendum that is beyond challenge to be held later in this parliament. It is essential the UK government recognises that it would be a democratic outrage if it seeks to block such a referendum. Indeed, any such stance would, in my view, prove to be utterly unsustainable.”

 

Following the publication of the bill, three of the candidates to replace May as Conservative leader: Rory Stewart, Sajid Javid and James Cleverly, said they would block any request from Sturgeon to hold another independence referendum.

 

Sturgeon, who first announced she wanted new legislation for a second referendum in June 2016, immediately after the UK voted to leave the EU, added: “Now, more than ever, it is essential that we keep Scotland’s options open so that people have the opportunity to choose a better future.

 

English tories not doing a No votes cause much good on twitter.

[Parklife]

English tories not doing a No votes cause much good on twitter.

Aye. Javid telling Scottish folk what they are and are not allowed to do won't play well, even with the most subservient, lickspittle Scots.

[boboisared]

Aye. Javid telling Scottish folk what they are and are not allowed to do won't play well, even with the most subservient, lickspittle Scots.

The rest of them are at it too.

 

Davidson on a hiding to nothing before she opens her own mouth.

[Redforever86]

If Great Britain ends up with some cunt called sajid javid running the show then the games up.

We need to get the fuck out afore all the kids are forced to read the Koran at school.

[Studebaker-90]

The boss

[tiktak]

His middle name is David

 

Sajid David Javid. Noo that wid be a tongue twister right enough.

[BWG]

These entitled tory wankers are surely enough to give even the most staunch of no voters pause for thought?

 

What am I saying, of course they aren't.

[Jocky Balboa]

The new bill is no more than a token gesture at this stage, especially when the FM knows (she's a trained lawyer, let's not forget) full well that we don't currently have the authority to hold one without WM permission.

 

She could of course challenge this in Supreme Court, but she's had exactly three years to do just that. One has to wonder why she hasn't...

 

How many times will she hoodwink the happy clappers with the same tired old "vote for us to make Scotland stronger... give us a mandate, etc." when there are already several electoral victories (largely thanks to hardworking grassroots YES supporters, many whom are not natural SNP voters) in the bag?

[Jocky Balboa]

As a side note, if Indyref2 is indeed kicked into the long grass because the SNP leadership are chicken shit, how long will the constitutional deadlock continue? The grassroots movement are going nowhere (and are getting restless) but Sturgeon is a poor leader, while on the other hand, the opposition are far worse (if Kim Jong Butch is the best Unionism can do, they're equally fucked) so unless someone has the vision to break impasse, Scotland will continue to meander through a Neverendum.

[Henry]

A majority of Scots now support independence and back Nicola Sturgeon’s plan for a second referendum, a bombshell poll shows today.

 

The study by pollster Lord Ashcroft has provided the first evidence that Boris Johnson becoming Prime Minister has driven up support for breaking up the UK.

 

It puts support for independence at 46 per cent for and 43 per cent against. When don’t knows are removed it would give a referendum result of 52% Yes 48% No. 

 

The No side won the September 2014 referendum by 55% to 45%.

 

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/bombshell-scottish-independence-poll-reveals-18829998

[boboisared]

 

A majority of Scots now support independence and back Nicola Sturgeon’s plan for a second referendum, a bombshell poll shows today.

 

The study by pollster Lord Ashcroft has provided the first evidence that Boris Johnson becoming Prime Minister has driven up support for breaking up the UK.

 

It puts support for independence at 46 per cent for and 43 per cent against. When don’t knows are removed it would give a referendum result of 52% Yes 48% No. 

 

The No side won the September 2014 referendum by 55% to 45%.

 

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/bombshell-scottish-independence-poll-reveals-18829998

 

Not really enough though is it? Don't knows will have fucked it up by bottling it last time.

[Jocky Balboa]

Does this poll include 16/17 year olds and EU citizens? I think we'll only know which way the wind is blowing, once Brexit happens (and it has to, or the Tory Party will be finished and they know it).

[Henry]

A future Labour government would not block a second Scottish independence referendum, shadow chancellor John McDonnell has said.

In an interview with journalist Iain Dale at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival, Mr McDonnell said any decision about holding a vote would be up to the Scottish Parliament.

He said: "It will be for the Scottish Parliament and the Scottish people to decide that.

 

 

 

"They will take a view about whether they want another referendum. Nicola Sturgeon said by late next year or the beginning of 2021."

He added: "We would not block something like that. We would let the Scottish people decide. That's democracy.

"There are other views within the party but that's our view."

[For Fecks Sake]

A future Labour government would not block a second Scottish independence referendum, shadow chancellor John McDonnell has said.

In an interview with journalist Iain Dale at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival, Mr McDonnell said any decision about holding a vote would be up to the Scottish Parliament.

He said: "It will be for the Scottish Parliament and the Scottish people to decide that.

 

 

 

"They will take a view about whether they want another referendum. Nicola Sturgeon said by late next year or the beginning of 2021."

He added: "We would not block something like that. We would let the Scottish people decide. That's democracy.

"There are other views within the party but that's our view."

Shows you just how desperate Labour are to win votes up here.

[tightbreeks]

The guardians opinion section has an article about how scotland should leave the uk as soon as they can. And this is coming from a uk paper!