Minimum alcohol pricing - latest?

[Old manny]

 

 

I don't think it should be a rich vs poor thing. It's about changing the attitude that we, as a society, have towards alcohol. I believe that raising the price and making excessive consumption more unusual will help change our attitude to alcohol.

 

It's not the only thing required but i do believe that combining this with increased education campaigns (particularly targetted at young people) can be part of a change in attitudes towards alcohol.

 

Personally, i'd rather that the minimum price was in place as a tax but the Scottish Parliament doesn't have the power to do this.

Totally agree with your point on the importance of education in tackling the problem, but minimum pricing which falls disproportionately on the poor, as usual, smacks of Tory cuntism. If you are going to raise the price of alcohol then a hefty rise on the price of the quality brands of alcohol should have been included in the spirit (excuse the pun) of fairness.

[Henry]

 

See politicians exist only to run the country on our behalf, at what point were they given the remit to tell us what to think, or how to behave?

 

 

 

Seems a bit ironic, given your fondness for the Catholic church.

[Old manny]

 

Great points.

 

 

On that note of unexpected agreement C-S I am away to take a couple of aspirin and lie down in a darkened room until I recover

[RAZOR]

Litre of Glens in to a 2litre bottle of coke. Absolutely no fizz by the end of the night.

Bottle squeezed and crumpled up so much you could barely get a scoof out of it. Some mink always had the dregs if everyone's bottles

[Clydeside_Sheep]

Totally agree with your point on the importance of education in tackling the problem, but minimum pricing which falls disproportionately on the poor, as usual, smacks of Tory cuntism. If you are going to raise the price of alcohol then a hefty rise on the price of the quality brands of alcohol should have been included in the spirit (excuse the pun) of fairness.

 

Its SNP cuntism.

 

And the policy was specifically targeted at the cheaper alcohol favoured by neds and jakeys, like the 3 litre bottles of dynamite cider etc.

 

The middle classes dont go out and put a bottle of remy martin over somebody's head.

 

I resent it because it makes good-quality-but-cheap 500ml 5% beers up in price from £1 a bottle to a minimum of £1.25 bottle. And this is just the beginning.

[Clydeside_Sheep]

 

 

Seems a bit ironic, given your fondness for the Catholic church.

 

Its not ironic at all, the Church exists to promote immutable truths - but Nicola Sturgeon disnae!

[boboisared]

Wretching at the thought!

It's worse when you take in to account the amounts of times its been done as an adult for TITP and football buses.

 

Bottle squeezed and crumpled up so much you could barely get a scoof out of it. Some mink always had the dregs if everyone's bottles

[Nelly]

Said before, this is to target the underagers from having access to cheap, high alcohol content drinks. No point them buying a couple of beers if it's not going to get them smashed. To your average unemployed/low wage drinker they'll still be able to afford a drink, it'll just have less alcohol in it

[Old manny]

 

 

 

I resent it because it makes good-quality-but-cheap 500ml 5% beers up in price from £1 a bottle to a minimum of £1.25 bottle. And this is just the beginning.

How will you cope when the price of communion wine triples and you have to put more money in the collection plate to compensate?

[Parklife]

Totally agree with your point on the importance of education in tackling the problem, but minimum pricing which falls disproportionately on the poor, as usual, smacks of Tory cuntism. If you are going to raise the price of alcohol then a hefty rise on the price of the quality brands of alcohol should have been included in the spirit (excuse the pun) of fairness.

But it's about consumption of quantity of alcohol, not the type of alcohol drunk. Having 1 or 2 brandy's a couple of times a week isn't what this is trying to target. It's having an excessive quantity of units of alcohol.

 

Enough alcohol is sold in Scotland every year for every adult to drink around 20 units per week, 44% more than the 14 unit per week lower risk guidelines. I'm pretty happy that there's at least an attempt being made to reduce consumption and improve the health of the nation.

[Parklife]

How old you Parkie lad?

 

No hidden agenda, just wondering...

I'm 30.

[Redforever86]

I actually agree with Parky the poofter here.

 

If my half bottle of Rachmaninoff and 2L orange-aid mixer had cost a combined £8 instead of £3.95 at age 15, I'd of nae been able to afford to get into Pittodrie. Leading to less humiliating defeats to the likes of Livi, less depression and escapism through alcohol and now I wouldn't spend £1 per unit on fancy beers either.

 

I've both drank and sold the nastiest cheapest cider you can legally obtain.

[Parklife]

 

Sound. Merely just wondering as I thought you were older by your views on this topic that was all.

 

I have no further comments, as explained - no hidden agenda, just wondered how old you were.

No probs.

[BrianFaePerth]

Waste of time. See anywhere in Scandinavia for proof.

 

If you need to drink you will drink.

 

There are huge problems in Scandinavia with people making their own booze coz of the prices.

[Parklife]

Waste of time. See anywhere in Scandinavia for proof.

 

If you need to drink you will drink.

 

There are huge problems in Scandinavia with people making their own booze coz of the prices.

Is the "proof" them drinking less alcohol than us and having less alcohol attributable deaths than us?

 

http://www.euro.who.int/__data/assets/pdf_file/0017/190430/Status-Report-on-Alcohol-and-Health-in-35-European-Countries.pdf

[Nelly]

we'll be overrun with Weegies in a few years if they're discouraged from drinking themselves to an early death

[BrianFaePerth]

Is the "proof" them drinking less alcohol than us and having less alcohol attributable deaths than us?

 

http://www.euro.who.int/__data/assets/pdf_file/0017/190430/Status-Report-on-Alcohol-and-Health-in-35-European-Countries.pdf

 

Uh yeah. You make spirits illegally and then declare all honest like what you drink etc.

 

Have you been to the backwaters of Norway? Basically anywhere outside the main cities is full of alkies. Fair enough it's more Friday and Saturday night but they make up for not drinking the rest of the week.

 

Sorry darkie, some report is no substitute for living in a place.

[Parklife]

Uh yeah. You make spirits illegally and then declare all honest like what you drink etc.

 

Have you been to the backwaters of Norway? Basically anywhere outside the main cities is full of alkies. Fair enough it's more Friday and Saturday night but they make up for not drinking the rest of the week.

 

Sorry darkie, some report is no substitute for living in a place.

So we ignore any actual research because you know best?

 

Yeah, good shout, Byen

[BrianFaePerth]

So we ignore any actual research because you know best?

 

Yeah, good shout, Byen

Just saying research is flawed. It is based on people being honest. If you're doing something illegal, why tell about it.

 

But what do eh ken. Only lived in Norway for 14 years and worked in Finland for 2. You've got a PDF you've found on the net. Canna compete with that.

[Clydeside_Sheep]

How will you cope when the price of communion wine triples and you have to put more money in the collection plate to compensate?

 

We will just change more water into wine for free

[Parklife]

Just saying research is flawed. It is based on people being honest. If you're doing something illegal, why tell about it.

 

But what do eh ken. Only lived in Norway for 14 years and worked in Finland for 2. You've got a PDF you've found on the net. Canna compete with that.

I've lived in Scotland for 30 years, i wouldn't claim that i know better than organisations who've actually researched an issue.

 

Your anecdotal evidence definitely has a place and could definitely be raised as a counter point. However, I think any neutral observer would take the findings of the World Health Organisation over the findings of ByenFaeBergen.

[fatjim]

Couldn't really give a fuck as it will have zero effect on me.

[Clydeside_Sheep]

Couldn't really give a fuck as it will have zero effect on me.

 

You are not a dullard teetotaller are you?

[manboobs109]

Noticed a big difference in Morrisons today. I'd imagine yer 'craft' beers will be going up to keep the impression of premium(and make more dough)

[fatjim]

 

You are not a dullard teetotaller are you?

 

No I just don't drink the shite that is going to be effected. I was already buying stuff that was above the minimum unit price.

 

Plus I prefer smoking crack.

[Betty Swallicks]

Just another tax on the poor.

 

It won't stop alkies drinking, it'll stop alkies paying their bills or feeding their bairns.

 

Drink is cheap as fuck in Spain etc and they have little problem.

We should admit the fact we're a nation of mad bastard drinkers and embrace it.

[Redforever86]

Noticed a big difference in Morrisons today. I'd imagine yer 'craft' beers will be going up to keep the impression of premium(and make more dough)

 

Aye really?

[Sheep#1]

Noticed a big difference in Morrisons today. I'd imagine yer 'craft' beers will be going up to keep the impression of premium(and make more dough)

How much is a crate or box going for now? I stocked up on a few for a tenner for 20 bottles over the past couple of weeks.

[dave_min]

Noticed a big difference in Morrisons today. I'd imagine yer 'craft' beers will be going up to keep the impression of premium(and make more dough)

 

What kinda loser gets their beer from a supermarket? Mainstream pish.

[manboobs109]

^ I was in the house ya dopey chump. It's a shame to see you turning into a boring beer snob cavey. It's hard to believe you were Aberdeen's foremost rave promoter and drug collector at one time, now you're just a golf playing craft beer wanker. Dave Min in a pringle jumper.