The Mckenna Dilemma

[boboisared]

That is dubious reasoning.

 

I think any purchase would be a stop gap and he would ultimately be a squad player like the vast majority of scots players they purchase.

Not sure why you were -1 for this. The only Scottish player who hasn't been treated this way in recent history is Scott Brown.

 

The other Scottish players they have that play regularly came through their youth system. Players like Griffiths are 3rd choice etc. He's tried to replace Gordon but De Vries was shite.

[Betty Swallicks]

This will be interesting if celtic have offered 3.5mil as their starting point.

 

We've been (in general) shitebags re selling players under Milne and cash is tight and the training facility has to be paid for BUT if we're serious about this fitba lark and progressing Milne needs to hold his nerve. Selling for under 5mil (after claiming he was worth double that) would seriously piss off the majority support and I presume McInnes (even though he is Milnes media rent boy).

[StandFree1982]

Have we?

 

When were we last bent over on selling someone?

 

Seems to be the reoccurring "myth" going round here ATM.

 

£200K for Chris Clark blows that theory out of the water.

[Byrne Baby Byrne]

We've rarely had players good enough to sell in the last 20 years. Our biggest problem is usually players leaving under freedom of contract

[RUL]

£3.5M and a sell on fee is actually a pretty good offerl I think. I could be wrong but I don't think we've sold any player for a large fee since Eoin Jess which was a club record at the time., £1.75M rings a bell?

[RUL]

£3.5M and a sell on fee is actually a pretty good offerl I think. I could be wrong but I don't think we've sold any player for a large fee since Eoin Jess which was a club record at the time., £1.75M rings a bell?

[Parklife]

£3.5M and a sell on fee is actually a pretty good offerl I think.

Fuck off.

[Yorston Vasey]

Nope that's a shite offer. McKenna will still draw interest from English clubs in January so no need to sell him on the cheap to Celtic this summer. £5m plus sell on and it might be worth thinking about, but he should still attract similar offers in five months' time so we can easily wait it out.

[Clydeside_Sheep]

Not sure why you were -1 for this.

Haterz gonna hate

 

The only Scottish player who hasn't been treated this way in recent history is Scott Brown.

 

The other Scottish players they have that play regularly came through their youth system. Players like Griffiths are 3rd choice etc. He's tried to replace Gordon but De Vries was shite.

Exactly right.

 

Probably Stuart Armstrong came closest to emulating Browns success in establishing himself, but obviously not close enough as shown by his desire to leave.

[Betty Swallicks]

Have we?

 

When were we last bent over on selling someone?

 

 

Shhhhh, the big boys are talking.

 

 

 

Seems to be the reoccurring "myth" going round here ATM.

 

£200K for Chris Clark blows that theory out of the water.

 

I said "in general".

Regardless....... is Chris Clark going for 200k comparable to the dross and average players that's been sold for much more by lesser clubs than ourselves?

 

We've been in general shitebags under Milnes tenure (like I said).

[RUL]

Nope that's a shite offer. McKenna will still draw interest from English clubs in January so no need to sell him on the cheap to Celtic this summer. £5m plus sell on and it might be worth thinking about, but he should still attract similar offers in five months' time so we can easily wait it out.

 

Yeah, there's no pressure on us to sell due to the length of his contract. I just think £3.5M is a lot of money to our club, the fact we've never sold a player for that much or anywhere near it before highlights that. Hopefully your right and we hold out and get more money by selling to an English club at the end of this season rather than January.

[Clydeside_Sheep]

£3.5M and a sell on fee is actually a pretty good offerl I think.

Its better than I expected, but still nowhere near good enough given the impact it would have on our own team / plans.

 

We are on a decent financial keel at the minute, probably in previous years (when that wasnt the case) we would probably have been keener to punt him.

[boboisared]

Haterz gonna hate

 

 

Exactly right.

 

Probably Stuart Armstrong came closest to emulating Browns success in establishing himself, but obviously not close enough as shown by his desire to leave.

Armstrong was one of their top performers...then they brought in N'tcham to replace him. Stopgap was a perfect description if you look at that example.

[RUL]

Its better than I expected, but still nowhere near good enough given the impact it would have on our own team / plans.

 

We are on a decent financial keel at the minute, probably in previous years (when that wasnt the case) we would probably have been keener to punt him.

 

Are we on a decent financial keel though? We've training facilities and stadium to be paid for, say we sold him for £3.5M and the manager was given it all, you'd imagine that would have a big impact on our ability to improve the team. I suppose like you say it's whether or not the manager would be able to replace such a important player and strengthen the team.

[Betty Swallicks]

Its better than I expected, but still nowhere near good enough given the impact it would have on our own team / plans.

 

We are on a decent financial keel at the minute, probably in previous years (when that wasnt the case) we would probably have been keener to punt him.

 

Are you aware of our current building work (that is 3mil short) and plans at Westhill (that is 35mil short)?

 

Are you aware of our chairman?

[RedForever]

£3.5M and a sell on fee is actually a pretty good offerl I think. I could be wrong but I don't think we've sold any player for a large fee since Eoin Jess which was a club record at the time., £1.75M rings a bell?

 

Sums up what's wrong with the small thinking surrounding the club. How is £3.5M from our closest rival a good offer when we value him closer to the £10M mark???

 

Jess fee irrelevant considering it was 22 years ago when the football world was a completely different place

[RUL]

 

Are you aware of our current building work (that is 3mil short) and plans at Westhill (that is 35mil short)?

 

Are you aware of our chairman?

 

I'm fairly confident that the chairman would direct transfer funds to the playing budget...it's just how much is the playing budget going to be affected by the things you mention. Surely it's going to have an impact over the next few years.

[StandFree1982]

 

 

Shhhhh, the big boys are talking.

 

 

 

I said "in general".

Regardless....... is Chris Clark going for 200k comparable to the dross and average players that's been sold for much more by lesser clubs than ourselves?

 

We've been in general shitebags under Milnes tenure (like I said).

 

Any examples of players we've had who we didn't get decent money for? Only one I can think of was Ryan Fraser.

[RUL]

 

Sums up what's wrong with the small thinking surrounding the club. How is £3.5M from our closest rival a good offer when we value him closer to the £10M mark???

 

Jess fee irrelevant considering it was 22 years ago when the football world was a completely different place

 

What is the £10M based on though? It's juts a figure plucked out of nowhere.

 

The football world is different now but we've still not come any where in those 22 years of selling a player for anywhere near Jess value. Even as a % against turnover £3.5M is fucking huge for Aberdeen. The club were celebrating £600,000 from DNA money which surely tells you everything you need to know about the difference 3,5M would make.

[boboisared]

Whether we had a stadium to pay for our not, I wouldn't want 100% of the funds going directly to the playing budget.

 

It's a business at the end of the day.

[Betty Swallicks]

 

I'm fairly confident that the chairman would direct transfer funds to the playing budget...it's just how much is the playing budget going to be affected by the things you mention. Surely it's going to have an impact over the next few years.

 

Aye about 10% of any fee.

 

100% it'll have an impact over the next few years (and far more imo), I think we're seeing that already.

[Tord31]

McKenna is our one opportunity to fill a significant chunk of the funds for the stadium.

 

The club are happy to go to the roulette table and gamble that we can hold out for £10m.

[Betty Swallicks]

 

Any examples of players we've had who we didn't get decent money for? Only one I can think of was Ryan Fraser.

 

Any examples of players from lesser clubs that were sold for faaar more than they were worth?

YES.

 

Any examples of us doing that?

N0.

 

In GENERAL we've been shitbags. With training facilities to pay for I fully expect that to continue.

[Betty Swallicks]

McKenna is our one opportunity to fill a significant chunk of the funds for the stadium.

 

The club are happy to go to the roulette table and gamble that we can hold out for £10m.

 

[StandFree1982]

 

Any examples of players from lesser clubs that were sold for faaar more than they were worth?

YES.

 

Any examples of us doing that?

N0.

 

In GENERAL we've been shitbags. With training facilities to pay for I fully expect that to continue.

 

So, in short...you're making stuff up.

[Parklife]

 

What is the £10M based on though? It's juts a figure plucked out of nowhere.

 

 

Southampton paid Celtic £13 million plus a 10% sell-on for VVD.

 

Now, he'd played more in Europe (mostly getting ridden silly) but if we're serious, then that's a decent barometer. So in 10 months time, i think a fee of around £10 million could be pretty realistic.

[Betty Swallicks]

 

So, in short...you're making stuff up.

 

No.

We've been shitbags in GENERAL re transfer fees and we've not sold any players for faaaar more than they are worth like some lesser clubs have.

 

Hard to disagree with that surely but give it a go if you like.

 

[Parklife]

 

What's the issue with that?

[tiktak]

Got to say that as yet I'm not seeing a £10m player in McKenna. Still young and making plenty of mistakes so I just hope he continues to improve or we could end up with nothing. The potential may be there but things don't always work out as thought. Many examples but we did have the future England captain in Josh Walker playing for us. How did that turn out?

That said, I would take that risk and refuse to sell at £3.5m.

[Byrne Baby Byrne]

 

What is the £10M based on though? It's juts a figure plucked out of nowhere.

 

The football world is different now but we've still not come any where in those 22 years of selling a player for anywhere near Jess value. Even as a % against turnover £3.5M is fucking huge for Aberdeen. The club were celebrating £600,000 from DNA money which surely tells you everything you need to know about the difference 3,5M would make.

 

3.5m is good money. but not when the asset is worth at least twice as much

 

id quite like £10,000 at the moment, but i probably wouldnt sell my house for it