Match Thread (International) Scotland vs Israel & Czechs

[WesthillWanderersFC]

15 minutes ago, slippers said:

How was Mckenna? That’s all I really care about. International football ruins weekends! 

Aye, not half.

Fucking torture. 

[slippers]

1 minute ago, Mr Brightside said:

McKenna did alright, his distribution is an area he really needs to work on.
Andy Robertson is one of the best full backs in the world, but it turns out he struggles playing with Jack and Dykes as opposed to Liverpool's forward line and midfield.

Seen a few people on twitter saying he’s a donkey and absolute disgrace I suspected he was just scape goat as normal. 

[Zeus]

Wad thinking when Gallagher scored against Latvia (??) in 97 to qualify for France 98. 

Been shite since 

 

[Mr Brightside]

McKenna did alright, his distribution is an area he really needs to work on.
Andy Robertson is one of the best full backs in the world, but it turns out he struggles playing with Jack and Dykes as opposed to Liverpool's forward line and midfield.

[aberdeen1970]

The campaign when McLeish got us to the play offs was decent. The win in France was superb. 

 

[WesthillWanderersFC]

22 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said:

The campaign when McLeish got us to the play offs was decent. The win in France was superb. 

 

Did Scotland not finish 3rd in that group behind France & Italy? 
I thought the last time Scotland got to the play offs was with Vogts & against The Netherlands? 

[Ten Caat]

McKenna was at fault for their goal along with Mcgregor. Other than that he was ok.

The back 3 worked reasonably well. But Robertson was fucking hopeless in midfield, and Ryhun was totally anonymous. Shoehorning Tierney and Robertson into the same side just didn't work and going forward, if Clarke wants to be taken seriously as an international manager, he has to make a decision now as to which one he wants to play and which one is a bench player. If he wants to stick with 3 at the back then Tierney gets the nod. If he wants a flat back 4 then Robertson plays left back and Tierney has to be a sub...he's just not physically dominant enough to play in a centre back pairing.

If he tries the same formation next month against Israel with them both in the team then I can't see us going through

[daytripping]

Jack is a very weak link, no idea how he got a career as a football player.

[aberdeen1970]

6 minutes ago, WesthillWanderersFC said:

Did Scotland not finish 3rd in that group behind France & Italy? 
I thought the last time Scotland got to the play offs was with Vogts & against The Netherlands? 

Aye you could be right. 

Still enjoyed that campaign up until that cheating bastard Panucci fucked it up. 

[Mr Brightside]

I don't understand why mctominay played centre back when he could have played cooper? this would have allowed mctominay to play midfield ahead of jack- who just doesn't move the ball fast enough or offer any attacking drive. Perhaps fleck could have played in midfield also.

[aberdeen1970]

4 minutes ago, Ten Caat said:

McKenna was at fault for their goal along with Mcgregor. Other than that he was ok.

The back 3 worked reasonably well. But Robertson was fucking hopeless in midfield, and Ryhun was totally anonymous. Shoehorning Tierney and Robertson into the same side just didn't work and going forward, if Clarke wants to be taken seriously as an international manager, he has to make a decision now as to which one he wants to play and which one is a bench player. If he wants to stick with 3 at the back then Tierney gets the nod. If he wants a flat back 4 then Robertson plays left back and Tierney has to be a sub...he's just not physically dominant enough to play in a centre back pairing.

If he tries the same formation next month against Israel with them both in the team then I can't see us going through

Those two aren't the issue though. 

Having no decent right backs or strikers is a far bigger issue. 

[WesthillWanderersFC]

4 minutes ago, aberdeen1970 said:

Aye you could be right. 

Still enjoyed that campaign up until that cheating bastard Panucci fucked it up. 

I’d have thought losing to Georgia away had more to do with it. 

[The Cockney Don]

Czech game off ?

Scotland's Nations League match in the Czech Republic on Monday has been postponed after a Covid-19 outbreak amid the home squad, say the Czech FA.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54036595

[Simply Red]

Im normally pretty measured with my opinions on fitba so I realise this is out there.

Our MCcrorie at CH instead of Tierney would be decent in that Scotland 11 on current form.

Why the fuck Clarke thinks Tierney can play there is mental. I know he played there for arsenal for a couple games last season. How well did he do? Who where they playing? Who was he playing beside/against? How much pressure was he under? Etc ive no idea but hes not an international CH who is required to carry out conventional CH duties and also be comfortable on the ball.

Tierney utilising at CH in ten years time might work. Just now, he’s still a boy. LB totally different position to CH, especially in a mediocre side under pressure.   

[Scotty_Toronto]

2 hours ago, Ten Caat said:

McKenna was at fault for their goal along with Mcgregor. 

Disagree.

McKenna had his man covered.

What was McTominay doing for Israel's goal?

[thurso]

In my view 3 players were crap and unsurprising ones I don’t rate. So start with the bad. 
forest very poor, Jack shit, McGinn don’t get the love in about him. 

Christie ( should be a dandie) mcgregor ( for being a tim) can’t fault him. Rest can’t fault them apart from being average 

[thurso]

14 minutes ago, Scotty_Toronto said:

Disagree.

McKenna had his man covered.

What was McTominay doing for Israel's goal?

Same as jack the rat watching the man run past him and not move

[Scotty_Toronto]

2 minutes ago, thurso said:

Same as jack the rat watching the man run past him and not move

Yep, you can freeze it.

McTominay had no one and watches.

 

[thurso]

1 minute ago, Scotty_Toronto said:

Yep, you can freeze it.

McTominay had no one and watches.

 

Not sure how to put vids up but guy did 1 2 around mckenna jack could of followed but didn’t. Let him run right past to score

[Ohjimmyjimmy]

An utter nonsense we are playing Israel in the first place.

 

Away and fuck off and play your geographic Arab neighbours.

[alscotoz]

Got to the point now where this has to be seen as not a bad result for Scotland.

If I recall Israel used to play in Australian world cup qualifiers (Oceania) many years ago before Australia joined Asian conference. Could be wrong

[Tord31]

If we get awarded 3-0 vs Czech probably be my favourite Scotland game since Paris

[muttonhumper]

 

Canna believe I stayed up (snoozed in bits) to watch that ? ?

That was real bad.

 

 

[True_Don]

Tierney in a back 3 is fine, however McTominay doesn't have the positional sense to play in a back 3...

That formation needs different personel...Jack side pass and slow no good and should never start for Scotland...you need players in midfield that can take on players in that formation and create....Christie is suited to it but no McGregor.

Not convinced by that formation for Scotland. 

 

[strachanmcgheegoal]

Poorest game I’ve seen from McGregor.  He’s suffered from the Tims continuing to accommodate Brown.  Mactominay very poor.  Love to see his payslip next Scotty’s though. The snake was his usual self with a poor defender behind him.  Goal was classic him.

[strachanmcgheegoal]

If we have a right back you’d feel more comfortable with a traditional 4 and tell Tierney and Robertson to sort it out between them.  Neither looked comfortable, Tierney being the better of the two, but more importantly I suspect accommodating both of their egos is going to be a problem.

[Sheepo]

Clarke playing players out of position is the biggest concern, Mctominay and Tierney were poor in a back 3 but one is a central midfielder and one is a left back both totally different positions.Not sure how Jack and McGregor get in the midfield when you have Players like Mclean and Armstrong on the bench and Mctominay at centre half. The rat continually played short backwards and sideways passes and he is very one paced. Shinnie and McCrorie and Ferguson are all much better options than the Rat. The persistence with Forrest is baffling also, I cant remember the last time he had a decent game for anyone

[Mr Brightside]

I think Clarke should borrow Dereks formation. 
Forrest has always disappointed for Scotland- and he is no wing back, could tierney not play on the right? 
Mctominay should be playing in midfield with mcginn. Armstrong with Christie In attacking midfield....And a forward- no idea who that is?

That does mean we need 2 other centre backs to play with McKenna, Cooper? McCrorie? They will probably recall mulgrew

 

[Ten Caat]

8 hours ago, Scotty_Toronto said:

Disagree.

McKenna had his man covered.

What was McTominay doing for Israel's goal?

He definitely didn't. And every single reporter agrees with me...not just the weegia

[aberdeen1970]

Pointing the finger at Robertson and Tierney is missing the point.  I thought Tierney played fine and was one of the better performers. 

We attacked predominantly down their left side as that's where our better players are.  They dealt with it well. 

They attacked down our right side because its our weak spot.  McGinn was pushed right to strengthen that side and we missed his drive and influence in the middle. McGinn and McGregor should play in there, not Ryan Jack. 

James Forrest is not good enough to start for Scotland any more.  Our right side is the problem, not the left.