Round 2: Scottish Independence Referendum

[360]

Will the winning margin for NO be bigger this time around?

[Lencarl]

As a paid up SNP supporter BRING IT ON.

 

This time we will win Independence for Scotland.

[E-P-K]

Can you add undecided to the poll please.

[360]

Added, bud.

[E-P-K]

A messy and hard brexit North of the border may sway people to vote yes, and get back into the EU that way,.

[zander]

Undecided/ can't really be fucked with another one.

[robbojunior]

Will the winning margin for NO be bigger this time around?

 

Quite conceivably.

 

Which is a shame.

[ericblack4boss]

If a yes to independence means we go bvack into the EU I'm voting to stay in UK.

I want out if both uk and EU.

[Lencarl]

Can you add " if Nicola gets her tits out I'll vote yes " to the poll please ?

Not quite the same ....but

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1972123/nicola-sturgeons-husband-appears-to-pinch-her-bum-as-they-joke-around-at-snp-conference/

[spamspamspam]

This thread is a bit premature.

 

Its a bargaining chip.

 

Sturgeon has sent a list of wants to Westminster for the brexit talks. Its get what we want from the EU or face another messy referendum.

[Reed or deed]

Can you add " if Nicola gets her tits out I'll vote yes " to the poll please ?

I'll vote whatever she wants me to vote if she keeps her horrible deflated carrier bags IN her lilac fucking cardigans . Gyad min

[The Oxford Don]

This thread is a bit premature.

 

Its a bargaining chip.

 

Sturgeon has sent a list of wants to Westminster for the brexit talks. Its get what we want from the EU or face another messy referendum.

 

Correct.

 

There's really little more to add at this stage.

[Jonty]

Bargaining chip my arse. Sturgeon and the rest of the SNP got into politics for one reason, to get independence. Fair enough if that's what they want, buts let's not try to pretend it's not and they give a fuck about anything else.

[spamspamspam]

Bargaining chip my arse. Sturgeon and the rest of the SNP got into politics for one reason, to get independence. Fair enough if that's what they want, buts let's not try to pretend it's not and they give a fuck about anything else.

 

All it takes to get you out of hiding is a referendum threat

[Clydeside_Sheep]

Presently, as part of the UK, we get to spend 15 billion more than we can make in taxation*. So, while no country is ever perfect, this helps provide the education system and NHS we enjoy. A rise in oil prices would offset this somewhat, yes, but the North Sea wont last forever. Ineos at Grangemouth is already importing petrochemicals feedstock (Ethane) from the USA, because the North Sea is on the wane and cant satisfy Grangemouth's demands.

 

(*When you remove this "British dividend", Scotland's deficit is over 3 times what the EU classes as "excessive".)

 

1000s of Scottish jobs are directly linked to our status as part of the UK. Warship building on the Clyde and at Rosyth, 1000s of jobs linked to Faslane Naval Base (which is now becoming the sole UK Submarine Base, so the job numbers will likely expand with the base), and 1000s more at the Army and RAF bases. Also, there are other defence contractors too, eg Thales and Raytheon, who get a lot of work for the British Armed Forces and who may relocate following dissolution of the UK.

 

I cant see that Independence would do anything other than reduce our collective quality of life and general standing in the world.

[Jigot]

Presently, as part of the UK, we get to spend 15 billion more than we can make in taxation*. So, while no country is ever perfect, this helps provide the education system and NHS we enjoy. A rise in oil prices would offset this somewhat, yes, but the North Sea wont last forever. Ineos at Grangemouth is already importing petrochemicals feedstock (Ethane) from the USA, because the North Sea is on the wane and cant satisfy Grangemouth's demands.

 

(*When you remove this "British dividend", Scotland's deficit is over 3 times what the EU classes as "excessive".)

 

1000s of Scottish jobs are directly linked to our status as part of the UK. Warship building on the Clyde and at Rosyth, 1000s of jobs linked to Faslane Naval Base (which is now becoming the sole UK Submarine Base, so the job numbers will likely expand with the base), and 1000s more at the Army and RAF bases. Also, there are other defence contractors too, eg Thales and Raytheon, who get a lot of work for the British Armed Forces and who may relocate following dissolution of the UK.

 

I cant see that Independence would do anything other than reduce our collective quality of life and general standing in the world.

So we scurry about the feet of the Tories for titbits forever more and it would be forever more because Labour is goosed, the Lib Dems will never be forgiven and Ukip has been shown up for what it is, full of retarded windae lickers!

I think a lot of companies would move here if it happened, numerous English companies, ironically.

[spamspamspam]

Presently, as part of the UK, we get to spend 15 billion more than we can make in taxation*. So, while no country is ever perfect, this helps provide the education system and NHS we enjoy. A rise in oil prices would offset this somewhat, yes, but the North Sea wont last forever. Ineos at Grangemouth is already importing petrochemicals feedstock (Ethane) from the USA, because the North Sea is on the wane and cant satisfy Grangemouth's demands.

 

(*When you remove this "British dividend", Scotland's deficit is over 3 times what the EU classes as "excessive".)

 

1000s of Scottish jobs are directly linked to our status as part of the UK. Warship building on the Clyde and at Rosyth, 1000s of jobs linked to Faslane Naval Base (which is now becoming the sole UK Submarine Base, so the job numbers will likely expand with the base), and 1000s more at the Army and RAF bases. Also, there are other defence contractors too, eg Thales and Raytheon, who get a lot of work for the British Armed Forces and who may relocate following dissolution of the UK.

 

I cant see that Independence would do anything other than reduce our collective quality of life and general standing in the world.

 

We both know a more rounded view would be;

 

Scotland has paid more in over the last 30 years than its got out. Now when Scotlands economy is struggling its only fair it gets some back. If you take the £4bln+ that services UK debt off the deficit that would be a more accurate figure of where Scotland is now. The economic case isn't a great one if you just look at this year and last, its a lot better if you look at the last 10 or 20.

 

Hundreds of thousands of jobs rely on the EU in Scotland, 300'000+ according to the CBR.

The EU comes right after England for Scottish exports. A bit behind it but it still makes up almost half of our international exports.

Billions are earmarked for Scotland from the EU between now and 2020. Getting that from the UK is debatable if we leave the EU with the UK. Not getting that from the EU if we leave is not debatable.

 

We're stuck between a rock and a hard place. Staying with the UK and leaving the EU will impact our quality of life and our economic growth. Leaving the UK and aligning with the EU will leave us with a large debt which would and impact our quality of life and growth.

 

Its nowhere near as black and white as its was in the last referendum. If there is another referendum the choice will be a much harder one if you're going to base it on economics and forecasts.

[CraigHill]

The past is the past.

Where will Scotland find more in than it pays out in the future?

 

It's the next generation that will handle the fallout were we to split from the UK.

My vote (if it ever goes ahead) will be based upon what's best for my daughter; without considering what Scotland's finances have been previously; ignoring any chest beating nationalism;

and; discarding political history / preference (not that I am arsed with having one).

 

This absolutely has to be forward looking for us all, voting with a grudge or from a past belief is naive in the extreme.

 

I guess if we are in the EU and things are fucking Greece like terrible in our once great land, she can leave it to seek prosperity elsewhere within the EU without difficulty.

[tup]

It makes not a blind but of difference to me whether we are independent or not.

 

Same as if we are in the EU or not. I dont give a shit.

 

I will pay the full rate of income tax and national insurance regardless so any decisions made are irrelevant to me.

 

Politicians are bracketed with bankers as the least trustworthy members of society.

[spamspamspam]

Might be worth just merging all the referendum threats and creating one titles never ending referendums

[Guest milne_afc]

Might be worth just merging all the referendum threats and creating one titles never ending referendums

A perfect example of the Freudian slip.

[Lencarl]

Folk on Twitter saying that Nicola Sturgeon does not speak for Scotland....... Wrong....... yes she does.

[Bluto10]

It makes not a blind but of difference to me whether we are independent or not.

Same as if we are in the EU or not. I dont give a shit.

I will pay the full rate of income tax and national insurance regardless so any decisions made are irrelevant to me.

Politicians are bracketed with bankers as the least trustworthy members of society.

My thoughts exactly.

 

VDAs says Scotland got "shafted" cause the UK voted to leave the EU.

 

Does he then believe that the SNP would have fulfilled all of their ref promises if they had won?

You have to conclude that he does.

 

This is where politics falls down for me.

Naive folk like him may have dreams but I'm Nae a stupid cunt like him

[tup]

I believe that at least 50% of society are in hock to the taxpayer, and these are the folk concerned about politics.

 

Scroungers, sucking on the government pap. That includes every local authority employee in the UK.

[spamspamspam]

I believe that at least 50% of society are in hock to the taxpayer, and these are the folk concerned about politics.

 

Scroungers, sucking on the government pap. That includes every local authority employee in the UK.

 

Try 100%

Even you.

The tax you pay isn't enough to cover all the services you use and have at your disposal.

 

Does that make you a scrounger as well?

[spamspamspam]

My thoughts exactly.

 

VDAs says Scotland got "shafted" cause the UK voted to leave the EU.

 

Does he then believe that the SNP would have fulfilled all of their ref promises if they had won?

You have to conclude that he does.

 

This is where politics falls down for me.

Naive folk like him may have dreams but I'm Nae a stupid cunt like him

 

Of course they wouldn't.

They have form as well. Promised to cancel student loan debt, they didn't.

[tup]

 

Try 100%

Even you.

The tax you pay isn't enough to cover all the services you use and have at your disposal.

 

Does that make you a scrounger as well?

 

I don't believe that rubbish.

 

I have never had a handout in my life, have used a hospital once, and went to school like everyone else.

 

I put in much more than I take out. Don't give me your bullshit political chat.

[BWG]

Yes. I don't see how people can vote any other way considering how many lies have been exposed post-no vote.

[E-P-K]

 

I don't believe that rubbish.

 

I have never had a handout in my life, have used a hospital once, and went to school like everyone else.

 

I put in much more than I take out. Don't give me your bullshit political chat.

 

 

You have 2 kids, were you not present at one of their births ?

[Guest milne_afc]

 

I don't believe that rubbish.

 

I have never had a handout in my life, have used a hospital once, and went to school like everyone else.

 

I put in much more than I take out. Don't give me your bullshit political chat.

You obviously never took advantage of the education system, but that's probably the fault of your parent(s) tbf(to be fair).