Heathrow Airport Expansion

[TheChimp]

Greenpeace buys up plot of land

 

Now I know that this is hardly relevent to matter in Aberdeen and Scotland, but I see that those cheeky eco-hippies have bought up a plot of land slap bang in the middle of the proposed development.

 

Should this plan get the go ahead? Will it help the development of London and to a lesser extent the UK in general? Build the airport elsewhere (Thames Gateway) if at all?

 

Personally, I just want to see a bulldozer roll in wiping out hordes of hippies in the process.

[SuperHans]

Daily Mash says it better than anyone else could...again.

[Slim]

I'm mostly in favour of it, but this bit has swayed me a little: "They have said plans to increase flights at the airport from 480,000 to 720,000 would create unacceptable noise and pollution."

 

The main problem with Heathrow is that it's bursting at the seams and building a 3rd runway and additional terminal should help lift the pressure a bit but by increasing the number of flights so dramatically, all they'll do is take the existing problem and increase the scale of it which means spending even more time circling over north west London.

[Original A1]

Daily Mash says it better than anyone else could...again.

 

She looks like Hilary Clinton in that pic! Come to think of it, have you ever seen the two in the same room together?

 

[Terrorfex]

Am I the only person who thinks that the protestors do not understand that their purchase is nothing more than a protest? Two words - Pre-eminent Domain. If the runway gets the go-ahead, Greenpeace won't be owning anything.

 

If you could really stop massive infrastructure projects with "tiny" plots of land everyone would be at it. You can't because one of the oldest powers of government is the right to buy land irrespective of the owner's wishes.

[davieb]

I don't think this will ever get going. It will be tied up in the courts for years.

 

Personally, I'm against it. I can't see the point of lumping all your investment into one overcrowded centralise hub in the south of England, where the reasons for its development are dubious to say the least. That and the fact that it makes a mockery of the governments so called Global Warming and CO2 reductions projects.

[davieb]

Am I the only person who thinks that the protestors do not understand that their purchase is nothing more than a protest? Two words - Pre-eminent Domain. If the runway gets the go-ahead, Greenpeace won't be owning anything.

 

If you could really stop massive infrastructure projects with "tiny" plots of land everyone would be at it. You can't because one of the oldest powers of government is the right to buy land irrespective of the owner's wishes.

 

 

I think the idea is to tie it up in the courts for years with the hope of a change of govenment or new environmental legislation stoping such developments.

[Terrorfex]

I think the idea is to tie it up in the courts for years with the hope of a change of govenment or new environmental legislation stoping such developments.

 

 

Doesn't really work like that though. Pre-eminent Domain has never to my knowledge been successfully challenged in the courts. I suppose you could appeal, maybe but I think you'd only manage a short-term delay and even then the appeal can only be lodged by the land owner. Would need to consult the law a little better.

 

 

EDIT - A quick browse through Wikipedia :

 

 

In England and Wales, and other jurisdictions that follow the principles of English law, the related term compulsory purchase is used. The landowner is compensated with a price agreed or stipulated by an appropriate person. Where agreement on price cannot be achieved, the value of the taken land is determined by the Lands Tribunal, a court consisting of one barrister and two chartered surveyors. The operative law is a patchwork of statutes and case law. The principal Acts are the Lands Clauses Consolidation Act 1845, the Land Compensation Act 1961, the Compulsory Purchase Act 1965, the Land Compensation Act 1973, part IX of the Town and Country Planning Act 1990, the Planning and Compensation Act 1991, and the Planning and Compulsory Purchase Act 2004.

 

In many European nations, the European Convention on Human Rights provides protection from appropriation of private property by the state. Article 8 of the Convention provides that "Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life, his home and his correspondence" and prohibits interference with this right by the state, unless the interference is in accordance with law and necessary in the interests of national security, public safety, economic well-being of the country, prevention of disorder or crime, protection of health or morals, or protection of the rights and freedoms of others.

 

That of course doesn't offer much protection because "Economic/Public Good" are one and the same currently and of course, they bought the land as a deliberate act of interference, not because they wanted the land for any actual function.

[ninja-lewis]

Doesn't really work like that though. Pre-eminent Domain has never to my knowledge been successfully challenged in the courts. I suppose you could appeal, maybe but I think you'd only manage a short-term delay and even then the appeal can only be lodged by the land owner. Would need to consult the law a little better.

Isn't the idea that the land is split up and small plots are owned by hundreds of the people? If HMG wishes to buy it, they'd have to track down each landowner and take them to court to get the order individually thus bogging the process down.

[E-P-K]

I never realised the grand scale of destruction this new runway is forecast to cause.

 

2 villages , 700+ homes , police station , churchs , hopsital and a grave site all to be bull dozed to make way for the runway.

[davieb]

Isn't the idea that the land is split up and small plots are owned by hundreds of the people? If HMG wishes to buy it, they'd have to track down each landowner and take them to court to get the order individually thus bogging the process down.

 

That was my thinking, no matter what the law says, there is a due process that they have to follow and that will take years and a lot of money

[Henry]

I see the third runway has been given approval

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37760187

[Bluto10]

I see the third runway has been given approval

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37760187

No doubt the Nats will moan about this blah blah blah

[vanderark14]

great news, only 35 minutes from my hoose

 

fuck you bluto

[Henry]

No doubt the Nats will moan about this blah blah blah

 

Think the SNP backed it actually Mr Toad

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/10/heathrow-third-runway-looks-more-likely-after-snp-backing/

[Bluto10]

Think the SNP backed it actually Mr Toad

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/10/heathrow-third-runway-looks-more-likely-after-snp-backing/

Surprised they didn't want it at Turnhouse.

[dave_min]

great news, only 35 minutes from my hoose

 

fuck you bluto

And thanks to Nicola and the SNP, you'll get cheaper flights between Heathrow and Scotland.

[dave_min]

Do you actually believe that?

I fully expect our good friends at British Airways to pass on every penny.

[Robbie Winters]

Will I still be able to see the picturesque Hounslow Mosque when flying into the new 3rd runway ?

[caledonia]

And thanks to Nicola and the SNP, you'll get cheaper flights between Heathrow and Scotland.

 

 

Do you actually believe that?

 

Will be cheaper Scotland to Heathrow with APD now being devolved afaik

[BWG]

English please

 

I believe the theory is that the passenger duty tax will be reformed and result in cheaper flights. Not holding my breath on that one considering we were also promised a reduction in train fares after the Dutch took over ScotFail and the service is now somehow fucking worse than it was under First. Should've nationalised the fucking thing.

[alscotoz]

Will I still be able to see the picturesque Hounslow Mosque when flying into the new 3rd runway ?

 

Better hope you're not flying into the PH mosque.

 

Regardless, flying into the new 3rd runway will probably still end in tears.

[dave_min]

I believe the theory is that the passenger duty tax will be reformed and result in cheaper flights. Not holding my breath on that one considering we were also promised a reduction in train fares after the Dutch took over ScotFail and the service is now somehow fucking worse than it was under First. Should've nationalised the fucking thing.

When Heathrow asked Nicola to support expansion, one of the concessions they offered was a £10 reduction in fees for flights between Scotland and Heathrow.

 

I discount they'll definitely be passed onto the consumer....

 

Devolution of APD won't happen.